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	<title>Comments on: House of Justice Letter April 19 2007 &#8211; Response To NSA US</title>
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		<title>By: NSA Elections in North America &#8211; 2010 &#124; Baha'i Rants</title>
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		<dc:creator>NSA Elections in North America &#8211; 2010 &#124; Baha'i Rants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 02:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] same organizational illness. The clearest and most recent example is the fiasco surrounding the 2007 annual report from the US NSA.   [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Karmaniac</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/house-of-justice-letter-april-19-2007-response-to-nsa-us-342.html/comment-page-1#comment-50599</link>
		<dc:creator>Karmaniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 16:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, the Faith has been around now for a long time.  One can&#039;t compare, say, Christianity&#039;s rise and the Faith&#039;s rise and say that the Faith is in its infancy.  It is a different world and things move much, much faster.  Communications are completely different.  Everything, really.  How long are people going to say that the Faith is still young?  100 more years?  200?  It isn&#039;t young.  So, chalking up the deficiencies to youth is a fallacious argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, the Faith has been around now for a long time.  One can&#8217;t compare, say, Christianity&#8217;s rise and the Faith&#8217;s rise and say that the Faith is in its infancy.  It is a different world and things move much, much faster.  Communications are completely different.  Everything, really.  How long are people going to say that the Faith is still young?  100 more years?  200?  It isn&#8217;t young.  So, chalking up the deficiencies to youth is a fallacious argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Karmaniac</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/house-of-justice-letter-april-19-2007-response-to-nsa-us-342.html/comment-page-1#comment-77217</link>
		<dc:creator>Karmaniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 16:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, the Faith has been around now for a long time.  One can&#039;t compare, say, Christianity&#039;s rise and the Faith&#039;s rise and say that the Faith is in its infancy.  It is a different world and things move much, much faster.  Communications are completely different.  Everything, really.  How long are people going to say that the Faith is still young?  100 more years?  200?  It isn&#039;t young.  So, chalking up the deficiencies to youth is a fallacious argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, the Faith has been around now for a long time.  One can&#8217;t compare, say, Christianity&#8217;s rise and the Faith&#8217;s rise and say that the Faith is in its infancy.  It is a different world and things move much, much faster.  Communications are completely different.  Everything, really.  How long are people going to say that the Faith is still young?  100 more years?  200?  It isn&#8217;t young.  So, chalking up the deficiencies to youth is a fallacious argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Karmaniac</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/house-of-justice-letter-april-19-2007-response-to-nsa-us-342.html/comment-page-1#comment-50596</link>
		<dc:creator>Karmaniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 16:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose all this talk is fine and dandy, but it does not deal with real people and their spirituality and emotions - now (not a hundred years from now).  What good is religion if it does not elevate and benefit individual believers spiritual lives?...if it brings no peace to people, real people who are searching for spirituality and meaning in their lives?  Everyday people (as Sly Stone says).  I see that nothing of this Ruhi stuff and the way the administration treats the community under them is good for individual believers.  A true tragedy:  People who became Baha&#039;is back in the 60s and 70s, when things were substantially better and there was some moderation and true spirituality in the community.  These people devoted their lives to the Faith and invested in it.  Many, many of those people are out of the Faith now.  They could not take the Orwellian turn the administration has taken, the downright mean attitude of the House and many of these supposed &#039;learned&#039; people.  I am one of these people and I&#039;ve been out of the Faith for many years.  You could put a gun to my head and I still would not re-join this religion.  To be honest, pulling the trigger would be better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose all this talk is fine and dandy, but it does not deal with real people and their spirituality and emotions &#8211; now (not a hundred years from now).  What good is religion if it does not elevate and benefit individual believers spiritual lives?&#8230;if it brings no peace to people, real people who are searching for spirituality and meaning in their lives?  Everyday people (as Sly Stone says).  I see that nothing of this Ruhi stuff and the way the administration treats the community under them is good for individual believers.  A true tragedy:  People who became Baha&#8217;is back in the 60s and 70s, when things were substantially better and there was some moderation and true spirituality in the community.  These people devoted their lives to the Faith and invested in it.  Many, many of those people are out of the Faith now.  They could not take the Orwellian turn the administration has taken, the downright mean attitude of the House and many of these supposed &#8216;learned&#8217; people.  I am one of these people and I&#8217;ve been out of the Faith for many years.  You could put a gun to my head and I still would not re-join this religion.  To be honest, pulling the trigger would be better.</p>
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		<title>By: Karmaniac</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/house-of-justice-letter-april-19-2007-response-to-nsa-us-342.html/comment-page-1#comment-77216</link>
		<dc:creator>Karmaniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 16:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose all this talk is fine and dandy, but it does not deal with real people and their spirituality and emotions - now (not a hundred years from now).  What good is religion if it does not elevate and benefit individual believers spiritual lives?...if it brings no peace to people, real people who are searching for spirituality and meaning in their lives?  Everyday people (as Sly Stone says).  I see that nothing of this Ruhi stuff and the way the administration treats the community under them is good for individual believers.  A true tragedy:  People who became Baha&#039;is back in the 60s and 70s, when things were substantially better and there was some moderation and true spirituality in the community.  These people devoted their lives to the Faith and invested in it.  Many, many of those people are out of the Faith now.  They could not take the Orwellian turn the administration has taken, the downright mean attitude of the House and many of these supposed &#039;learned&#039; people.  I am one of these people and I&#039;ve been out of the Faith for many years.  You could put a gun to my head and I still would not re-join this religion.  To be honest, pulling the trigger would be better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose all this talk is fine and dandy, but it does not deal with real people and their spirituality and emotions &#8211; now (not a hundred years from now).  What good is religion if it does not elevate and benefit individual believers spiritual lives?&#8230;if it brings no peace to people, real people who are searching for spirituality and meaning in their lives?  Everyday people (as Sly Stone says).  I see that nothing of this Ruhi stuff and the way the administration treats the community under them is good for individual believers.  A true tragedy:  People who became Baha&#8217;is back in the 60s and 70s, when things were substantially better and there was some moderation and true spirituality in the community.  These people devoted their lives to the Faith and invested in it.  Many, many of those people are out of the Faith now.  They could not take the Orwellian turn the administration has taken, the downright mean attitude of the House and many of these supposed &#8216;learned&#8217; people.  I am one of these people and I&#8217;ve been out of the Faith for many years.  You could put a gun to my head and I still would not re-join this religion.  To be honest, pulling the trigger would be better.</p>
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		<title>By: Reports Show Communities Ignoring Ruhi at Baha&#8217;i Rants</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/house-of-justice-letter-april-19-2007-response-to-nsa-us-342.html/comment-page-1#comment-50372</link>
		<dc:creator>Reports Show Communities Ignoring Ruhi at Baha&#8217;i Rants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 13:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If you have no idea what this is about, then this short summary should be illuminating. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Craig Parke</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/house-of-justice-letter-april-19-2007-response-to-nsa-us-342.html/comment-page-1#comment-36939</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Parke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 05:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Burning and Baquia,

I read the patient&#039;s &quot;conversion story&quot; (Study the common  screen writing 101 &quot;conversion story&quot; lines of 1943 WWII Hollywood propaganda movies - Johnny from Brooklyn complains about army life for 55 minutes and then he finally sees the light when his best friend takes a bullet through the head on the beach and then it&#039;s &quot;kill Japs all the way to Tokyo&quot; as the &quot;right thing to do&quot; then FADE TO BLACK with the Marine Corps Hymn rising in the background. ROLL CREDITS.)

(Sometimes they have a nice overlay of the dead U.S. troops killed in the film now alive and kind of marching back with the ranks at shoulder arms just above Johnny as he shows his new resolve. Our U.S. screenwriters got really good at variations on this story line during the war. But under the surface it was always the same movie for the folks back home)

If anything would have really happened to this woman from being left unattended, her lawyers would have just had that wound dresser hand over the keys to the hospital to her estate. How&#039;s THAT for &quot;responsible administration&quot;? Her estate would have easily won her case for malpractice in a court of law. Any good lawyer would have run with &quot;a medical person is supposed to be doing medicine, not administration&quot;. Bingo. $$$$ So much for &quot;Administration trumps all&quot; as a mantra in life.

I myself as a Baha&#039;i for 36 years believe that the UHJ is BOTH *factually* AND *morally* infallible even beyond the current iron fisted version of the doctrine as set forth by Peter Khan.

I totally believe the doctrine of UHJ infallibility as it is currently conceived. I am steadfastly with the program 110% in my faithfully following the UHJ on this.

The current UHJ of the Baha&#039;i Faith by top down limiting by decree the only permitted methods of Teaching the Faith has essentially infallibility declared that the Faith MUST FAIL everywhere in the world. The issue is as simple as that.  INFALLIBLE FAILURE has been demanded and INFALLIBLE FAILURE is what will be delivered by the worldwide Baha&#039;i community in complete and total obedience including me.

Counselor Murphy&#039;s reversed version of the Teachings will prevail and assure the infallibly commanded outcome.  I feel it IS the Will of God for the Baha&#039;i Faith and I will support it as commanded by the Institutions as a  Baha&#039;i in good standing. I support everything in the commanded plan.

Success is NOT an option in the current infallibly plan to absolute total failure!

I feel it is because the way is being prepared for this event somewhere down the road by the people who truly love the Teachings of Baha&#039;u&#039;llah for the individual liberation and empowerment of humanity across the planet Earth.

This Great Day will eventually come in the Baha&#039;i Faith:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8

Because the rise of the Internet is now going to change everything drop by drop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Burning and Baquia,</p>
<p>I read the patient&#8217;s &#8220;conversion story&#8221; (Study the common  screen writing 101 &#8220;conversion story&#8221; lines of 1943 WWII Hollywood propaganda movies &#8211; Johnny from Brooklyn complains about army life for 55 minutes and then he finally sees the light when his best friend takes a bullet through the head on the beach and then it&#8217;s &#8220;kill Japs all the way to Tokyo&#8221; as the &#8220;right thing to do&#8221; then FADE TO BLACK with the Marine Corps Hymn rising in the background. ROLL CREDITS.)</p>
<p>(Sometimes they have a nice overlay of the dead U.S. troops killed in the film now alive and kind of marching back with the ranks at shoulder arms just above Johnny as he shows his new resolve. Our U.S. screenwriters got really good at variations on this story line during the war. But under the surface it was always the same movie for the folks back home)</p>
<p>If anything would have really happened to this woman from being left unattended, her lawyers would have just had that wound dresser hand over the keys to the hospital to her estate. How&#8217;s THAT for &#8220;responsible administration&#8221;? Her estate would have easily won her case for malpractice in a court of law. Any good lawyer would have run with &#8220;a medical person is supposed to be doing medicine, not administration&#8221;. Bingo. $$$$ So much for &#8220;Administration trumps all&#8221; as a mantra in life.</p>
<p>I myself as a Baha&#8217;i for 36 years believe that the UHJ is BOTH *factually* AND *morally* infallible even beyond the current iron fisted version of the doctrine as set forth by Peter Khan.</p>
<p>I totally believe the doctrine of UHJ infallibility as it is currently conceived. I am steadfastly with the program 110% in my faithfully following the UHJ on this.</p>
<p>The current UHJ of the Baha&#8217;i Faith by top down limiting by decree the only permitted methods of Teaching the Faith has essentially infallibility declared that the Faith MUST FAIL everywhere in the world. The issue is as simple as that.  INFALLIBLE FAILURE has been demanded and INFALLIBLE FAILURE is what will be delivered by the worldwide Baha&#8217;i community in complete and total obedience including me.</p>
<p>Counselor Murphy&#8217;s reversed version of the Teachings will prevail and assure the infallibly commanded outcome.  I feel it IS the Will of God for the Baha&#8217;i Faith and I will support it as commanded by the Institutions as a  Baha&#8217;i in good standing. I support everything in the commanded plan.</p>
<p>Success is NOT an option in the current infallibly plan to absolute total failure!</p>
<p>I feel it is because the way is being prepared for this event somewhere down the road by the people who truly love the Teachings of Baha&#8217;u'llah for the individual liberation and empowerment of humanity across the planet Earth.</p>
<p>This Great Day will eventually come in the Baha&#8217;i Faith:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8</a></p>
<p>Because the rise of the Internet is now going to change everything drop by drop.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Parke</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/house-of-justice-letter-april-19-2007-response-to-nsa-us-342.html/comment-page-1#comment-77215</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Parke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 05:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Burning and Baquia,

I read the patient&#039;s &quot;conversion story&quot; (Study the common  screen writing 101 &quot;conversion story&quot; lines of 1943 WWII Hollywood propaganda movies - Johnny from Brooklyn complains about army life for 55 minutes and then he finally sees the light when his best friend takes a bullet through the head on the beach and then it&#039;s &quot;kill Japs all the way to Tokyo&quot; as the &quot;right thing to do&quot; then FADE TO BLACK with the Marine Corps Hymn rising in the background. ROLL CREDITS.)

(Sometimes they have a nice overlay of the dead U.S. troops killed in the film now alive and kind of marching back with the ranks at shoulder arms just above Johnny as he shows his new resolve. Our U.S. screenwriters got really good at variations on this story line during the war. But under the surface it was always the same movie for the folks back home)

If anything would have really happened to this woman from being left unattended, her lawyers would have just had that wound dresser hand over the keys to the hospital to her estate. How&#039;s THAT for &quot;responsible administration&quot;? Her estate would have easily won her case for malpractice in a court of law. Any good lawyer would have run with &quot;a medical person is supposed to be doing medicine, not administration&quot;. Bingo. $$$$ So much for &quot;Administration trumps all&quot; as a mantra in life.

I myself as a Baha&#039;i for 36 years believe that the UHJ is BOTH *factually* AND *morally* infallible even beyond the current iron fisted version of the doctrine as set forth by Peter Khan.

I totally believe the doctrine of UHJ infallibility as it is currently conceived. I am steadfastly with the program 110% in my faithfully following the UHJ on this.

The current UHJ of the Baha&#039;i Faith by top down limiting by decree the only permitted methods of Teaching the Faith has essentially infallibility declared that the Faith MUST FAIL everywhere in the world. The issue is as simple as that.  INFALLIBLE FAILURE has been demanded and INFALLIBLE FAILURE is what will be delivered by the worldwide Baha&#039;i community in complete and total obedience including me.

Counselor Murphy&#039;s reversed version of the Teachings will prevail and assure the infallibly commanded outcome.  I feel it IS the Will of God for the Baha&#039;i Faith and I will support it as commanded by the Institutions as a  Baha&#039;i in good standing. I support everything in the commanded plan.

Success is NOT an option in the current infallibly plan to absolute total failure!

I feel it is because the way is being prepared for this event somewhere down the road by the people who truly love the Teachings of Baha&#039;u&#039;llah for the individual liberation and empowerment of humanity across the planet Earth.

This Great Day will eventually come in the Baha&#039;i Faith:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8

Because the rise of the Internet is now going to change everything drop by drop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Burning and Baquia,</p>
<p>I read the patient&#8217;s &#8220;conversion story&#8221; (Study the common  screen writing 101 &#8220;conversion story&#8221; lines of 1943 WWII Hollywood propaganda movies &#8211; Johnny from Brooklyn complains about army life for 55 minutes and then he finally sees the light when his best friend takes a bullet through the head on the beach and then it&#8217;s &#8220;kill Japs all the way to Tokyo&#8221; as the &#8220;right thing to do&#8221; then FADE TO BLACK with the Marine Corps Hymn rising in the background. ROLL CREDITS.)</p>
<p>(Sometimes they have a nice overlay of the dead U.S. troops killed in the film now alive and kind of marching back with the ranks at shoulder arms just above Johnny as he shows his new resolve. Our U.S. screenwriters got really good at variations on this story line during the war. But under the surface it was always the same movie for the folks back home)</p>
<p>If anything would have really happened to this woman from being left unattended, her lawyers would have just had that wound dresser hand over the keys to the hospital to her estate. How&#8217;s THAT for &#8220;responsible administration&#8221;? Her estate would have easily won her case for malpractice in a court of law. Any good lawyer would have run with &#8220;a medical person is supposed to be doing medicine, not administration&#8221;. Bingo. $$$$ So much for &#8220;Administration trumps all&#8221; as a mantra in life.</p>
<p>I myself as a Baha&#8217;i for 36 years believe that the UHJ is BOTH *factually* AND *morally* infallible even beyond the current iron fisted version of the doctrine as set forth by Peter Khan.</p>
<p>I totally believe the doctrine of UHJ infallibility as it is currently conceived. I am steadfastly with the program 110% in my faithfully following the UHJ on this.</p>
<p>The current UHJ of the Baha&#8217;i Faith by top down limiting by decree the only permitted methods of Teaching the Faith has essentially infallibility declared that the Faith MUST FAIL everywhere in the world. The issue is as simple as that.  INFALLIBLE FAILURE has been demanded and INFALLIBLE FAILURE is what will be delivered by the worldwide Baha&#8217;i community in complete and total obedience including me.</p>
<p>Counselor Murphy&#8217;s reversed version of the Teachings will prevail and assure the infallibly commanded outcome.  I feel it IS the Will of God for the Baha&#8217;i Faith and I will support it as commanded by the Institutions as a  Baha&#8217;i in good standing. I support everything in the commanded plan.</p>
<p>Success is NOT an option in the current infallibly plan to absolute total failure!</p>
<p>I feel it is because the way is being prepared for this event somewhere down the road by the people who truly love the Teachings of Baha&#8217;u'llah for the individual liberation and empowerment of humanity across the planet Earth.</p>
<p>This Great Day will eventually come in the Baha&#8217;i Faith:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8</a></p>
<p>Because the rise of the Internet is now going to change everything drop by drop.</p>
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		<title>By: Baquia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baquia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 03:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you &#039;burning&#039;, I read the thread and I gather you are referring to the hospital story contained therein. Can&#039;t say I agree. The specialist was clearly negligent and by their negligence put a patient in unnecessary risk.

She can contort her view into all manner of pretzels but it does not change that. However, if we use it as an analogy re the idea expressed by Counsellor Murphy we find that it fails utterly.

For one, it is in direct opposition to Baha&#039;u&#039;llah&#039;s own words. Second, if we do somersaults to accomodate Murphy&#039;s words, then why do not do the same for other Baha&#039;is? People like McKenny, McGlinn, Cole, MacEoin? Walbridge? Marshall? etc.... 

Why is Counsellor Murphy due a heaping portion of mental gymnastics to somehow bring her diametrically opposite view of things into alignment with Baha&#039;u&#039;llah, if the others are not? Is it justice that the others are thrown out on their ears while Counsellor Murphy receives no consequence? even to retract or explain her ridiculous statement?

Or have we stepped into &#039;1984&#039; where words have no meaning? where &#039;war&#039; is peace?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you &#8216;burning&#8217;, I read the thread and I gather you are referring to the hospital story contained therein. Can&#8217;t say I agree. The specialist was clearly negligent and by their negligence put a patient in unnecessary risk.</p>
<p>She can contort her view into all manner of pretzels but it does not change that. However, if we use it as an analogy re the idea expressed by Counsellor Murphy we find that it fails utterly.</p>
<p>For one, it is in direct opposition to Baha&#8217;u'llah&#8217;s own words. Second, if we do somersaults to accomodate Murphy&#8217;s words, then why do not do the same for other Baha&#8217;is? People like McKenny, McGlinn, Cole, MacEoin? Walbridge? Marshall? etc&#8230;. </p>
<p>Why is Counsellor Murphy due a heaping portion of mental gymnastics to somehow bring her diametrically opposite view of things into alignment with Baha&#8217;u'llah, if the others are not? Is it justice that the others are thrown out on their ears while Counsellor Murphy receives no consequence? even to retract or explain her ridiculous statement?</p>
<p>Or have we stepped into &#8217;1984&#8242; where words have no meaning? where &#8216;war&#8217; is peace?</p>
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