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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/confirmation-maxwell-international-to-close-376.html/comment-page-1#comment-42884</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ref: &quot;Hearings from the Baha&#039;is,&quot; Francis Maconisikola.</description>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/confirmation-maxwell-international-to-close-376.html/comment-page-1#comment-42883</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of those posting here are wondering why the Fund levels have declined to the point where peojects like the Maxwell School must be abandoned.

I point out here, as I have done elsewhere, that in all religious organizations, the rank and file vote with their wallets.  If funds are in decline, it follows that so too are retention/attendance levels and enrolment levels.  It&#039;s because the rank and file aren&#039;t buying the message and direction of the leadership. At its basest level, the believers simply won&#039;t pay for something they don&#039;t trust.

If the leadership is paying attention and is honest, they will start to ask why enrolment is down, contributions are down, and attendance is down.  

Been to a Baha&#039;i event lately?  Where is the rapture?  The awe? Gone.  All gone. Buried underneath an adminstrative landslide that has turned the believers into unpaid statisticians and ciphers.  

This Faith, which had such a gentle and intuitive culture in the 70s and earlier, has become a left-brain, counter-inuitive tangle of uninspiring administrative threads.

Woe...woe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of those posting here are wondering why the Fund levels have declined to the point where peojects like the Maxwell School must be abandoned.</p>
<p>I point out here, as I have done elsewhere, that in all religious organizations, the rank and file vote with their wallets.  If funds are in decline, it follows that so too are retention/attendance levels and enrolment levels.  It&#8217;s because the rank and file aren&#8217;t buying the message and direction of the leadership. At its basest level, the believers simply won&#8217;t pay for something they don&#8217;t trust.</p>
<p>If the leadership is paying attention and is honest, they will start to ask why enrolment is down, contributions are down, and attendance is down.  </p>
<p>Been to a Baha&#8217;i event lately?  Where is the rapture?  The awe? Gone.  All gone. Buried underneath an adminstrative landslide that has turned the believers into unpaid statisticians and ciphers.  </p>
<p>This Faith, which had such a gentle and intuitive culture in the 70s and earlier, has become a left-brain, counter-inuitive tangle of uninspiring administrative threads.</p>
<p>Woe&#8230;woe.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/confirmation-maxwell-international-to-close-376.html/comment-page-1#comment-77945</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of those posting here are wondering why the Fund levels have declined to the point where peojects like the Maxwell School must be abandoned.

I point out here, as I have done elsewhere, that in all religious organizations, the rank and file vote with their wallets.  If funds are in decline, it follows that so too are retention/attendance levels and enrolment levels.  It&#039;s because the rank and file aren&#039;t buying the message and direction of the leadership. At its basest level, the believers simply won&#039;t pay for something they don&#039;t trust.

If the leadership is paying attention and is honest, they will start to ask why enrolment is down, contributions are down, and attendance is down.  

Been to a Baha&#039;i event lately?  Where is the rapture?  The awe? Gone.  All gone. Buried underneath an adminstrative landslide that has turned the believers into unpaid statisticians and ciphers.  

This Faith, which had such a gentle and intuitive culture in the 70s and earlier, has become a left-brain, counter-inuitive tangle of uninspiring administrative threads.

Woe...woe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of those posting here are wondering why the Fund levels have declined to the point where peojects like the Maxwell School must be abandoned.</p>
<p>I point out here, as I have done elsewhere, that in all religious organizations, the rank and file vote with their wallets.  If funds are in decline, it follows that so too are retention/attendance levels and enrolment levels.  It&#8217;s because the rank and file aren&#8217;t buying the message and direction of the leadership. At its basest level, the believers simply won&#8217;t pay for something they don&#8217;t trust.</p>
<p>If the leadership is paying attention and is honest, they will start to ask why enrolment is down, contributions are down, and attendance is down.  </p>
<p>Been to a Baha&#8217;i event lately?  Where is the rapture?  The awe? Gone.  All gone. Buried underneath an adminstrative landslide that has turned the believers into unpaid statisticians and ciphers.  </p>
<p>This Faith, which had such a gentle and intuitive culture in the 70s and earlier, has become a left-brain, counter-inuitive tangle of uninspiring administrative threads.</p>
<p>Woe&#8230;woe.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/confirmation-maxwell-international-to-close-376.html/comment-page-1#comment-77946</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ref: &quot;Hearings from the Baha&#039;is,&quot; Francis Maconisikola.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ref: &#8220;Hearings from the Baha&#8217;is,&#8221; Francis Maconisikola.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/confirmation-maxwell-international-to-close-376.html/comment-page-1#comment-42853</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the source for the quotation from Tahirih? It&#039;s interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the source for the quotation from Tahirih? It&#8217;s interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/confirmation-maxwell-international-to-close-376.html/comment-page-1#comment-77944</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the source for the quotation from Tahirih? It&#039;s interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the source for the quotation from Tahirih? It&#8217;s interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Winters</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/confirmation-maxwell-international-to-close-376.html/comment-page-1#comment-41967</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Winters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why is the fund persistently low? Are the resources of the Faith being managed as best as they can be? What, if any, is the silent message that the Baha’i community as a group may be sending the administration by reducing their donations?&quot;

Lack of leadership of the right kind is to blame here, I suspect. With no clergy leadership is up to administrators (who rarely inspire) and ad hoc members who emerge at random from time to time.

As to spending -- we have discussed the $$ spent of marble and so on. Its a putting the cart before the horse activity, I think. 

The message is &quot;we are starting not to care.&quot; We don&#039;t care about world domination or world conversion or entry by troops or any other Quixotic goal . People are in need of spiritual growth and community. The new age movement, which seems to have supplanted the drug culture in some towns and villages is evidence of that. 

If the faith can figure out how to do a better job feeding the spiritual needs of people and communities maybe the fund will become healthy again. But Ruhi and entry by troops will not do it. 

Peace,
Frank</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why is the fund persistently low? Are the resources of the Faith being managed as best as they can be? What, if any, is the silent message that the Baha’i community as a group may be sending the administration by reducing their donations?&#8221;</p>
<p>Lack of leadership of the right kind is to blame here, I suspect. With no clergy leadership is up to administrators (who rarely inspire) and ad hoc members who emerge at random from time to time.</p>
<p>As to spending &#8212; we have discussed the $$ spent of marble and so on. Its a putting the cart before the horse activity, I think. </p>
<p>The message is &#8220;we are starting not to care.&#8221; We don&#8217;t care about world domination or world conversion or entry by troops or any other Quixotic goal . People are in need of spiritual growth and community. The new age movement, which seems to have supplanted the drug culture in some towns and villages is evidence of that. </p>
<p>If the faith can figure out how to do a better job feeding the spiritual needs of people and communities maybe the fund will become healthy again. But Ruhi and entry by troops will not do it. </p>
<p>Peace,<br />
Frank</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Winters</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/confirmation-maxwell-international-to-close-376.html/comment-page-1#comment-77943</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Winters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why is the fund persistently low? Are the resources of the Faith being managed as best as they can be? What, if any, is the silent message that the Baha’i community as a group may be sending the administration by reducing their donations?&quot;

Lack of leadership of the right kind is to blame here, I suspect. With no clergy leadership is up to administrators (who rarely inspire) and ad hoc members who emerge at random from time to time.

As to spending -- we have discussed the $$ spent of marble and so on. Its a putting the cart before the horse activity, I think. 

The message is &quot;we are starting not to care.&quot; We don&#039;t care about world domination or world conversion or entry by troops or any other Quixotic goal . People are in need of spiritual growth and community. The new age movement, which seems to have supplanted the drug culture in some towns and villages is evidence of that. 

If the faith can figure out how to do a better job feeding the spiritual needs of people and communities maybe the fund will become healthy again. But Ruhi and entry by troops will not do it. 

Peace,
Frank</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why is the fund persistently low? Are the resources of the Faith being managed as best as they can be? What, if any, is the silent message that the Baha’i community as a group may be sending the administration by reducing their donations?&#8221;</p>
<p>Lack of leadership of the right kind is to blame here, I suspect. With no clergy leadership is up to administrators (who rarely inspire) and ad hoc members who emerge at random from time to time.</p>
<p>As to spending &#8212; we have discussed the $$ spent of marble and so on. Its a putting the cart before the horse activity, I think. </p>
<p>The message is &#8220;we are starting not to care.&#8221; We don&#8217;t care about world domination or world conversion or entry by troops or any other Quixotic goal . People are in need of spiritual growth and community. The new age movement, which seems to have supplanted the drug culture in some towns and villages is evidence of that. </p>
<p>If the faith can figure out how to do a better job feeding the spiritual needs of people and communities maybe the fund will become healthy again. But Ruhi and entry by troops will not do it. </p>
<p>Peace,<br />
Frank</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mavaddat wrote: &quot;Bahá’í are not able to do this, because their ideas of fundamentally dogmatic and largely idealistic.&quot;

Maybe you meant: &quot;Bahá’í are not able to do this, because their ideas *are* fundamentally dogmatic and largely idealistic.&quot; In which case I would completely agree. Your assessment is entirely accurate.

Bahá&#039;u&#039;lláh (unlike Ibn &#039;Arabi or Táhirih Qurratu&#039;l-&#039;Ayn) legislated the marriage of mysticism and law; he also (unlike Jesus or Mohammad) encouraged the construction of costly, lavish religious edifices. The old patriarchal paradigm in new colors, but with the same design.

&#039;Abdu&#039;l-Bahá referred to &quot;the inhabitants of a country like Africa&quot; as &quot;wandering savages (babari) and wild animals,&quot; who were lacking in &quot;intelligence and knowledge,&quot; &quot;uncivilized.&quot; A kinder, gentler racism.

K. Paul Johnson has noted, &quot;To make Jesus into a lawgiver, rather than a liberator, is to distort his very essence.  The Procrustean bed of prophetic legalism will fit Christ no more than it will Buddha.&quot; As Marcus Borg writes, &quot;As a teacher of wisdom, Jesus was not primarily a teacher of information (what to believe) or morals (how to behave), but a teacher of a way or path of transformation.&quot;

In the same light, Táhirih  Qurratu&#039;l-`Ayn proclaimed the shari&#039;a wholly abrogated and spearheaded an antinomian faction within Babism, something which Bahá&#039;u&#039;lláh would have unequivocally condemned.

&quot;Your preoccupation with namaz, fasting, and zakah, and whatever Mohammed brought is all nonsense and falsehoods. Only the ignorant and the unaware adhere to that law ... Therefore I say to you and it is the truth what I say, No orders as of today, and no commandments, no prohibitions and no castigation. Emerge from the solitude to the multitude and tear off the barrier which separates you from your women. Let them share in actions and in deeds ... Hoarding the riches and denying others the enjoyment and use of such riches is the origin of all sin, and wellspring of all misery. Make the poor among you equal to the rich. Do not keep your wives away from your dear ones as there is now no prohibition, commandment or restraint. Take your lot in this life, for there is nothing after death.&quot; -- Táhirih  Qurratu&#039;l-`Ayn

These constitute two fundamentally different spiritual perspectives with distinctly different social and religious consequences; i.e., one encourages the development of a &quot;both-and&quot; philosophy of inclusion while the other mandates an &quot;either-or&quot; philosophy of exclusion. As one of my spiritual teachers was fond of saying, &quot;choose wisely and choose well.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mavaddat wrote: &#8220;Bahá’í are not able to do this, because their ideas of fundamentally dogmatic and largely idealistic.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe you meant: &#8220;Bahá’í are not able to do this, because their ideas *are* fundamentally dogmatic and largely idealistic.&#8221; In which case I would completely agree. Your assessment is entirely accurate.</p>
<p>Bahá&#8217;u'lláh (unlike Ibn &#8216;Arabi or Táhirih Qurratu&#8217;l-&#8217;Ayn) legislated the marriage of mysticism and law; he also (unlike Jesus or Mohammad) encouraged the construction of costly, lavish religious edifices. The old patriarchal paradigm in new colors, but with the same design.</p>
<p>&#8216;Abdu&#8217;l-Bahá referred to &#8220;the inhabitants of a country like Africa&#8221; as &#8220;wandering savages (babari) and wild animals,&#8221; who were lacking in &#8220;intelligence and knowledge,&#8221; &#8220;uncivilized.&#8221; A kinder, gentler racism.</p>
<p>K. Paul Johnson has noted, &#8220;To make Jesus into a lawgiver, rather than a liberator, is to distort his very essence.  The Procrustean bed of prophetic legalism will fit Christ no more than it will Buddha.&#8221; As Marcus Borg writes, &#8220;As a teacher of wisdom, Jesus was not primarily a teacher of information (what to believe) or morals (how to behave), but a teacher of a way or path of transformation.&#8221;</p>
<p>In the same light, Táhirih  Qurratu&#8217;l-`Ayn proclaimed the shari&#8217;a wholly abrogated and spearheaded an antinomian faction within Babism, something which Bahá&#8217;u'lláh would have unequivocally condemned.</p>
<p>&#8220;Your preoccupation with namaz, fasting, and zakah, and whatever Mohammed brought is all nonsense and falsehoods. Only the ignorant and the unaware adhere to that law &#8230; Therefore I say to you and it is the truth what I say, No orders as of today, and no commandments, no prohibitions and no castigation. Emerge from the solitude to the multitude and tear off the barrier which separates you from your women. Let them share in actions and in deeds &#8230; Hoarding the riches and denying others the enjoyment and use of such riches is the origin of all sin, and wellspring of all misery. Make the poor among you equal to the rich. Do not keep your wives away from your dear ones as there is now no prohibition, commandment or restraint. Take your lot in this life, for there is nothing after death.&#8221; &#8212; Táhirih  Qurratu&#8217;l-`Ayn</p>
<p>These constitute two fundamentally different spiritual perspectives with distinctly different social and religious consequences; i.e., one encourages the development of a &#8220;both-and&#8221; philosophy of inclusion while the other mandates an &#8220;either-or&#8221; philosophy of exclusion. As one of my spiritual teachers was fond of saying, &#8220;choose wisely and choose well.&#8221;</p>
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