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		<title>By: Outsider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Outsider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 10:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reaction:  Bravo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reaction:  Bravo!</p>
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		<title>By: Franceswind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Franceswind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 20:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was generally aware of this discussion back in 2007 but didn&#039;t follow it too closely. Thus I never noticed the tablet translated by Wahid (Nima).

In it Baha&#039;u&#039;llah indicates another personage to follow Abdu&#039;l-Baha and Shoghi Effendi:

And after the branches, for the pious servant present in front of this throne, [we have made] an elevated station</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was generally aware of this discussion back in 2007 but didn&#8217;t follow it too closely. Thus I never noticed the tablet translated by Wahid (Nima).</p>
<p>In it Baha&#8217;u'llah indicates another personage to follow Abdu&#8217;l-Baha and Shoghi Effendi:</p>
<p>And after the branches, for the pious servant present in front of this throne, [we have made] an elevated station</p>
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		<title>By: Desir0101</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desir0101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2011 11:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;&#039;But implementing the law immediately without thought to the consequences to the thousands of families who had converted from Islam would have been simply devastating.&#039;&#039; according to your reasoning,
 Islam specify not more than four wives.
And Aqdas mention not more than two,
so what about those by that time having more than two wives(polygamy) and become Bahai, was it not &#039;&#039;simply devastating&#039;&#039; to them.

From these words from the Aqdas (Beware ye take unto yourselves  more 
wives than two) could help these people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221;But implementing the law immediately without thought to the consequences to the thousands of families who had converted from Islam would have been simply devastating.&#8221; according to your reasoning,<br />
 Islam specify not more than four wives.<br />
And Aqdas mention not more than two,<br />
so what about those by that time having more than two wives(polygamy) and become Bahai, was it not &#8221;simply devastating&#8221; to them.</p>
<p>From these words from the Aqdas (Beware ye take unto yourselves  more<br />
wives than two) could help these people.</p>
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		<title>By: Desir0101</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desir0101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Apr 2011 09:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reply to Baquia.
Even if the Aqdas have mentioned just monogamy, this would have make no difference as oppose to what you stated  &quot;&quot;converted from Islam would have been simply devastating&quot;&quot; because many decades after that this &quot;monogamy &quot;law was enforced.

And it was made clear by that time  that those who are already living a polygamous life should continued to do so.

Even to day if such   polygamous family would join the faith, there no problem, they can continued to do so.

I personally believe, that the Aqdas have laid emphasis on the right to have two wives..

And tranquility with one wife come on the second plan.

But something ridiculous, when you accept the Bahai faith freely and the Bahai marriage ceremony is imposed on you with the risk that your voting right be suppressed.

I call this dictatorship. 

I am right Iam wrong .
I don&#039;t know.





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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to Baquia.<br />
Even if the Aqdas have mentioned just monogamy, this would have make no difference as oppose to what you stated  &#8220;&#8221;converted from Islam would have been simply devastating&#8221;" because many decades after that this &#8220;monogamy &#8220;law was enforced.</p>
<p>And it was made clear by that time  that those who are already living a polygamous life should continued to do so.</p>
<p>Even to day if such   polygamous family would join the faith, there no problem, they can continued to do so.</p>
<p>I personally believe, that the Aqdas have laid emphasis on the right to have two wives..</p>
<p>And tranquility with one wife come on the second plan.</p>
<p>But something ridiculous, when you accept the Bahai faith freely and the Bahai marriage ceremony is imposed on you with the risk that your voting right be suppressed.</p>
<p>I call this dictatorship. </p>
<p>I am right Iam wrong .<br />
I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: Desir0101</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desir0101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 16:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Craig,
The Faith is like a body without a soul.

Surely there is something wrong somewhere.

And thanks a lot Baquia for your reply. 

I got through these texts and different person and institution have different views on the concept of Infallibility

Father said yes,Son said no, grandson said yes and then latter denied.

A simple e.g.

Shoghi effendi Denied categorically the practice of polygamy by the muslims in His letter dated 29 jan. 1939. and knew quite well that His Grandfather practiced same.

And there are several examples like that.

So, I will not further my discussion .

Thanks to every body.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Craig,<br />
The Faith is like a body without a soul.</p>
<p>Surely there is something wrong somewhere.</p>
<p>And thanks a lot Baquia for your reply. </p>
<p>I got through these texts and different person and institution have different views on the concept of Infallibility</p>
<p>Father said yes,Son said no, grandson said yes and then latter denied.</p>
<p>A simple e.g.</p>
<p>Shoghi effendi Denied categorically the practice of polygamy by the muslims in His letter dated 29 jan. 1939. and knew quite well that His Grandfather practiced same.</p>
<p>And there are several examples like that.</p>
<p>So, I will not further my discussion .</p>
<p>Thanks to every body.</p>
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		<title>By: Baquia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baquia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 14:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basically, there are levels. The highest is any text which was written or authored. The next is through a secretary which was then approved. And then there are speeches, pilgrims notes, etc. 

Infallibility itself is a sticky wicket and usually misunderstood. Most Baha&#039;is, to be safe, take it to the nth degree but it is in reality much more nuanced. The infallibility that Baha&#039;u&#039;llah claimed is quite different than that of Abdul-Baha and Shoghi Effendi or the UHJ. As well, Shoghi Effendi made nor abrogated laws - the the Guardianship and the UHJ have two separate and distinct spheres of authority.

Personally I can&#039;t square the flexibility that was inherently built into the Guardianship with the ossified and artificial one that we have now. But that unfortunately is the way it is and there really is no way out of it.

The role of the Guardian was to be a presence along with the UHJ. In fact, he was/is a permanent (not voted) member of the UHJ. We also have multiple references to the institutions with the plural, guardians - referring to future ones.

If you are going to take the writing of one person and treat the writing as if it were the institution itself, then we could very well take all the writing of the UHJ and say for example, we don&#039;t need to elect the UHJ anymore! We can just refer to all of that voluminous writing we already have.

Obviously this is childish and nonsensical. The difference of course is that according to the Baha&#039;i administrative order we can elect UHJ members whereas we can not appoint Guardians. That ship has sailed. But this is a huge topic. One that I&#039;ve been thinking about writing for far too long.

Also, Sen would be able to help you further if you&#039;re interested since he&#039;s written about various parts of this discussion in his blog. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basically, there are levels. The highest is any text which was written or authored. The next is through a secretary which was then approved. And then there are speeches, pilgrims notes, etc. </p>
<p>Infallibility itself is a sticky wicket and usually misunderstood. Most Baha&#8217;is, to be safe, take it to the nth degree but it is in reality much more nuanced. The infallibility that Baha&#8217;u'llah claimed is quite different than that of Abdul-Baha and Shoghi Effendi or the UHJ. As well, Shoghi Effendi made nor abrogated laws &#8211; the the Guardianship and the UHJ have two separate and distinct spheres of authority.</p>
<p>Personally I can&#8217;t square the flexibility that was inherently built into the Guardianship with the ossified and artificial one that we have now. But that unfortunately is the way it is and there really is no way out of it.</p>
<p>The role of the Guardian was to be a presence along with the UHJ. In fact, he was/is a permanent (not voted) member of the UHJ. We also have multiple references to the institutions with the plural, guardians &#8211; referring to future ones.</p>
<p>If you are going to take the writing of one person and treat the writing as if it were the institution itself, then we could very well take all the writing of the UHJ and say for example, we don&#8217;t need to elect the UHJ anymore! We can just refer to all of that voluminous writing we already have.</p>
<p>Obviously this is childish and nonsensical. The difference of course is that according to the Baha&#8217;i administrative order we can elect UHJ members whereas we can not appoint Guardians. That ship has sailed. But this is a huge topic. One that I&#8217;ve been thinking about writing for far too long.</p>
<p>Also, Sen would be able to help you further if you&#8217;re interested since he&#8217;s written about various parts of this discussion in his blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Parke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Parke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 11:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you are going to take the writing of one person and treat the writing as if it were the institution itself, then we could very well take all the writing of the UHJ and say for example, we don&#039;t need to elect the UHJ anymore! We can just refer to all of that voluminous writing we already have.&quot;

We don&#039;t because that is exactly what has happened. The Faith, therefore, is completely dead in the water as a consequence. It is now a straight jacket and the world will now completely pass it by. There is no way out of this bind. The Divine Powers of the new unfolding World Age have going to others. As far as the Baha&#039;i Faith is concerned, Elvis has left the building.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you are going to take the writing of one person and treat the writing as if it were the institution itself, then we could very well take all the writing of the UHJ and say for example, we don&#8217;t need to elect the UHJ anymore! We can just refer to all of that voluminous writing we already have.&#8221;</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t because that is exactly what has happened. The Faith, therefore, is completely dead in the water as a consequence. It is now a straight jacket and the world will now completely pass it by. There is no way out of this bind. The Divine Powers of the new unfolding World Age have going to others. As far as the Baha&#8217;i Faith is concerned, Elvis has left the building.</p>
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		<title>By: Desir0101</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desir0101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 07:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks.
This has been a puzzle to me.
In the case of Abdulbaha and Shoghi Effendi did every thing that they have penned  down from and words be consider as infallible.

Did this state of infallibity is permanent during the whole ministry of the person.

As  far as I know The pilgrims notes are not consider as authenticity sayings, even the notes date April 15 - 23, 1953 by Alice Dudley, approved on behalf of the Guardian, dated 30.08.1957. The Guardian himself confirmed to Winston Evans.

The Paris Talk by Abdulbaha has not been authenticated by any two central figures but yet use by Bahais as words of Abdulbaha. Which is which.??????

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.<br />
This has been a puzzle to me.<br />
In the case of Abdulbaha and Shoghi Effendi did every thing that they have penned  down from and words be consider as infallible.</p>
<p>Did this state of infallibity is permanent during the whole ministry of the person.</p>
<p>As  far as I know The pilgrims notes are not consider as authenticity sayings, even the notes date April 15 &#8211; 23, 1953 by Alice Dudley, approved on behalf of the Guardian, dated 30.08.1957. The Guardian himself confirmed to Winston Evans.</p>
<p>The Paris Talk by Abdulbaha has not been authenticated by any two central figures but yet use by Bahais as words of Abdulbaha. Which is which.??????</p>
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		<title>By: Baquia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baquia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2011 00:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Desir, 
everyone will have a different opinion on this. Personally, I think that only written revelation with a capital R is considered of divine origin. Of course, because of the direct connection the minutia of the life of the person (manifestation, prophet, etc.) is studied and retold. 

In Baha&#039;u&#039;llah&#039;s case, this was a specific act done mostly in private with a scribe or amanuensis. You can see an example of it &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bahaullah.org/tablets/revelation-writing&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Desir,<br />
everyone will have a different opinion on this. Personally, I think that only written revelation with a capital R is considered of divine origin. Of course, because of the direct connection the minutia of the life of the person (manifestation, prophet, etc.) is studied and retold. </p>
<p>In Baha&#8217;u'llah&#8217;s case, this was a specific act done mostly in private with a scribe or amanuensis. You can see an example of it <a href="http://www.bahaullah.org/tablets/revelation-writing" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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