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		<title>By: NSA Elections in North America &#8211; 2010 &#124; Baha'i Rants</title>
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		<dc:creator>NSA Elections in North America &#8211; 2010 &#124; Baha'i Rants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 04:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is for an existing member to retire. Otherwise, forget about a chance to vote in any one new. This bias towards incumbency is not difficult to explain since it is baked into the very process of Baha&#8217;i elections and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is for an existing member to retire. Otherwise, forget about a chance to vote in any one new. This bias towards incumbency is not difficult to explain since it is baked into the very process of Baha&#8217;i elections and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: farhan</title>
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		<dc:creator>farhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig wrote : But there is the simple truth of the matter for everyone. No one&#039;s friends and family on the entire planet Earth is being influenced by the sorry methods by which the Faith now obsessively tries to make converts&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Craig, before the institute process hardly half of kids in Baha’i families enrolled as we were totally lacking structures that could convey the Baha’i way of life to our youth. This has obviously changed now and friends, relatives and neighbours participate in activities around the revealed word, and we are awaiting statistics. As to the remainder of your message I disagree to the point that no reply seems possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig wrote : But there is the simple truth of the matter for everyone. No one&#39;s friends and family on the entire planet Earth is being influenced by the sorry methods by which the Faith now obsessively tries to make converts</p>
<p>Craig, before the institute process hardly half of kids in Baha’i families enrolled as we were totally lacking structures that could convey the Baha’i way of life to our youth. This has obviously changed now and friends, relatives and neighbours participate in activities around the revealed word, and we are awaiting statistics. As to the remainder of your message I disagree to the point that no reply seems possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Parke</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/explaining-incumbency-in-bahai-elections-354.html/comment-page-1#comment-68589</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Parke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Farhan,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The lifetime incumbent class currently leading the Baha&#039;i Faith are all now completely mentally ill people submerged in a clique of deranged lock step groupthink. More than ten years of service in the AO makes people radioactive. This is the entire pattern of the AO since the Chicago reading room fiasco in 1912. It is a recurring pattern. Terminal clique groupthink to catastrophe has happened over and over.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The current plans and methodologies are NOT cosmically spiritual in any way whatsoever and will fail miserably. The Kingdom of God will now go to other peoples and other spiritual communities who can operate on individual initiative and insight.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is a great tragedy. But it is what has happened. The US NSA made a last honest attempt at sanity in the Ridvan 2007 Convention Report. It was dismissed out of hand by the top down ITC Faith apparatus incestuous clique that now completely owns the Baha&#039;i Faith and runs it as they see fit lock, stock, and barrel. It will all continue to fail because it is not one wit spiritual and is against the very Spirit of the World Age. It is all now a zero sum game of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic run by completely deranged mentally ill people. The Plan itself is now one of the greatest systems of idolatry ever conceived in any so called &quot;religion&quot;. Mindless soul killing automaton groupthink is NOTspirituality of any kind. Nothing can be done. These people will now serve forever answering to no one and will be replaced by hand picked, ideologically pre-screened people on the closed candidate list who will answer to no one. This is the fate of the Baha&#039;i Faith. No one can do a thing now but weep. It is just a huge predatory system to make &quot;converts&quot; so the lifetime administrative incumbent class at the top can sleep well at night thinking their lives weren&#039;t a complete waste of time. But their lives were.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You have every right not to discuss your family publicly on line. But there is the simple truth of the matter for everyone. No one&#039;s friends and family on the entire planet Earth is being influenced by the sorry methods by which the Faith now obsessively tries to make converts of marks singled out for aggressive predatory attack because it is all of completely zero spirituality.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So it goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Farhan,</p>
<p>The lifetime incumbent class currently leading the Baha&#39;i Faith are all now completely mentally ill people submerged in a clique of deranged lock step groupthink. More than ten years of service in the AO makes people radioactive. This is the entire pattern of the AO since the Chicago reading room fiasco in 1912. It is a recurring pattern. Terminal clique groupthink to catastrophe has happened over and over.</p>
<p>The current plans and methodologies are NOT cosmically spiritual in any way whatsoever and will fail miserably. The Kingdom of God will now go to other peoples and other spiritual communities who can operate on individual initiative and insight.</p>
<p>It is a great tragedy. But it is what has happened. The US NSA made a last honest attempt at sanity in the Ridvan 2007 Convention Report. It was dismissed out of hand by the top down ITC Faith apparatus incestuous clique that now completely owns the Baha&#39;i Faith and runs it as they see fit lock, stock, and barrel. It will all continue to fail because it is not one wit spiritual and is against the very Spirit of the World Age. It is all now a zero sum game of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic run by completely deranged mentally ill people. The Plan itself is now one of the greatest systems of idolatry ever conceived in any so called &#8220;religion&#8221;. Mindless soul killing automaton groupthink is NOTspirituality of any kind. Nothing can be done. These people will now serve forever answering to no one and will be replaced by hand picked, ideologically pre-screened people on the closed candidate list who will answer to no one. This is the fate of the Baha&#39;i Faith. No one can do a thing now but weep. It is just a huge predatory system to make &#8220;converts&#8221; so the lifetime administrative incumbent class at the top can sleep well at night thinking their lives weren&#39;t a complete waste of time. But their lives were.</p>
<p>You have every right not to discuss your family publicly on line. But there is the simple truth of the matter for everyone. No one&#39;s friends and family on the entire planet Earth is being influenced by the sorry methods by which the Faith now obsessively tries to make converts of marks singled out for aggressive predatory attack because it is all of completely zero spirituality.</p>
<p>So it goes.</p>
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		<title>By: Farhan</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/explaining-incumbency-in-bahai-elections-354.html/comment-page-1#comment-67083</link>
		<dc:creator>Farhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig wrote : But there is the simple truth of the matter for everyone. No one&#039;s friends and family on the entire planet Earth is being influenced by the sorry methods by which the Faith now obsessively tries to make converts&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Craig, before the institute process hardly half of kids in Baha’i families enrolled as we were totally lacking structures that could convey the Baha’i way of life to our youth. This has obviously changed now and friends, relatives and neighbours participate in activities around the revealed word, and we are awaiting statistics. As to the remainder of your message I disagree to the point that no reply seems possible.</description>
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<p>Craig, before the institute process hardly half of kids in Baha’i families enrolled as we were totally lacking structures that could convey the Baha’i way of life to our youth. This has obviously changed now and friends, relatives and neighbours participate in activities around the revealed word, and we are awaiting statistics. As to the remainder of your message I disagree to the point that no reply seems possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Parke</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/explaining-incumbency-in-bahai-elections-354.html/comment-page-1#comment-67082</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Parke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Farhan,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The lifetime incumbent class currently leading the Baha&#039;i Faith are all now completely mentally ill people submerged in a clique of deranged lock step groupthink. More than ten years of service in the AO makes people radioactive. This is the entire pattern of the AO since the Chicago reading room fiasco in 1912. It is a recurring pattern. Terminal clique groupthink to catastrophe has happened over and over.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The current plans and methodologies are NOT cosmically spiritual in any way whatsoever and will fail miserably. The Kingdom of God will now go to other peoples and other spiritual communities who can operate on individual initiative and insight.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is a great tragedy. But it is what has happened. The US NSA made a last honest attempt at sanity in the Ridvan 2007 Convention Report. It was dismissed out of hand by the top down ITC Faith apparatus incestuous clique that now completely owns the Baha&#039;i Faith and runs it as they see fit lock, stock, and barrel. It will all continue to fail because it is not one wit spiritual and is against the very Spirit of the World Age. It is all now a zero sum game of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic run by completely deranged mentally ill people. The Plan itself is now one of the greatest systems of idolatry ever conceived in any so called &quot;religion&quot;. Mindless soul killing automaton groupthink is NOTspirituality of any kind. Nothing can be done. These people will now serve forever answering to no one and will be replaced by hand picked, ideologically pre-screened people on the closed candidate list who will answer to no one. This is the fate of the Baha&#039;i Faith. No one can do a thing now but weep. It is just a huge predatory system to make &quot;converts&quot; so the lifetime administrative incumbent class at the top can sleep well at night thinking their lives weren&#039;t a complete waste of time. But their lives were.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You have every right not to discuss your family publicly on line. But there is the simple truth of the matter for everyone. No one&#039;s friends and family on the entire planet Earth is being influenced by the sorry methods by which the Faith now obsessively tries to make converts of marks singled out for aggressive predatory attack because it is all of completely zero spirituality.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So it goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Farhan,</p>
<p>The lifetime incumbent class currently leading the Baha&#39;i Faith are all now completely mentally ill people submerged in a clique of deranged lock step groupthink. More than ten years of service in the AO makes people radioactive. This is the entire pattern of the AO since the Chicago reading room fiasco in 1912. It is a recurring pattern. Terminal clique groupthink to catastrophe has happened over and over.</p>
<p>The current plans and methodologies are NOT cosmically spiritual in any way whatsoever and will fail miserably. The Kingdom of God will now go to other peoples and other spiritual communities who can operate on individual initiative and insight.</p>
<p>It is a great tragedy. But it is what has happened. The US NSA made a last honest attempt at sanity in the Ridvan 2007 Convention Report. It was dismissed out of hand by the top down ITC Faith apparatus incestuous clique that now completely owns the Baha&#39;i Faith and runs it as they see fit lock, stock, and barrel. It will all continue to fail because it is not one wit spiritual and is against the very Spirit of the World Age. It is all now a zero sum game of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic run by completely deranged mentally ill people. The Plan itself is now one of the greatest systems of idolatry ever conceived in any so called &#8220;religion&#8221;. Mindless soul killing automaton groupthink is NOTspirituality of any kind. Nothing can be done. These people will now serve forever answering to no one and will be replaced by hand picked, ideologically pre-screened people on the closed candidate list who will answer to no one. This is the fate of the Baha&#39;i Faith. No one can do a thing now but weep. It is just a huge predatory system to make &#8220;converts&#8221; so the lifetime administrative incumbent class at the top can sleep well at night thinking their lives weren&#39;t a complete waste of time. But their lives were.</p>
<p>You have every right not to discuss your family publicly on line. But there is the simple truth of the matter for everyone. No one&#39;s friends and family on the entire planet Earth is being influenced by the sorry methods by which the Faith now obsessively tries to make converts of marks singled out for aggressive predatory attack because it is all of completely zero spirituality.</p>
<p>So it goes.</p>
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		<title>By: Farhan</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/explaining-incumbency-in-bahai-elections-354.html/comment-page-1#comment-67080</link>
		<dc:creator>Farhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig wrote : the UHJ has brilliantly declared that the Faith must use top down straight jacketed methods that will cause the Faith to completely fail and go bankrupt in every land and every culture on Earth. …. (Etc, etc… )&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Craig, this comes straight out of your nightmares and has absolutely no basis in reality. It is an urgent priority to provide a simplified and well defined curriculum for those who wish to participate in teaching large numbers, but curriculum s in no way binding on others. When you build schools, this does not exclude individual tutorship. As to my family, I have no right to discuss their position online.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig wrote : the UHJ has brilliantly declared that the Faith must use top down straight jacketed methods that will cause the Faith to completely fail and go bankrupt in every land and every culture on Earth. …. (Etc, etc… )</p>
<p>Craig, this comes straight out of your nightmares and has absolutely no basis in reality. It is an urgent priority to provide a simplified and well defined curriculum for those who wish to participate in teaching large numbers, but curriculum s in no way binding on others. When you build schools, this does not exclude individual tutorship. As to my family, I have no right to discuss their position online.</p>
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		<title>By: Farhan</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/explaining-incumbency-in-bahai-elections-354.html/comment-page-1#comment-67079</link>
		<dc:creator>Farhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baquia, what improvement would you suggest?</description>
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		<title>By: Craig Parke</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/explaining-incumbency-in-bahai-elections-354.html/comment-page-1#comment-67077</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Parke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Farhan, the UHJ has brilliantly declared that the Faith must use top down straight jacketed methods that will cause the Faith to completely fail and go bankrupt in every land and every culture on Earth. No decisions as to how the Faith is taught can be decided locally anywhere on Earth. No individual is free to experiment or think outside the box in any way. Everyone must pimp for the Ruhi Full Sequence of Courses to recruit people and then indoctrinate them so they will carry out the Plan as worldwide automatons devoid of any personal insight or initiative or creativity in any other direction. People must learn the rote answers and repeat them on command like trained seals. Any effort in any other direction that would be successful must ultimately be bent to this final base line purpose in the Faith.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is not going to work because it is completely against the Teachings of Baha&#039;u&#039;llah. It is profoundly against the new liberated energies of the new World Age. The new World Age is about the independent investigation of truth by individuals as completely free peoples. It is not about turning your soul over to someone else to do your thinking for you. people who require a person to do that are in the role of &quot;clergy&quot;. Clergy is forbidden in the World Age. The theorist class &quot;high school&quot; teachers in the Baha&#039;i Faith who have appointed themselves to do this can go to hell. And they will in world history. They are so spiritually blind that they do not see the archetypal judgment they have brought upon themselves. They are amazingly clueless people. Their descendants one and all to a man and to a woman will curse them for what they did to the Baha&#039;i faith. They personally stopped 7,000 years of human spiritual evolution within the community of Baha&#039;u&#039;llah. It is embarrassing. So the great power to effect real grass roots change in the world is now going to other peoples and other spiritual communities worldwide who will now steal the cosmic thunder that once belonged to the Baha&#039;is. It is going to people who can think and act on their own while the Baha&#039;i Faith is in spiritual and intellectual chains. It is going to peoples of free inquiry and exploration. Each hour that passes is an hour that the Baha&#039;is fall further and further behind. Financial collapse will come because a Top Down Theocracy of Dunces is just not going to cut it in the new World Age.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This was all foretold spiritually by Baha&#039;u&#039;llah in the Tablet of the Holy Mariner. Baha&#039;u&#039;llah has nothing whatsoever to do with the Baha&#039;i Faith now. They made Shoghi Effendi the Supreme Manifestation of God for this World Age because it was much easier for people who have zero spirituality to have that as a &quot;Faith&quot;. There is nothing that can be done now. It will be fatal.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A perfect example is your own family. If the Baha&#039;is were the clear choice for progressive Persian-French souls to improve the world, then why did your wife and daughters never join the Faith themselves?  The answer is that no spiritually progressive person on Earth would ever join or stay in the hapless spiritual Communist Party system of entrenched lifeless top down brain chemistry that the Baha&#039;i Faith has become. It could have all gone in another direction if the tiny top down lifetime incumbent clique would have stayed with the Teachings of Baha&#039;u&#039;llah.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Anyone in the Baha&#039;i Faith of today in 2009 who thinks differently (even people like me who devotedly served the Faith with everything I had for 32 straight years up until 2004) is now declared the &quot;Enemy of God&quot; if they do not support the top down Comintern and would be burned at the stake by these people if they ever came into any real power in the world. It is the same old, same old in human history. Couldn&#039;t we have achieved something far better if the Faith could have been allowed to develop bottom up?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So it goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Farhan, the UHJ has brilliantly declared that the Faith must use top down straight jacketed methods that will cause the Faith to completely fail and go bankrupt in every land and every culture on Earth. No decisions as to how the Faith is taught can be decided locally anywhere on Earth. No individual is free to experiment or think outside the box in any way. Everyone must pimp for the Ruhi Full Sequence of Courses to recruit people and then indoctrinate them so they will carry out the Plan as worldwide automatons devoid of any personal insight or initiative or creativity in any other direction. People must learn the rote answers and repeat them on command like trained seals. Any effort in any other direction that would be successful must ultimately be bent to this final base line purpose in the Faith.</p>
<p>It is not going to work because it is completely against the Teachings of Baha&#39;u&#39;llah. It is profoundly against the new liberated energies of the new World Age. The new World Age is about the independent investigation of truth by individuals as completely free peoples. It is not about turning your soul over to someone else to do your thinking for you. people who require a person to do that are in the role of &#8220;clergy&#8221;. Clergy is forbidden in the World Age. The theorist class &#8220;high school&#8221; teachers in the Baha&#39;i Faith who have appointed themselves to do this can go to hell. And they will in world history. They are so spiritually blind that they do not see the archetypal judgment they have brought upon themselves. They are amazingly clueless people. Their descendants one and all to a man and to a woman will curse them for what they did to the Baha&#39;i faith. They personally stopped 7,000 years of human spiritual evolution within the community of Baha&#39;u&#39;llah. It is embarrassing. So the great power to effect real grass roots change in the world is now going to other peoples and other spiritual communities worldwide who will now steal the cosmic thunder that once belonged to the Baha&#39;is. It is going to people who can think and act on their own while the Baha&#39;i Faith is in spiritual and intellectual chains. It is going to peoples of free inquiry and exploration. Each hour that passes is an hour that the Baha&#39;is fall further and further behind. Financial collapse will come because a Top Down Theocracy of Dunces is just not going to cut it in the new World Age.</p>
<p>This was all foretold spiritually by Baha&#39;u&#39;llah in the Tablet of the Holy Mariner. Baha&#39;u&#39;llah has nothing whatsoever to do with the Baha&#39;i Faith now. They made Shoghi Effendi the Supreme Manifestation of God for this World Age because it was much easier for people who have zero spirituality to have that as a &#8220;Faith&#8221;. There is nothing that can be done now. It will be fatal.</p>
<p>A perfect example is your own family. If the Baha&#39;is were the clear choice for progressive Persian-French souls to improve the world, then why did your wife and daughters never join the Faith themselves?  The answer is that no spiritually progressive person on Earth would ever join or stay in the hapless spiritual Communist Party system of entrenched lifeless top down brain chemistry that the Baha&#39;i Faith has become. It could have all gone in another direction if the tiny top down lifetime incumbent clique would have stayed with the Teachings of Baha&#39;u&#39;llah.</p>
<p>Anyone in the Baha&#39;i Faith of today in 2009 who thinks differently (even people like me who devotedly served the Faith with everything I had for 32 straight years up until 2004) is now declared the &#8220;Enemy of God&#8221; if they do not support the top down Comintern and would be burned at the stake by these people if they ever came into any real power in the world. It is the same old, same old in human history. Couldn&#39;t we have achieved something far better if the Faith could have been allowed to develop bottom up?</p>
<p>So it goes.</p>
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		<title>By: Baquia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baquia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 17:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AdD, laziness on the part of the community you mean. Yes, that is part of it. The status quo is a pretty strong force. We see it in nature as well. Objects at rest stay at rest, etc. (Newton&#039;s Laws). I&#039;m hoping that fellow Baha&#039;is realize that incumbency isn&#039;t just because of laziness though. It is an inherent characteristic built into the current system. The good news that there is no reason we can&#039;t improve the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AdD, laziness on the part of the community you mean. Yes, that is part of it. The status quo is a pretty strong force. We see it in nature as well. Objects at rest stay at rest, etc. (Newton&#39;s Laws). I&#39;m hoping that fellow Baha&#39;is realize that incumbency isn&#39;t just because of laziness though. It is an inherent characteristic built into the current system. The good news that there is no reason we can&#39;t improve the system.</p>
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