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]]> By: Kamran http://bahairants.com/ahmadinejad-asked-about-bahais-in-iran-401.html#comment-36633 Kamran Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:03:11 +0000 http://bahairants.com/ahmadinejad-asked-about-bahais-in-iran-401.html#comment-36633 Investigate the truth independently. and civility is always a plus :) Investigate the truth independently.

and civility is always a plus :)

]]> By: Peyamb http://bahairants.com/ahmadinejad-asked-about-bahais-in-iran-401.html#comment-35455 Peyamb Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:11:38 +0000 http://bahairants.com/ahmadinejad-asked-about-bahais-in-iran-401.html#comment-35455 That's interesting Frits. What's funny is how up in arms Bahais get when you even suggest that maybe the Guardian and/or Ruhiyyeh Khanum had homosexual feelings. I'm not even saying that they acted on those feelings, but to suggest that they were human beings, and maybe just maybe had those feelings is insulting to some. It only shows me how backwards some Bahais are towards accepting gays and lesbians. That’s interesting Frits. What’s funny is how up in arms Bahais get when you even suggest that maybe the Guardian and/or Ruhiyyeh Khanum had homosexual feelings. I’m not even saying that they acted on those feelings, but to suggest that they were human beings, and maybe just maybe had those feelings is insulting to some. It only shows me how backwards some Bahais are towards accepting gays and lesbians.

]]> By: Fritz Gormann http://bahairants.com/ahmadinejad-asked-about-bahais-in-iran-401.html#comment-35451 Fritz Gormann Fri, 19 Oct 2007 16:14:41 +0000 http://bahairants.com/ahmadinejad-asked-about-bahais-in-iran-401.html#comment-35451 I'm at the stage where the members of the Baha'i Faith drive me crazy with the holy, holy, holyer then everyone else. And the AO is off the wall heading for the vatican style religion. I know what you are saying Marty Fritz I’m at the stage where the members of the Baha’i Faith drive me crazy with the holy, holy, holyer then everyone else.

And the AO is off the wall heading for the vatican style religion.

I know what you are saying Marty

Fritz

]]> By: Fritz Gormann http://bahairants.com/ahmadinejad-asked-about-bahais-in-iran-401.html#comment-35449 Fritz Gormann Fri, 19 Oct 2007 16:02:31 +0000 http://bahairants.com/ahmadinejad-asked-about-bahais-in-iran-401.html#comment-35449 I met and worked with Ruhiyyeh Khnum and was with her for a long oeriod of time, she defended Gay people and why not she was against back biting and the lowering of anyones personal dignaty She had only female friends all her life. Fritz I met and worked with Ruhiyyeh Khnum and was with her for a long oeriod of time, she defended Gay people and why not she was against back biting and the lowering of anyones personal dignaty

She had only female friends all her life.

Fritz

]]> By: Marty http://bahairants.com/ahmadinejad-asked-about-bahais-in-iran-401.html#comment-35399 Marty Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:23:40 +0000 http://bahairants.com/ahmadinejad-asked-about-bahais-in-iran-401.html#comment-35399 I guess your critics don't get that this blog is called "Baha'i RANTS" - with the emphasis on the ranting part. I was a Baha'i twice in my life - drawn by the beautiful teachings that wove a beautiful tapestry out of a confused mass of dogmas and legalism that were the distorted packaging of the followers of a former great religion. In both cases - the early demise of the spiritual part of the faith into the administrative (read legalistic) part drove me away. Hatred or condemnation of anyone has never been endorsed by the founder of any true religion. It unfortunately breeds among those who seek to control rather than consort. I love the Baha'i Faith - it's the people in it that drive me crazy!!!! I guess your critics don’t get that this blog is called “Baha’i RANTS” - with the emphasis on the ranting part.

I was a Baha’i twice in my life - drawn by the beautiful teachings that wove a beautiful tapestry out of a confused mass of dogmas and legalism that were the distorted packaging of the followers of a former great religion. In both cases - the early demise of the spiritual part of the faith into the administrative (read legalistic) part drove me away.

Hatred or condemnation of anyone has never been endorsed by the founder of any true religion. It unfortunately breeds among those who seek to control rather than consort.

I love the Baha’i Faith - it’s the people in it that drive me crazy!!!!

]]> By: peyamb http://bahairants.com/ahmadinejad-asked-about-bahais-in-iran-401.html#comment-35309 peyamb Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:21:37 +0000 http://bahairants.com/ahmadinejad-asked-about-bahais-in-iran-401.html#comment-35309 Hey Samperio, just because somebody is defending gays and lesbians doesn't mean that they are gay. I have straight friends who fight harder for gay rights than I do- and I'm gay. There is even this ex-Bahai youth on youtube who is debating the bahai stance on homosexuality, and he's straight! Usually it's the opposite- those who are always so afraid of welcoming gays into the community are the ones who harbor any "homosexuality" - so is that case? Hey Samperio, just because somebody is defending gays and lesbians doesn’t mean that they are gay. I have straight friends who fight harder for gay rights than I do- and I’m gay. There is even this ex-Bahai youth on youtube who is debating the bahai stance on homosexuality, and he’s straight!
Usually it’s the opposite- those who are always so afraid of welcoming gays into the community are the ones who harbor any “homosexuality” - so is that case?

]]> By: Baquia http://bahairants.com/ahmadinejad-asked-about-bahais-in-iran-401.html#comment-35299 Baquia Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:32:26 +0000 http://bahairants.com/ahmadinejad-asked-about-bahais-in-iran-401.html#comment-35299 Sampiero, Rest assured, I do not think of you as my enemy. You are correct, Baha'u'llah didn't say that men were allowed to have sex with other men. He also didn't say anything about eating chocolate, mountain climbing, pruning a juniper tree, nor did he say that we were allowed to play leapfrog. Yet I know a lot of Baha'is who have done all of those things. Homosexuality isn't about "indulging in lust" - it is the way some were made by their Creator. You say: "it is up to you to practice His law or not, with dire consequences for your soul." Again I ask you, what law are you referring to? The only thing you've given me related to homosexuality in the Writings is from a letter by Shoghi Effendi to an individual. We know from the W&T of the Master that the Guardian can not legislate, only interpret. Baha'u'llah didn't reveal a law re homosexuality. If I'm wrong, please cite it. Nor has the UHJ legislated a Baha'i law related to homosexuality. By insisting that Shoghi Effendi's words are Baha'i law you are subverting the roles of both the House and the insititute of Guardianship as laid out by Abdu'l-Baha. Sampiero, Rest assured, I do not think of you as my enemy. You are correct, Baha’u'llah didn’t say that men were allowed to have sex with other men. He also didn’t say anything about eating chocolate, mountain climbing, pruning a juniper tree, nor did he say that we were allowed to play leapfrog. Yet I know a lot of Baha’is who have done all of those things.

Homosexuality isn’t about “indulging in lust” - it is the way some were made by their Creator.

You say: “it is up to you to practice His law or not, with dire consequences for your soul.”

Again I ask you, what law are you referring to? The only thing you’ve given me related to homosexuality in the Writings is from a letter by Shoghi Effendi to an individual. We know from the W&T of the Master that the Guardian can not legislate, only interpret. Baha’u'llah didn’t reveal a law re homosexuality. If I’m wrong, please cite it. Nor has the UHJ legislated a Baha’i law related to homosexuality.

By insisting that Shoghi Effendi’s words are Baha’i law you are subverting the roles of both the House and the insititute of Guardianship as laid out by Abdu’l-Baha.

]]> By: peyamb http://bahairants.com/ahmadinejad-asked-about-bahais-in-iran-401.html#comment-35298 peyamb Tue, 16 Oct 2007 20:06:54 +0000 http://bahairants.com/ahmadinejad-asked-about-bahais-in-iran-401.html#comment-35298 Oh and Samperio, in case you are too lazy to keep reading on in the Will & Testament, here is what Abdul Baha says about future Guardians. Show me where he says anything about the first Guardian being the imaginary head of the UHJ and using his letters to individuals as interpretive guidance for the rest of Bahai history? ----------- O ye beloved of the Lord! It is incumbent upon the guardian of the Cause of God to appoint in his own life-time him that shall become his successor, that differences may not arise after his passing. He that is appointed must manifest in himself detachment from all wordly things, must be the essence of purity, must show in himself the fear of God, knowledge, wisdom and learning. Thus, should the first-born of the guardian of the Cause of God not manifest in himself the truth of the words: -- "The child is the secret essence of its sire," that is, should he not inherit of the spiritual within him (the guardian of the Cause of God) and his glorious lineage not be matched with a goodly character, then must he, (the guardian of the Cause of God) choose another branch to succeed him. Oh and Samperio, in case you are too lazy to keep reading on in the Will & Testament, here is what Abdul Baha says about future Guardians. Show me where he says anything about the first Guardian being the imaginary head of the UHJ and using his letters to individuals as interpretive guidance for the rest of Bahai history?
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O ye beloved of the Lord! It is incumbent upon the guardian of the Cause of God to appoint in his own life-time him that shall become his successor, that differences may not arise after his passing. He that is appointed must manifest in himself detachment from all wordly things, must be the essence of purity, must show in himself the fear of God, knowledge, wisdom and learning. Thus, should the first-born of the guardian of the Cause of God not manifest in himself the truth of the words: — “The child is the secret essence of its sire,” that is, should he not inherit of the spiritual within him (the guardian of the Cause of God) and his glorious lineage not be matched with a goodly character, then must he, (the guardian of the Cause of God) choose another branch to succeed him.

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