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	<title>Comments on: Can a Woah-man! Serve on the UHJ?</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/can-a-woah-man-serve-on-the-uhj-562.html/comment-page-4#comment-83427</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-15/passport-gender-choice-made-easier/2899928&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;developments from Australia&lt;/a&gt;:

&quot;The changes mean Australians can identify their sex of choice and select
 Male, Female or X. The &#039;X&#039; choice is available to intersex Australians.&quot;

So legally there is no longer a binary distinction when it comes to gender in Australia. This is exactly the point made above which in turn renders the whole issue of male/female permitted/restricted membership moot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-15/passport-gender-choice-made-easier/2899928" rel="nofollow">developments from Australia</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;The changes mean Australians can identify their sex of choice and select<br />
 Male, Female or X. The &#8216;X&#8217; choice is available to intersex Australians.&#8221;</p>
<p>So legally there is no longer a binary distinction when it comes to gender in Australia. This is exactly the point made above which in turn renders the whole issue of male/female permitted/restricted membership moot.</p>
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		<title>By: sonjavank</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonjavank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 13:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks B,
I agree, I found Stephen&#039;s essay on their website easier to read.

I assume he wrote it, although the website gives the impression that this essay is some sort of offical document.
Perhaps is it for this group calling themselves the &quot;offical U.H.J.&quot;, and because of this indirectness or lack of clarity, it has made me suspicious.

Many of the arguments about &#039;rigal&#039; and the service of women are stated in this 1988 paper, 
http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/docs/vol3/wmnuhj.htm
which sticks to reliable sources (some of Stephen&#039;s references are not, of course I&#039;m not suggesting that makes the argument wrong, just that I would like it if I was directed to a paper that did stick to only using sources that were certainly what Baha&#039;u&#039;llah or &#039;Abdul-Baha expressed).

However the essay is also filled with the author&#039;s interpretations about Shoghi Effendi&#039;s motives and then 3/4 of the way through this essay is a reference to a true or appointed U.J.H. made in 1991 and then I realised that the point of the essay was not to discuss the issue of the membership of women on the U.H.J., but is promotion for a splinter group which have  their own committee calling themselves the &#039;official U.H.J.&#039;.
Now I thought, why write such a very long essay, full of various arguments, some good, some I would research before I would dismiss, except as an exercise in deception.

Not a very good way to promote the idea of equality in my view.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks B,<br />
I agree, I found Stephen&#8217;s essay on their website easier to read.</p>
<p>I assume he wrote it, although the website gives the impression that this essay is some sort of offical document.<br />
Perhaps is it for this group calling themselves the &#8220;offical U.H.J.&#8221;, and because of this indirectness or lack of clarity, it has made me suspicious.</p>
<p>Many of the arguments about &#8216;rigal&#8217; and the service of women are stated in this 1988 paper,<br />
<a href="http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/docs/vol3/wmnuhj.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.h-net.org/~bahai/docs/vol3/wmnuhj.htm</a><br />
which sticks to reliable sources (some of Stephen&#8217;s references are not, of course I&#8217;m not suggesting that makes the argument wrong, just that I would like it if I was directed to a paper that did stick to only using sources that were certainly what Baha&#8217;u'llah or &#8216;Abdul-Baha expressed).</p>
<p>However the essay is also filled with the author&#8217;s interpretations about Shoghi Effendi&#8217;s motives and then 3/4 of the way through this essay is a reference to a true or appointed U.J.H. made in 1991 and then I realised that the point of the essay was not to discuss the issue of the membership of women on the U.H.J., but is promotion for a splinter group which have  their own committee calling themselves the &#8216;official U.H.J.&#8217;.<br />
Now I thought, why write such a very long essay, full of various arguments, some good, some I would research before I would dismiss, except as an exercise in deception.</p>
<p>Not a very good way to promote the idea of equality in my view.</p>
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		<title>By: Baquia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baquia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 05:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen, Welcome to the internets: please don&#039;t cut/paste long text when you can just submit a link that contains that text. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, Welcome to the internets: please don&#8217;t cut/paste long text when you can just submit a link that contains that text.</p>
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		<title>By: Universal House of Justice: Results of By-Election &#124; Baha'i Rants</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/can-a-woah-man-serve-on-the-uhj-562.html/comment-page-4#comment-69486</link>
		<dc:creator>Universal House of Justice: Results of By-Election &#124; Baha'i Rants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 04:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] essence, there is a closed loop with the UHJ appointing its future candidates (of couse, only the male members of the ITC are qualified for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: rhapsodist</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhapsodist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2010 01:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey John, I&#039;d like to talk to you. I&#039;m pioneering in Russia right now, and expect to be here for about 4-5 years. For a long time I disassociated myself with Baha&#039;i life and it was only following the conferences a year ago that I strove to live a life increasingly more in line with the qualities edified in the Writings, and it was at that time I arose to serve the Cause. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That you visit with the native americans fascinates me. I&#039;ve always been attracted to the culture, the spiritual philosophy, and the history. And it would be lovely to discuss and share experiences with eachother. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My email is &lt;a href=&quot;mailto:rhapsodistnine@gmail.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rhapsodistnine@gmail.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey John, I&#39;d like to talk to you. I&#39;m pioneering in Russia right now, and expect to be here for about 4-5 years. For a long time I disassociated myself with Baha&#39;i life and it was only following the conferences a year ago that I strove to live a life increasingly more in line with the qualities edified in the Writings, and it was at that time I arose to serve the Cause. </p>
<p>That you visit with the native americans fascinates me. I&#39;ve always been attracted to the culture, the spiritual philosophy, and the history. And it would be lovely to discuss and share experiences with eachother. </p>
<p>My email is <a href="mailto:rhapsodistnine@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">rhapsodistnine@gmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Baquia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baquia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article about a recent brouhaha in the sporting arena. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1918668,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Is a Female Track Star a Man?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article about a recent brouhaha in the sporting arena. <a href="http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1918668,00.html" rel="nofollow">Is a Female Track Star a Man?</a></p>
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		<title>By: Baquia</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/can-a-woah-man-serve-on-the-uhj-562.html/comment-page-4#comment-68206</link>
		<dc:creator>Baquia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 05:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article about a recent brouhaha in the sporting arena. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1918668,00.html &quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&gt;Is a Female Track Star a Man?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article about a recent brouhaha in the sporting arena. <a href="http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1918668,00.html " rel="nofollow">&gt;Is a Female Track Star a Man?</a></p>
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		<title>By: farhan</title>
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		<dc:creator>farhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baquia, after the controversy about the gender of the SA athlete, Caster Semenya, I wondered if you feel that we should do away with gender in sports as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baquia, after the controversy about the gender of the SA athlete, Caster Semenya, I wondered if you feel that we should do away with gender in sports as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Parke</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/can-a-woah-man-serve-on-the-uhj-562.html/comment-page-4#comment-68154</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Parke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 02:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good luck on your path!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good luck on your path!</p>
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