Comments on: Highlight From US National Convention http://bahairants.com/highlight-from-us-national-convention-335.html A personal Baha'i blog. Sun, 12 Oct 2008 02:13:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: FREDRICK ASIEDU http://bahairants.com/highlight-from-us-national-convention-335.html#comment-55185 FREDRICK ASIEDU Sat, 30 Aug 2008 19:31:32 +0000 http://bahairants.com/highlight-from-us-national-convention-335.html#comment-55185 [quote comment=""][...] Oh, right. Silly me. I’m trying to see with my own eyes and hear with mine own ears. [...][/quote] PLease i wish to participate the annual convention in your country. I Want you to send me invitation letter

[…] Oh, right. Silly me. I’m trying to see with my own eyes and hear with mine own ears. […]

PLease i wish to participate the annual convention in your country. I Want you to send me invitation letter

]]> By: Reports Show Communities Ignoring Ruhi at Baha’i Rants http://bahairants.com/highlight-from-us-national-convention-335.html#comment-50373 Reports Show Communities Ignoring Ruhi at Baha’i Rants Wed, 14 May 2008 13:20:41 +0000 http://bahairants.com/highlight-from-us-national-convention-335.html#comment-50373 [...] Oh, right. Silly me. I’m trying to see with my own eyes and hear with mine own ears. [...] […] Oh, right. Silly me. I’m trying to see with my own eyes and hear with mine own ears. […]

]]> By: Meet the New Universal House of Justice at Baha’i Rants http://bahairants.com/highlight-from-us-national-convention-335.html#comment-49261 Meet the New Universal House of Justice at Baha’i Rants Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:19:43 +0000 http://bahairants.com/highlight-from-us-national-convention-335.html#comment-49261 [...] so hard they are still squinting, the counters were counting (and re-counting), Counsellor Penny Walker, as chairperson of the convention, kept imploring the tellers to not actually look at the ballots [...] […] so hard they are still squinting, the counters were counting (and re-counting), Counsellor Penny Walker, as chairperson of the convention, kept imploring the tellers to not actually look at the ballots […]

]]> By: Lieylak http://bahairants.com/highlight-from-us-national-convention-335.html#comment-37929 Lieylak Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:25:16 +0000 http://bahairants.com/highlight-from-us-national-convention-335.html#comment-37929 Ok this is a matter of lenses or seeing things the way the UHJ does...no matter how I try I will never be able to see things through the lens of the UHJ because they are infallible and I am not. The UHJ guidance is a matter of obedience. We just obey the UHJ no matter what ...we will never be able to see things the way they do. I think trying to see through the UHJ's lens is what gets us into trouble...because we can't do it. This is not an issue of come over to the UHJ's side and see it their way. This is we are on the UHJ's side we will never ever be able to see it the way they do BUT WE OBEY THE UHJ instantly and exactly. If you have to see things with the lens of the UHJ to act on what the UHJ says then you are not obeying...you are logical reasoning! Of course logical reasoning is GOOD but in the case of the UHJ we will never be able to see through their lens of infallibility...this is why we have complete obediance to them. Ok this is a matter of lenses or seeing things the way the UHJ does…no matter how I try I will never be able to see things through the lens of the UHJ because they are infallible and I am not. The UHJ guidance is a matter of obedience.

We just obey the UHJ no matter what …we will never be able to see things the way they do.

I think trying to see through the UHJ’s lens is what gets us into trouble…because we can’t do it.

This is not an issue of come over to the UHJ’s side and see it their way. This is we are on the UHJ’s side we will never ever be able to see it the way they do BUT WE OBEY THE UHJ instantly and exactly.

If you have to see things with the lens of the UHJ to act on what the UHJ says then you are not obeying…you are logical reasoning!

Of course logical reasoning is GOOD but in the case of the UHJ we will never be able to see through their lens of infallibility…this is why we have complete obediance to them.

]]> By: Sincere Friend http://bahairants.com/highlight-from-us-national-convention-335.html#comment-36504 Sincere Friend Mon, 05 Nov 2007 20:51:54 +0000 http://bahairants.com/highlight-from-us-national-convention-335.html#comment-36504 Yes I agree, that is how her comment taken only by itself struck me, but on learning of the full talk it had more the impression of the comment related to by Kitti McKean. Yes I agree, that is how her comment taken only by itself struck me, but on learning of the full talk it had more the impression of the comment related to by Kitti McKean.

]]> By: Brendan Cook http://bahairants.com/highlight-from-us-national-convention-335.html#comment-36441 Brendan Cook Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:04:07 +0000 http://bahairants.com/highlight-from-us-national-convention-335.html#comment-36441 Kitti, I think that we all make mistakes in how we speak. Which is why I think that Sen McGlinn deserves more understanding in terms of how his words have been taken. That being said, I can't imagine what Counsellor Murphy could have been thinking. Surely she knew that that she was taking one of Baha'u'llah's most memorable utterances and reversing it! Surely she saw that she'd turned his exhortation to see with our own eyes and hear with our own ears upside down! As for the fact that we aren't perfect and need the guidance of God's prophets, this is true enough. But what is it the prophets do? They come, as Baha'u'llah did, to remind us to trust our reason, trust our conscience, and to investigate reality for ourselves. They remind us to see with our own eyes, to know of our own knowledge, to set aside blind imitation. They come to abolish every variety of superstition. When Counsellor Murphy tells us to set our own "lens" aside in favor of the "lense" of the House, she is undermining the guidance of all of God's prophets. She is raising up new idols in the place of old ones and providing an object lesson in human perversity and impiety. Brendan Kitti,

I think that we all make mistakes in how we speak. Which is why I think that Sen McGlinn deserves more understanding in terms of how his words have been taken. That being said, I can’t imagine what Counsellor Murphy could have been thinking. Surely she knew that that she was taking one of Baha’u'llah’s most memorable utterances and reversing it! Surely she saw that she’d turned his exhortation to see with our own eyes and hear with our own ears upside down!

As for the fact that we aren’t perfect and need the guidance of God’s prophets, this is true enough. But what is it the prophets do? They come, as Baha’u'llah did, to remind us to trust our reason, trust our conscience, and to investigate reality for ourselves. They remind us to see with our own eyes, to know of our own knowledge, to set aside blind imitation. They come to abolish every variety of superstition. When Counsellor Murphy tells us to set our own “lens” aside in favor of the “lense” of the House, she is undermining the guidance of all of God’s prophets. She is raising up new idols in the place of old ones and providing an object lesson in human perversity and impiety.

Brendan

]]> By: Kitti McKean http://bahairants.com/highlight-from-us-national-convention-335.html#comment-36431 Kitti McKean Sun, 04 Nov 2007 22:04:35 +0000 http://bahairants.com/highlight-from-us-national-convention-335.html#comment-36431 I think what she meant was that we need to keep faith no matter how slow progress is, and that we need to look to our divinely guided institutions to help us see the true forcast of where we as a world community stand in regards to the Faith's overall growth and progress. It is unfortunate that her comments have been taken to mean that our institutions have precendence over the individual's personal path towards spiritual growth. It reminds me of an unfortunate comment I once made as the liaison for a community health center. I said we provided"womb to tomb care" --meaning we served people through birth through old age...in writing it appeared we were killing people off. Please dont judge Counselor Murphy's overall speech by one poorly worded coomment. I myself am undergoing a spiritual crisis and found her overall words to help, not push we further away from my faith. It helps to be reminded to turn to the Seven Valleys for guidance re my spiritual journey. The Faith is perfect but we humans are not. If we were there wouild be no need for God to send prophets to guide us. I think what she meant was that we need to keep faith no matter how slow progress is, and that we need to look to our divinely guided institutions to help us see the true forcast of where we as a world community stand in regards to the Faith’s overall growth and progress. It is unfortunate that her comments have been taken to mean that our institutions have precendence over the individual’s personal path towards spiritual growth. It reminds me of an unfortunate comment I once made as the liaison for a community health center. I said we provided”womb to tomb care” –meaning we served people through birth through old age…in writing it appeared we were killing people off. Please dont judge Counselor Murphy’s overall speech by one poorly worded coomment. I myself am undergoing a spiritual crisis and found her overall words to help, not push we further away from my faith. It helps to be reminded to turn to the Seven Valleys for guidance re my spiritual journey. The Faith is perfect but we humans are not. If we were there wouild be no need for God to send prophets to guide us.

]]> By: Steve http://bahairants.com/highlight-from-us-national-convention-335.html#comment-36311 Steve Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:08:17 +0000 http://bahairants.com/highlight-from-us-national-convention-335.html#comment-36311 Did she really say "We don't want to be those people that want to see God with their own eyes, and hear His melody with their own ears?" Did she say that to be ironic or sarcastic, or did she mean it? Did she really say “We don’t want to be those people that want to see God with their own eyes, and hear His melody with their own ears?” Did she say that to be ironic or sarcastic, or did she mean it?

]]> By: Bill Davis Comment On UHJ April 19th Letter http://bahairants.com/highlight-from-us-national-convention-335.html#comment-34497 Bill Davis Comment On UHJ April 19th Letter Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:42:24 +0000 http://bahairants.com/highlight-from-us-national-convention-335.html#comment-34497 [...] Counsellor Rebequa Murphy’s Comment At Convention [...] […] Counsellor Rebequa Murphy’s Comment At Convention […]

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