How to Get Elected to Baha’i Institutions

The dysfunction that I’ve witnessed in Baha’i institutions is both tragic and awe inspiring. Like many Baha’is I assumed that the institutions were there to help, protect and to serve the community. Had I not been witness to them, there was a point where I would simply not have believed the things that I saw. In the second stage, I grasped at the hope that the dysfunction was isolated to the lowest rung (LSAs) or to a geographic area. But soon, I saw that this was not so. I won’t go into the details now because I’ve already talked about it a few times. Needless to say, there is something very wrong here. And it is hurting the Baha’i community severely. Yet we trundle along, managing to ignore it for the most part.

I often think about why things are as they are. Part of it is our propensity to not take cold hard looks at ourselves as a community to evaluate the results we are achieving. Part of it is the culture that prevents any and all feedback, especially if it is remotely negative. Such feedback is seen as criticism and an attack on the institutions – no matter that it be truthful and delivered with loving intentions.

Part of the problem is that the same people are elected to the same positions year after year. This causes a host of problems from feelings of entitlement, to rigid group think, to the creation of little fiefdoms. Part of the problem may be that we haven’t been able to counter a social framework that has a bias for incompetent but loud members. I read this article in Times magazine and was immediately struck by how much of it reflected what was going on in the Baha’i institutions:

“Dominant individuals behaved in ways that made them appear competent,” the researchers write, “above and beyond their actual competence.” Troublingly, group members seemed only too willing to follow these underqualified bosses.

The only way I can think of to counter these harmful built-in biases is to create a culture of transparency (something which is completely lacking in the Baha’i Faith right now), to create a sense of accountability, to institute term limits that would bring in new faces and ideas to the table, to ask the community to give feedback to the institutions and to respond to it adequately – even if it means admitting mistakes.

On the other hand, if you can’t beat them, join them!

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How to Get Elected to Baha’i Institutions

Step 1
Wear nice clothes and be clean-cut.

Step 2
Attend every single Baha’i function and meeting. When you do, go around the room shaking hands and greet everyone by name. You should attend every single Ruhi book course – even if you’ve already taken it 4 times before.

Kick things into high gear when the new year rolls around. From January to April, you should be seen and heard by every single Baha’i in your community.

Step 3
Try to get on a high-profile committee that would give you as much public exposure as possible. Don’t toil away in the background doing actual work where no one can see you. For example, become a tutor and then get on the institute board. Or get on the feast committee so you can get face time with the whole community.

Step 4
As you walk around, casually carry with you a well-worn Baha’i book at all times -Creating a New Mind is trendy. Or try a Ruhi book. If anyone asks you about it, look away wistfully and say you’re re-reading it and every time you do, you get something new out of it.

Step 5
Speak up whenever there is a remote chance of an audience. Give mini-speeches, suggestions, pontificate or just ramble. Always have an opinion. And share it. It doesn’t matter that it is completely wrong. Just be forceful and revel in your own ignorance.

Can’t think of anything to say? Don’t worry. Just memorize some Baha’i-speak. Blurt out that “we need to prioritize capacity building and share learnings to implement the framework for action so that our pyramid advances us into A-cluster status”. It doesn’t matter that what you just said makes no sense. All that matters is that you use the vocabulary of the International Teaching Center. And say it with confidence. In other words, channel Paul Lample.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/SteveMarshall SteveMarshall

    Hi Baquia,

    You wrote:
    Just memorize some Baha’i-speak.

    But that’s hard work! Cue the Ridvan 2007 Mission Statement Generator.

    Sample:
    "We coherently bring guidance-focused collaboration and idea-sharing so that we may ultimately consolidate instrumental grass-roots models of capacity-building to incorporate them into the life of the community."

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/SteveMarshall SteveMarshall

    Hi Baquia,

    You wrote:
    Just memorize some Baha’i-speak.

    But that’s hard work! Cue the Ridvan 2007 Mission Statement Generator.

    Sample:
    "We coherently bring guidance-focused collaboration and idea-sharing so that we may ultimately consolidate instrumental grass-roots models of capacity-building to incorporate them into the life of the community."

  • Kurt

    So that's how to get elected. Had I only known! Seriously, isn't dysfunction symtomatic of disintegration, perhaps for the better? In some ways, isn't that why Ruhi and Regional Councils descended on us? Religions evolve and take on characteristics that were perhaps not intended. Focusing on the Spirit of it is the challenge and the joy! For what it's worth.

  • Kurt

    So that's how to get elected. Had I only known! Seriously, isn't dysfunction symtomatic of disintegration, perhaps for the better? In some ways, isn't that why Ruhi and Regional Councils descended on us? Religions evolve and take on characteristics that were perhaps not intended. Focusing on the Spirit of it is the challenge and the joy! For what it's worth.

  • Prion

    This just shows that there's nothing divine or supernatural about the Baha'i blueprint, just another system created by a fallible human being, operated by fallible human beings.

  • Prion

    This just shows that there's nothing divine or supernatural about the Baha'i blueprint, just another system created by a fallible human being, operated by fallible human beings.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Baquia Baquia

    The form and nature of Baha'i administration has been in flux since its inception. The issue is that we've been stagnating a bit here and it shows. Time to move in the right direction again.

    Here's another interesting research study:

    In a series of studies, Dr. Kruger and Dr. Dunning tested their theory of incompetence. They found that subjects who scored in the lowest quartile on tests of logic, English grammar and humor were also the most likely to "grossly overestimate" how well they had performed.
    http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/science/h

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Baquia Baquia

    The form and nature of Baha'i administration has been in flux since its inception. The issue is that we've been stagnating a bit here and it shows. Time to move in the right direction again.

    Here's another interesting research study:

    In a series of studies, Dr. Kruger and Dr. Dunning tested their theory of incompetence. They found that subjects who scored in the lowest quartile on tests of logic, English grammar and humor were also the most likely to "grossly overestimate" how well they had performed.
    http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/science/h

  • farhan

    Baquia, to remedy these behaviours it takes time and generations. As you rightly point out, the Baha'i communities, in many ways, are tinted by the current behaviours they are steeped into around them; this is why it is so important to refer constantly to the writings, immerse ourselves daily, even learn them by heart, convey them in their pure form to others, so that from generation to generation we can progress and break away from these accepted standards that influence us from the world around us; we cannot throw away members of a community that is earnestly trying to improve just because it has not completed its growth and makes mistakes, can we?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/farhan farhan

    Baquia, to remedy these behaviours it takes time and generations. As you rightly point out, the Baha'i communities, in many ways, are tinted by the current behaviours they are steeped into around them; this is why it is so important to refer constantly to the writings, immerse ourselves daily, even learn them by heart, convey them in their pure form to others, so that from generation to generation we can progress and break away from these accepted standards that influence us from the world around us; we cannot throw away members of a community that is earnestly trying to improve just because it has not completed its growth and makes mistakes, can we?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Baquia Baquia

    An important prerequisite for growth is realizing that it is needed. This is why I discuss uncomfortable topics like this one. I have yet to see it addressed full on by a community or institution. But that is where growth starts. We tend to forget that growth is painful and uncomfortable. The seed cracks and breaks apart to nurture the young shoot that grows out of it. So if we want to grow, we must seek out 'painful' opportunities.

    I've attended many 'Reflection' meetings that are now part of the 'cycles of growth'. Sadly they are stale and never really live up to their name. The community looks up to the institutions for leadership but they are adamantly against any mirror being held up to them.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Baquia Baquia

    An important prerequisite for growth is realizing that it is needed. This is why I discuss uncomfortable topics like this one. I have yet to see it addressed full on by a community or institution. But that is where growth starts. We tend to forget that growth is painful and uncomfortable. The seed cracks and breaks apart to nurture the young shoot that grows out of it. So if we want to grow, we must seek out 'painful' opportunities.

    I've attended many 'Reflection' meetings that are now part of the 'cycles of growth'. Sadly they are stale and never really live up to their name. The community looks up to the institutions for leadership but they are adamantly against any mirror being held up to them.

  • pey

    Shakespeare is easier to dechiper.

  • pey

    Shakespeare is easier to dechiper.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Baquia Baquia

    The form and nature of Baha'i administration has been in flux since its inception. The issue is that we've been stagnating a bit here and it shows. Time to move in the right direction again.

    Here's another interesting research study:

    In a series of studies, Dr. Kruger and Dr. Dunning tested their theory of incompetence. They found that subjects who scored in the lowest quartile on tests of logic, English grammar and humor were also the most likely to "grossly overestimate" how well they had performed.
    NY Times Article

    We have competent people wringing their hands and hemming-hawing, while the incompetent, loud-mouths literally take over. This is happening all over, including the Baha'i institutions. Question is, how do you remedy it?

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Baquia Baquia

    The form and nature of Baha'i administration has been in flux since its inception. The issue is that we've been stagnating a bit here and it shows. Time to move in the right direction again.

    Here's another interesting research study:

    In a series of studies, Dr. Kruger and Dr. Dunning tested their theory of incompetence. They found that subjects who scored in the lowest quartile on tests of logic, English grammar and humor were also the most likely to "grossly overestimate" how well they had performed.
    NY Times Article

    We have competent people wringing their hands and hemming-hawing, while the incompetent, loud-mouths literally take over. This is happening all over, including the Baha'i institutions. Question is, how do you remedy it?

  • farhan

    Baquia wrote: The community looks up to the institutions for leadership but they are adamantly against any mirror being held up to them.

    Well, it will take time to be cured from the need of a guru, perhaps generations, before we realise that the function of institutions is not to the work for us, but to coordinate our efforts at grass roots. We still see Baha’is waiting for institutions to lead them, do the work for them, in the same way as they expect their elected politicians who have accessed a position of privilege to “repay” them, and blame them if something goes wrong or is left undone, hoping to change society by changing the leaders; this is also a snare for our elected or appointed members who might feel responsible to their electors, instead of feeling responsible to their conscience.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/farhan farhan

    Baquia wrote: The community looks up to the institutions for leadership but they are adamantly against any mirror being held up to them.

    Well, it will take time to be cured from the need of a guru, perhaps generations, before we realise that the function of institutions is not to the work for us, but to coordinate our efforts at grass roots. We still see Baha’is waiting for institutions to lead them, do the work for them, in the same way as they expect their elected politicians who have accessed a position of privilege to “repay” them, and blame them if something goes wrong or is left undone, hoping to change society by changing the leaders; this is also a snare for our elected or appointed members who might feel responsible to their electors, instead of feeling responsible to their conscience.

  • Craig Parke

    Wrong Farhan. See Douglas Martin's speech. Individual personal conscience is now COMPLETELY FORBIDDEN in the Baha'i Faith. You do what you are told to do as an automaton devoid of all personal thought. Your own personal will must be subservient to the personal opinions of nine men in Haifa. What Baha'u'llah had to say about anything does not count either. It is what they say that goes in every personal situation of everyone on Earth.

    I don't know where you get these ideas about what is wrong with the world. I always did thinks on my own in the Baha'i Faith. i recognized long ago that the institutions of the Faith were completely immature. It will take at least 1,000 years before these people can do the simplest thoughtful task. So the choice now is rote memorization. the Faith now does not permit any individual effort at all. The AO wants to dependence upon them. The current reality is quite different then what you are saying. There used to be plenty of individual initiative and effort in the Faith. Anything not of top down group think is forbidden. See the letter from the UHJ to the US NSA after their October 2007 Convention Report. there is a link on BR here somewhere.

    Individual conscience is now forbidden per the Sacred Holy Word of former UHJ member Douglas Martin. And the the word of any current or former UHJ member trumps all including the words of Baha'u'llah. They are the Head of the Faith and what they say goes. Period. No discussion.

    What you say in your post is utter baloney! That may be the political conditions in France. But not in the United States. People just elected a new President by total individual initiative and mobilization at the grass roots. They took diract action themselves here. Where were you in France when all this was going on? How did you miss the story? Do you have TV?

  • Craig Parke

    Wrong Farhan. See Douglas Martin's speech. Individual personal conscience is now COMPLETELY FORBIDDEN in the Baha'i Faith. You do what you are told to do as an automaton devoid of all personal thought. Your own personal will must be subservient to the personal opinions of nine men in Haifa. What Baha'u'llah had to say about anything does not count either. It is what they say that goes in every personal situation of everyone on Earth.

    I don't know where you get these ideas about what is wrong with the world. I always did thinks on my own in the Baha'i Faith. i recognized long ago that the institutions of the Faith were completely immature. It will take at least 1,000 years before these people can do the simplest thoughtful task. So the choice now is rote memorization. the Faith now does not permit any individual effort at all. The AO wants to dependence upon them. The current reality is quite different then what you are saying. There used to be plenty of individual initiative and effort in the Faith. Anything not of top down group think is forbidden. See the letter from the UHJ to the US NSA after their October 2007 Convention Report. there is a link on BR here somewhere.

    Individual conscience is now forbidden per the Sacred Holy Word of former UHJ member Douglas Martin. And the the word of any current or former UHJ member trumps all including the words of Baha'u'llah. They are the Head of the Faith and what they say goes. Period. No discussion.

    What you say in your post is utter baloney! That may be the political conditions in France. But not in the United States. People just elected a new President by total individual initiative and mobilization at the grass roots. They took diract action themselves here. Where were you in France when all this was going on? How did you miss the story? Do you have TV?

  • Craig Parke

    Farhan, there are many people on Earth now far more advanced spiritually than the Baha'is. You need to get out more and meet new and different people.

  • Craig Parke

    Farhan, there are many people on Earth now far more advanced spiritually than the Baha'is. You need to get out more and meet new and different people.

  • Grover

    "Not only do they reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the ability to realize it,"

    Hahahaha! That sums up the Baha'i Administration in a nutshell.

  • Grover

    "Not only do they reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the ability to realize it,"

    Hahahaha! That sums up the Baha'i Administration in a nutshell.

  • Craig Parke

    "We have inherited a dangerous delusion from Christianity that our individual conscience is supreme. This is not a Baha'i belief. In the end, in the context of both our role in the community and our role in the greater world, we must be prepared to sacrifice our personal convictions or opinions. The belief that individual conscience is supreme is equivalent to 'taking partners with God' which is abhorrent to the Teachings of the Faith."

    Douglas Martin
    Former Member of the Universal House of Justice
    Baha'i Faith

    So individual conscience is now OUT in the top down Politburo Comintern Faith even though both Baha'u'llah and Abdu'l-Baha taught the Divine holiness of sacred individual conscience.

    Shoghi Effendi even specifically wrote that members on Baha'i Institutions must abide by their own individual conscience to make decisions in conducting the affairs of the Faith. But if individual conscience is now forbidden so people just abide by what the members of the UHJ tell them what to think and what to do in the place of their own individual thinking how can that be in accordance with the original Teachings of the Faith? It is another new amazing Catch-22 in the ever expanding cognitive dissonance of the Faith.

    You are told to use your conscience when being a member of the UHJ by the Writings but the New Think put out by individual members of the UHJ in their speeches to the automaton Ruhiized rank and file is that individual conscience is forbidden.

    So then how can THEY THEMSELVES as members of the UHJ make decisions by individual conscience? Yes. No. Yes. No. What? Huh? Can anyone explain how you are supposed to think and conduct yourself in the NEW THINK Baha'i Faith?

  • Craig Parke

    "We have inherited a dangerous delusion from Christianity that our individual conscience is supreme. This is not a Baha'i belief. In the end, in the context of both our role in the community and our role in the greater world, we must be prepared to sacrifice our personal convictions or opinions. The belief that individual conscience is supreme is equivalent to 'taking partners with God' which is abhorrent to the Teachings of the Faith."

    Douglas Martin
    Former Member of the Universal House of Justice
    Baha'i Faith

    So individual conscience is now OUT in the top down Politburo Comintern Faith even though both Baha'u'llah and Abdu'l-Baha taught the Divine holiness of sacred individual conscience.

    Shoghi Effendi even specifically wrote that members on Baha'i Institutions must abide by their own individual conscience to make decisions in conducting the affairs of the Faith. But if individual conscience is now forbidden so people just abide by what the members of the UHJ tell them what to think and what to do in the place of their own individual thinking how can that be in accordance with the original Teachings of the Faith? It is another new amazing Catch-22 in the ever expanding cognitive dissonance of the Faith.

    You are told to use your conscience when being a member of the UHJ by the Writings but the New Think put out by individual members of the UHJ in their speeches to the automaton Ruhiized rank and file is that individual conscience is forbidden.

    So then how can THEY THEMSELVES as members of the UHJ make decisions by individual conscience? Yes. No. Yes. No. What? Huh? Can anyone explain how you are supposed to think and conduct yourself in the NEW THINK Baha'i Faith?

  • farhan

    raig wrote: Individual personal conscience is now COMPLETELY FORBIDDEN in the Baha'i Faith.
    Farhan: This is pure invention. Individual initiative is highly prized in the Baha’i Faith; Institutions are only there to harmonise individual action. Have a look at the UHJ compilation “Unlocking the Power of Action” available on this blog and at: http://www.bahai-library.org/compilations/unlocki
    Craig: I recognized long ago that the institutions of the Faith were completely immature.
    Farhan: What do you do with immature institutions? Help them grow lovingly, or stifle them in the bud?
    Craig: It will take at least 1,000 years before these people can do the simplest thoughtful task.
    Farhan: In your opinion, are the Baha’is actually worse than others? If so, does the Faith attract immature people or do they become so in contact with the Faith?
    Craig: Individual conscience is now forbidden per the Sacred Holy Word of former UHJ member Douglas Martin.
    Farhan: This is not true, Craig. It is vital that we have unity of action in our collective enterprises, but this does not rule out all individual actions that do not contradict the collective actions.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/farhan farhan

    raig wrote: Individual personal conscience is now COMPLETELY FORBIDDEN in the Baha'i Faith.
    Farhan: This is pure invention. Individual initiative is highly prized in the Baha’i Faith; Institutions are only there to harmonise individual action. Have a look at the UHJ compilation “Unlocking the Power of Action” available on this blog and at: http://www.bahai-library.org/compilations/unlocki
    Craig: I recognized long ago that the institutions of the Faith were completely immature.
    Farhan: What do you do with immature institutions? Help them grow lovingly, or stifle them in the bud?
    Craig: It will take at least 1,000 years before these people can do the simplest thoughtful task.
    Farhan: In your opinion, are the Baha’is actually worse than others? If so, does the Faith attract immature people or do they become so in contact with the Faith?
    Craig: Individual conscience is now forbidden per the Sacred Holy Word of former UHJ member Douglas Martin.
    Farhan: This is not true, Craig. It is vital that we have unity of action in our collective enterprises, but this does not rule out all individual actions that do not contradict the collective actions.

  • farhan

    Craig wrote: Farhan, there are many people on Earth now far more advanced spiritually than the Baha'is. You need to get out more and meet new and different people.

    How do you define “spiritually advanced”, Craig? I know a lot of wonderful people, many of them better than Baha’is I know, but at the same time, I believe that we will not get over the present crisis if all these wonderful individuals can not become organised to work together. What Baha’u’llah is working at is harmonising the efforts of all these wonderful people.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/farhan farhan

    Craig wrote: Farhan, there are many people on Earth now far more advanced spiritually than the Baha'is. You need to get out more and meet new and different people.

    How do you define “spiritually advanced”, Craig? I know a lot of wonderful people, many of them better than Baha’is I know, but at the same time, I believe that we will not get over the present crisis if all these wonderful individuals can not become organised to work together. What Baha’u’llah is working at is harmonising the efforts of all these wonderful people.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/farhan farhan

    Craig wrote: The belief that individual conscience is supreme is equivalent to 'taking partners with God' (snip) So individual conscience is now OUT

    No Craig, where on earth did you get such ideas? The idea is that each individual can be self sufficient, BUT to be efficient, he has to harmonise his efforts with his brethren: this is new in religious history because religions such as Christianity focalised on personal attainments and redemption. In this collective action, a personal opinion should not become sovereign and override the interests of society. It is similar to Kennedy’s phrase “do not ask what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country”.
    Craig: Can anyone explain how you are supposed to think and conduct yourself in the NEW THINK Baha'i Faith?
    Farhan: there is no “new think”. The “change of culture” concerns our collective effort concerns the idea that we don’t have gurus, and we will never have any, we have no priests, but the services once rendered to society by priests are those that every Baha’i is responsible to undertake, that those who feel inadequate for such services can now go through a teacher training programme, in their activities Baha’is must not be self serving, but should aim at serving humanity, the community must not be self-centred, but with an outward looking orientation, all these new activities being open to Baha’is and non-Baha’is alike and in fact in some countries, more non-Baha’is run them. All this is detailed in the document “Building Momentum”.

    However, yes, by all means we have had some random individuals who misunderstood and, as you describe, did act as “apparatchiks” but all this is now over.

  • farhan

    Grover wrote: their incompetence robs them of the ability to realize it

    Grover, which administration would you refer to as an ideal example? Dont you think that all collective efforts are difficult, Do you know many administrations that bring together such a vast variety of races, cultures and walks of life?

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/farhan farhan

    Grover wrote: their incompetence robs them of the ability to realize it

    Grover, which administration would you refer to as an ideal example? Dont you think that all collective efforts are difficult, Do you know many administrations that bring together such a vast variety of races, cultures and walks of life?

  • farhan

    Kurt, we have to differentiate between individual expertise and virtues and our capacity to harmonise those capacities. Yes, in that sense, the institute process clearly aims at helping us acquire the talents for collective action and service oriented activities, which benefit society. This is a change in culture for people who up to now had considered religion as a personal achievement.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/farhan farhan

    Kurt, we have to differentiate between individual expertise and virtues and our capacity to harmonise those capacities. Yes, in that sense, the institute process clearly aims at helping us acquire the talents for collective action and service oriented activities, which benefit society. This is a change in culture for people who up to now had considered religion as a personal achievement.

  • Grover

    Yes, universities. And they do a hell of a better job than the Baha'i Faith and they show a hell of a lot more concern for education, human rights, ethics and so on.

  • Grover

    Baha'u'llah is dead.

  • Grover

    Yes, universities. And they do a hell of a better job than the Baha'i Faith and they show a hell of a lot more concern for education, human rights, ethics and so on.

  • Grover

    Baha'u'llah is dead.

  • Grover

    Actually, you know who parallel's the Baha'i Administration for spinning bullshit? The Bush administration. Hopefully Obama, may peace and blessings be upon him, does a lot better job.

  • Grover

    Actually, you know who parallel's the Baha'i Administration for spinning bullshit? The Bush administration. Hopefully Obama, may peace and blessings be upon him, does a lot better job.

  • Grover

    Farhan, have you been naughty and been voting for yourself?

  • Grover

    Farhan, have you been naughty and been voting for yourself?

  • Craig Parke

    Farhan,

    Thank you for your reply. So then explain to me line by line what Douglas Martin is saying here?

    Because what I get is that the "collective" organization "group think" comes first over the "individual" conscience. And the Head of the Baha'i collective is the UHJ. So since the Baha'i Faith no longer teaches the sacredness of individual human conscience even though I thought Baha'u'llah, Abdu'l-Baha , and Shoghi Effendi all did, if the UHJ that is the "Head of the collective" tells the Baha'is of the world to round up all the Jews and kill them in concentration camps or round up all the gays and kill them too no individual can oppose it because that would be them making themselves "partners with God" because the UHJ is the now the "Sign of God" and the "Voice of God" on Earth. I have had Ruhiized Baha'is tell me that. It scares the hell out of me. This is very dangerous thinking.

    I honestly think that if the UHJ told these people to kill their parents or kill their children they would mindlessly do it as automatons. Not me.I would refuse to do it. I would not follow the group think. I would not kill Jews, or gays, or my parents, or my children because the UHJ told me to do it because it is against my individual sacred conscience. I would refuse to do it.

    But from what he is saying, to the UHJ and the top down "New think" Baha'i Faith if you refused to mindlessly kill Jews, gays, your parents, or your children as ordered by the Institutions of the Faith because of your conscience you have made your self "partners with God". I am not buying this new doctrine. I just am not. The individual conscience is sacred and comes before anything collective.

    The collective has murdered tens of millions of human beings in human history. I say Princes of the Baha'i Faith like Canadian Theorist Little Lord Fauntleroy Lifetime Incumbent Douglas Martin can go to hell.

    That is just how I see it and I am not tolerating or putting up with any of this baloney coming from these completely embarrassing hacks.

    I am murdering no one if I am told to do so by some amoral ideological collective whether they call it a political party or a religion. My will belongs to me. Not some hapless, incompetent organization that says I am supposed to turn my soul and conscience over to a group to do my thinking for me.

    That has been incredibly dangerous in human history. No. Never.

  • Craig Parke

    Farhan,

    Thank you for your reply. So then explain to me line by line what Douglas Martin is saying here?

    Because what I get is that the "collective" organization "group think" comes first over the "individual" conscience. And the Head of the Baha'i collective is the UHJ. So since the Baha'i Faith no longer teaches the sacredness of individual human conscience even though I thought Baha'u'llah, Abdu'l-Baha , and Shoghi Effendi all did, if the UHJ that is the "Head of the collective" tells the Baha'is of the world to round up all the Jews and kill them in concentration camps or round up all the gays and kill them too no individual can oppose it because that would be them making themselves "partners with God" because the UHJ is the now the "Sign of God" and the "Voice of God" on Earth. I have had Ruhiized Baha'is tell me that. It scares the hell out of me. This is very dangerous thinking.

    I honestly think that if the UHJ told these people to kill their parents or kill their children they would mindlessly do it as automatons. Not me.I would refuse to do it. I would not follow the group think. I would not kill Jews, or gays, or my parents, or my children because the UHJ told me to do it because it is against my individual sacred conscience. I would refuse to do it.

    But from what he is saying, to the UHJ and the top down "New think" Baha'i Faith if you refused to mindlessly kill Jews, gays, your parents, or your children as ordered by the Institutions of the Faith because of your conscience you have made your self "partners with God". I am not buying this new doctrine. I just am not. The individual conscience is sacred and comes before anything collective.

    The collective has murdered tens of millions of human beings in human history. I say Princes of the Baha'i Faith like Canadian Theorist Little Lord Fauntleroy Lifetime Incumbent Douglas Martin can go to hell.

    That is just how I see it and I am not tolerating or putting up with any of this baloney coming from these completely embarrassing hacks.

    I am murdering no one if I am told to do so by some amoral ideological collective whether they call it a political party or a religion. My will belongs to me. Not some hapless, incompetent organization that says I am supposed to turn my soul and conscience over to a group to do my thinking for me.

    That has been incredibly dangerous in human history. No. Never.

  • Craig Parke

    Farhan,

    I think this group of people following the inner guidance of their own hearts without having to take fill in the blank highly supervised top down workbook courses are doing just fine. I think they are advancing the principles of the Free Born World Age far more than the people having to take endless workbook courses for thousands of years before they can do anything, anywhere, to help the world situation in their lifetime.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjnygQ02aW4

    For one thing there are probably only about a million Baha'is in the world if even that as many people have pointed out. In just one place on Earth here there are two million people. The Baha'is discount all that grass roots bottom up energy because it did not come from their top down controlling organization. The Baha'is teach (at least the New Think Ruhiized Baha'is) that Western forms of government are corrupt and hopeless. The Baha'is mock this kind of grass roots organizing and inner directed effort.

    And so the Baha'i Faith organization has failed in every crisis of the past Century (WWI, the Great Depression,WWII, Korea, Vietnam, etc, etc, just to name one thread of history. There are many more from the perspective of other nations. The Baha'is will continue to repeatedly fail in every crisis and the current world economic crisis too. It is a record of amazing world class consistently sustained spectacular failure generation after generation. The Baha'i Faith literally wrote the book on both individual and collective failure so far. The organization is masters of this. Why? Because the Baha'is feel they and they alone have the power to achieve anything worthwhile in the entrire world. They believe that nobody else counts in their efforts.

    Planetary change will come form many different groups uniting bottom up for the very real common purpose of solving the problems facing the world. The Baha'is are only concerned with top down rote control.

    I once believed with all my heart that the Baha'is would help lead that change. I was wrong. I was terribly, terribly absolutely dead wrong. Spectacularly wrong. The Baha'is will never unite with others because they, as an organization have to top down control everything themselves. So they will continue to miss out on everything positive happening in the world and will eventually collapse broken and alone from the other bottom up energies of the world liberated as the Free Born World Age progresses.

    If you want a specific spiritual example, I would suggest these people:

    http://abwoon.infosaic15.com/shop/

    they are doing the spiritual work of building bridges of the rank and file of the Baha'i Faith were permitted to think and speak unfettered by top down control group think. These people are absolutely beautiful! Those two million people on the National Mall in Washington D.C. of all races and colors as Americans were absolutely beautiful despite what ANY member of the UHJ says against it!

    The Baha'is are now going to be completely left in the dust because we are led by completely mentally ill lifetime incumbent morons.

    So it goes.

  • Craig Parke

    Farhan,

    I think this group of people following the inner guidance of their own hearts without having to take fill in the blank highly supervised top down workbook courses are doing just fine. I think they are advancing the principles of the Free Born World Age far more than the people having to take endless workbook courses for thousands of years before they can do anything, anywhere, to help the world situation in their lifetime.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjnygQ02aW4

    For one thing there are probably only about a million Baha'is in the world if even that as many people have pointed out. In just one place on Earth here there are two million people. The Baha'is discount all that grass roots bottom up energy because it did not come from their top down controlling organization. The Baha'is teach (at least the New Think Ruhiized Baha'is) that Western forms of government are corrupt and hopeless. The Baha'is mock this kind of grass roots organizing and inner directed effort.

    And so the Baha'i Faith organization has failed in every crisis of the past Century (WWI, the Great Depression,WWII, Korea, Vietnam, etc, etc, just to name one thread of history. There are many more from the perspective of other nations. The Baha'is will continue to repeatedly fail in every crisis and the current world economic crisis too. It is a record of amazing world class consistently sustained spectacular failure generation after generation. The Baha'i Faith literally wrote the book on both individual and collective failure so far. The organization is masters of this. Why? Because the Baha'is feel they and they alone have the power to achieve anything worthwhile in the entrire world. They believe that nobody else counts in their efforts.

    Planetary change will come form many different groups uniting bottom up for the very real common purpose of solving the problems facing the world. The Baha'is are only concerned with top down rote control.

    I once believed with all my heart that the Baha'is would help lead that change. I was wrong. I was terribly, terribly absolutely dead wrong. Spectacularly wrong. The Baha'is will never unite with others because they, as an organization have to top down control everything themselves. So they will continue to miss out on everything positive happening in the world and will eventually collapse broken and alone from the other bottom up energies of the world liberated as the Free Born World Age progresses.

    If you want a specific spiritual example, I would suggest these people:

    http://abwoon.infosaic15.com/shop/

    they are doing the spiritual work of building bridges of the rank and file of the Baha'i Faith were permitted to think and speak unfettered by top down control group think. These people are absolutely beautiful! Those two million people on the National Mall in Washington D.C. of all races and colors as Americans were absolutely beautiful despite what ANY member of the UHJ says against it!

    The Baha'is are now going to be completely left in the dust because we are led by completely mentally ill lifetime incumbent morons.

    So it goes.

  • farhan

    Craig wrote: The individual conscience is sacred and comes before anything collective. The collective has murdered tens of millions of human beings in human history.
    I completely agree with you Craig; a good orchestra or a good football team is one with fine individuals AND perfect synchronisation. If we want healthy societies, we need healthy individuals with healthy relations between them. Healthy individuals in an unhealthy structure will not work out any more that unhealthy individuals in a healthy structure. The same goes for virtues and I am aware of how difficult it is and how vital it is for the survival of our planet to reconcile both.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/farhan farhan

    Craig wrote: The individual conscience is sacred and comes before anything collective. The collective has murdered tens of millions of human beings in human history.
    I completely agree with you Craig; a good orchestra or a good football team is one with fine individuals AND perfect synchronisation. If we want healthy societies, we need healthy individuals with healthy relations between them. Healthy individuals in an unhealthy structure will not work out any more that unhealthy individuals in a healthy structure. The same goes for virtues and I am aware of how difficult it is and how vital it is for the survival of our planet to reconcile both.

  • farhan

    Craig wrote: think this group of people following the inner guidance of their own hearts without having to take fill in the blank highly supervised top down workbook courses are doing just fine.
    Sure, Craig, they might be doing fine, but the society they live in is sick and their survival depends on that society, so it will catch them up one day or another. As the WHO defined health, it is a bio-psycho-social reality. You cannot separate individuals from their society, and to improve, you have to act on both individuals AND their society.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/farhan farhan

    Craig wrote: think this group of people following the inner guidance of their own hearts without having to take fill in the blank highly supervised top down workbook courses are doing just fine.
    Sure, Craig, they might be doing fine, but the society they live in is sick and their survival depends on that society, so it will catch them up one day or another. As the WHO defined health, it is a bio-psycho-social reality. You cannot separate individuals from their society, and to improve, you have to act on both individuals AND their society.

  • Bird

    I agree Pey

  • Bird

    I agree Pey

  • Bird

    Craig my beloved brother uttered, "I once believed with all my heart that the Baha'is would help lead that change. I was wrong. I was terribly, terribly absolutely dead wrong. Spectacularly wrong. The Baha'is will never unite with others because they, as an organization have to top down control everything themselves. So they will continue to miss out on everything positive happening in the world and will eventually collapse broken and alone from the other bottom up energies of the world liberated as the Free Born World Age progresses. " ____I think I am apart of the grassroots of a Free Born world. I know that is what I am going to teach people. __

  • Bird

    Craig my beloved brother uttered, "I once believed with all my heart that the Baha'is would help lead that change. I was wrong. I was terribly, terribly absolutely dead wrong. Spectacularly wrong. The Baha'is will never unite with others because they, as an organization have to top down control everything themselves. So they will continue to miss out on everything positive happening in the world and will eventually collapse broken and alone from the other bottom up energies of the world liberated as the Free Born World Age progresses. " ____I think I am apart of the grassroots of a Free Born world. I know that is what I am going to teach people. __

  • Bird

    Indeed

  • Bird

    Indeed

  • farhan

    Grover wrote: have you been naughty and been voting for yourself?
    No, and there is nothing naughty if you feel you are the right person. Who knows if the Iranian NSA members adducted had voted for themselves… but I have never fancied being bogged down by administrative responsibilities and the restraint it requires. Do you imagine I could speak as freely, if my remarks were then devolved to an institution? Craig would come up and say the ex-member of such an institution has said this and that ;-)

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/farhan farhan

    Grover wrote: have you been naughty and been voting for yourself?
    No, and there is nothing naughty if you feel you are the right person. Who knows if the Iranian NSA members adducted had voted for themselves… but I have never fancied being bogged down by administrative responsibilities and the restraint it requires. Do you imagine I could speak as freely, if my remarks were then devolved to an institution? Craig would come up and say the ex-member of such an institution has said this and that ;-)

  • farhan

    Grover, have you seen a university administration consultation with professors, housemaids, labourers and retired Iranians, mathematicians, teenagers and poets, artists and musicians coming to a decision? The Baha'i administration is an experimental laboratory the like of which has never yet existed.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/farhan farhan

    Grover, have you seen a university administration consultation with professors, housemaids, labourers and retired Iranians, mathematicians, teenagers and poets, artists and musicians coming to a decision? The Baha'i administration is an experimental laboratory the like of which has never yet existed.

  • Craig Parke

    Baloney, Farhan. Everybody else on Earth can consult far better than the Baha'is. The diverse people where I work certainly can. We are very successful in business because EVERY VOICE is given free range in FULL OPEN DISCUSSION on every issue BEFORE a decision is made. Then after a decision is made there is full feedback right to the top if a correction needs made.

    But I will fully admit we are all monolithic Pittsburgh Steeler fans. But we do fully allow personal freedom of thought on the issue of team loyalty in the NFL.

    I was very faithful in the Baha'i Faith for 32 straight years of dedicated service. The Baha'i Faith at the UHJ and NSA level worldwide apparently never got to a higher level than the Communist Party in the hey day of the Politburo. Zero ability for thesis-antithesis-synthesis. Many organizational psychology studies show that without that mechanism everyone is eventual toast. Too much energy has to be expended on top down control. Communism did not tolerate any other system of thought. Neither does the BAO at this point. The individual is nothing. The collective is everything. Throw in lifetime incumbency and a worldwide electorate of sheep and cowards with nine people who think they are the Voice of God on Earth and it is an all expenses paid voyage on the Titanic.

    But the Free Born World Age will go on. The liberating spiritual ideas that Baha'u'llah channeled into the inner plains of the hearts of men will find life on the inner Divine horizon. That world is thriving. Look at all the books on every topic on Amazon. Look at people from the slums of Mumbai getting their movie made. After all these years the Baha'is are no where even close to accomplishing anything whatsoever at the world class level in the affairs of men regarding anything whatsoever. Zero. Nada. Zippo. One step forward 10,000 steps back. The endless same old, same old. Meanwhile the real Baha'is are people out there in the real world of hands on daily life who never heard of Baha'u''lah or ever will hear of Baha'u' llah who ACTUALLY GET REAL THINGS DONE! Like the people who wrote the software by which we are communicating on this Blog. They are carrying out the liberating Powers of the World Age while the Baha'is take Ruhi Book One 15 times over and over year after year with the same hopelessly psychologically predatory emotionally incestuous and timid neurotic people.

    You cannot top down manufacture spirituality. You find it bottom up from people who are ALREADY Baha'is in their own work from their own inward directed motivation from within their own hearts. The BAO does not want such people because they cannot be controlled. And if anyone does come into the Faith like that their energy must be extinguished because it is a huge threat to the top down system of control. The Baha'i Faith does not want any educated people at all. And it is going to get exactly what it wants.

  • Craig Parke

    Baloney, Farhan. Everybody else on Earth can consult far better than the Baha'is. The diverse people where I work certainly can. We are very successful in business because EVERY VOICE is given free range in FULL OPEN DISCUSSION on every issue BEFORE a decision is made. Then after a decision is made there is full feedback right to the top if a correction needs made.

    But I will fully admit we are all monolithic Pittsburgh Steeler fans. But we do fully allow personal freedom of thought on the issue of team loyalty in the NFL.

    I was very faithful in the Baha'i Faith for 32 straight years of dedicated service. The Baha'i Faith at the UHJ and NSA level worldwide apparently never got to a higher level than the Communist Party in the hey day of the Politburo. Zero ability for thesis-antithesis-synthesis. Many organizational psychology studies show that without that mechanism everyone is eventual toast. Too much energy has to be expended on top down control. Communism did not tolerate any other system of thought. Neither does the BAO at this point. The individual is nothing. The collective is everything. Throw in lifetime incumbency and a worldwide electorate of sheep and cowards with nine people who think they are the Voice of God on Earth and it is an all expenses paid voyage on the Titanic.

    But the Free Born World Age will go on. The liberating spiritual ideas that Baha'u'llah channeled into the inner plains of the hearts of men will find life on the inner Divine horizon. That world is thriving. Look at all the books on every topic on Amazon. Look at people from the slums of Mumbai getting their movie made. After all these years the Baha'is are no where even close to accomplishing anything whatsoever at the world class level in the affairs of men regarding anything whatsoever. Zero. Nada. Zippo. One step forward 10,000 steps back. The endless same old, same old. Meanwhile the real Baha'is are people out there in the real world of hands on daily life who never heard of Baha'u''lah or ever will hear of Baha'u' llah who ACTUALLY GET REAL THINGS DONE! Like the people who wrote the software by which we are communicating on this Blog. They are carrying out the liberating Powers of the World Age while the Baha'is take Ruhi Book One 15 times over and over year after year with the same hopelessly psychologically predatory emotionally incestuous and timid neurotic people.

    You cannot top down manufacture spirituality. You find it bottom up from people who are ALREADY Baha'is in their own work from their own inward directed motivation from within their own hearts. The BAO does not want such people because they cannot be controlled. And if anyone does come into the Faith like that their energy must be extinguished because it is a huge threat to the top down system of control. The Baha'i Faith does not want any educated people at all. And it is going to get exactly what it wants.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Marvin_D_Wilson Marvin_D_Wilson

    I found your blog with a Google search and enjoy it very much. I am a blogger also. Today on my spiritual/inspirational blog, Free Spirit, I am encouraging discussion on the Baha'i faith. Please stop by and contribute? http://inspiritandtruths.blogspot.com/

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Marvin_D_Wilson Marvin_D_Wilson

    I found your blog with a Google search and enjoy it very much. I am a blogger also. Today on my spiritual/inspirational blog, Free Spirit, I am encouraging discussion on the Baha'i faith. Please stop by and contribute? http://inspiritandtruths.blogspot.com/

  • Craig Parke

    Farhan wrote:

    "Sure, Craig, they might be doing fine, but the society they live in is sick and their survival depends on that society, so it will catch them up one day or another."

    Allot of people aren't sick here, Farhan. Allot of people are far more spiritual and far more capable than the Baha'is. And they are getting the work of the Free Born World Age done while the totally mentally ill and impaired Baha'is are left in the dust.

    Thank God I broke ranks and worked on President Obama's campaign. After 32 straight years of working in the Faith, thank God I was actually able to finally do something useful before I die. I am very, very happy about that. It was so wonderful to work with people that are not impaired.

  • Craig Parke

    Farhan wrote:

    "Sure, Craig, they might be doing fine, but the society they live in is sick and their survival depends on that society, so it will catch them up one day or another."

    Allot of people aren't sick here, Farhan. Allot of people are far more spiritual and far more capable than the Baha'is. And they are getting the work of the Free Born World Age done while the totally mentally ill and impaired Baha'is are left in the dust.

    Thank God I broke ranks and worked on President Obama's campaign. After 32 straight years of working in the Faith, thank God I was actually able to finally do something useful before I die. I am very, very happy about that. It was so wonderful to work with people that are not impaired.

  • farhan

    Craig wrote : Allot of people are far more spiritual and far more capable than the Baha'is.

    God bless them all, Craig. Hope we can one day collaborate together towards a common goal.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/farhan farhan

    Craig wrote : Allot of people are far more spiritual and far more capable than the Baha'is.

    God bless them all, Craig. Hope we can one day collaborate together towards a common goal.

  • n_chik

    You have a good point, abit exagerated, but a decent point nonetheless.
    My question is this: Why would anyone WANT to get elected onto a Bahai Institution? It's mostly alot of work, long meetings, no pay and even less pleasure. Maybe some think it's prestigous, or you get looked up to in the community, but that's not worth the trouble, now is it?

  • n_chik

    You have a good point, abit exagerated, but a decent point nonetheless.
    My question is this: Why would anyone WANT to get elected onto a Bahai Institution? It's mostly alot of work, long meetings, no pay and even less pleasure. Maybe some think it's prestigous, or you get looked up to in the community, but that's not worth the trouble, now is it?

  • Grover

    It's ego mainly. It's "look at me, I'm important, and everyone else (10% of the community) thinks I'm important too".

    Nothing better than being voted on or selected for an institution until (if you're smart and not so heavily indoctrinated) you realize that it is a complete waste of time.

    By the way, I’m speaking from personal experience here. I’ve worked on both sides of Baha’i admin.

  • Grover

    It's ego mainly. It's "look at me, I'm important, and everyone else (10% of the community) thinks I'm important too".

    Nothing better than being voted on or selected for an institution until (if you're smart and not so heavily indoctrinated) you realize that it is a complete waste of time.

    By the way, I’m speaking from personal experience here. I’ve worked on both sides of Baha’i admin.

  • farhan

    Craig wrote: The belief that individual conscience is supreme is equivalent to 'taking partners with God' (snip) So individual conscience is now OUT

    No Craig, where on earth did you get such ideas? The idea is that each individual can be self sufficient, BUT to be efficient, he has to harmonise his efforts with his brethren: this is new in religious history because religions such as Christianity focalised on personal attainments and redemption. In this collective action, a personal opinion should not become sovereign and override the interests of society. It is similar to Kennedy’s phrase “do not ask what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country”.
    Craig: Can anyone explain how you are supposed to think and conduct yourself in the NEW THINK Baha'i Faith?
    Farhan: there is no “new think”. The “change of culture” concerns our collective effort concerns the idea that we don’t have gurus, and we will never have any, we have no priests, but the services once rendered to society by priests are those that every Baha’i is responsible to undertake, that those who feel inadequate for such services can now go through a teacher training programme, in their activities Baha’is must not be self serving, but should aim at serving humanity, the community must not be self-centred, but with an outward looking orientation, all these new activities being open to Baha’is and non-Baha’is alike and in fact in some countries, more non-Baha’is run them. All this is detailed in the document “Building Momentum”.

    However, yes, by all means we have had some random individuals who misunderstood and, as you describe, did act as “apparatchiks” but all this is now over.

  • Me You Us.

    Ha ha! Terribly familiar and uncormfortably true.

  • Craig Parke

    But another shoe is about to drop in human history and it will effect EVERY HUMAN ORGANIZATION on Earth that has been given any kind of power. It recently changed how politics was conducted in the U.S. Presidential Election. It is changing the MSM (Main Stream Media) and it will now detonate on the so far clueless “clergy” running the so called “Theocracy” of Iran.

    This from the Huffington Post today:

    “Tech guru Austin Heap, whose work on Iran was profiled early on by the San Francisco Chronicle, is set to release a new tool to help Iranians get online. Here's Austin's blog post about the program, called Haystack:

    'In the upcoming days, Daniel Colascione and I will release a new program to provide unfiltered internet access to the people of Iran. A software package for Windows, Mac and Unix systems, called Haystack, will specifically target the Iranian government's web filtering mechanisms.

    Similar to Freegate, the program directed against China's “great firewall,” once installed Haystack will provide completely uncensored access to the internet in Iran while simultaneously protecting the user's identity. No more Facebook blocks, no more government warning pages when you try to load Twitter, just unfiltered Internet.

    The network will be supported by donated high-quality servers outside of Iran. We will be able to provide an individual user with unfettered internet access that costs the donor $0.015 to $0.0375 per month.'”

    EVERY individual and organization on the planet that holds any kind of power is going to be held ruthlessly accountable by the rank and file of every land 24/7/365/1000.

    The only protection for those that hold power is honest justice and honest competence in all matters. All BS is out and all lying is out.

    Everything will change now in human history including the Baha'i Administrative Order. The next thousand years will be people with pitch forks and torches arising with EACH SUNRISE. Do your elected or appointed job and DO IT WELL or find yourself and your family in the street homeless. It is the supreme spiritual duty of this New World Age to think and seek the ACTUAL TRUTH of any situation. There is no place to run and no place to hide for those who are mentally ill and those who are incompetent idiots who are given power of any kind. It will not last for long as their every utterance and every action is put under a microscope. The future belongs to Bloggers with lawyers. Has anyone in the BAO realized this yet? It will happen with the BAO at every level or it will happen without the BAO at every level. But it will happen. Same for everybody else on Earth.

    The Promised Day has indeed come. It's Holy Write called the Intel 8080 instruction set from register to register and it's descendants. It is coming for everybody with the requirement of full accountability at all times on tidings of light with absolutely no mercy whatsoever in human affairs.

    The Governor of Alaska recently could not stand the heat in the kitchen and bailed. That is just an inkling of what is coming.

    Everyone keep posting 24/7/365/1000.

    Fierce full accountability on every individual and organization of any kind on Earth who has been given any kind of power.

    NOW.

    EVERY SINGLE DAY.

    Here is a nice symbolic video representation of just the NAND INSTRUCTION in the latest Intel CPU Instruction Set!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8trsDPpAI5E

  • http://americasparasite.com/ Jimmy Raschel

    Ive been on a couple of LSAs and in nearly a half dozen communities across the country and know 100s maybe a 1000 Bahais. Not one of us is perfect and the truth is the system is better than we individual Bahais are. Incidentally, the system of annual elections automatically has 'term' limits; one year. Ego, is what is at play here with the gentleman's comments. He is obviously upset because he was not elected and is now pouting. Grow up pal, get over it and see the bigger picture. Independent Investigation of the Truth, a fundamental Bahai principal that eliminates the necessity for a professional priesthood, is at play here. Im sure its imperfect, as men are, and in its beginning stages. Be patient. Pray for strength and guidence and realize that to just recognize Baha' 'u' llah in these days is a bounty, then streach the happiness from you brain to your heart and be well.

  • Baquia

    Jimmy, thank you for your comments. It seems that in order to discredit what I say, you have to hoist intentions onto me that I do not have. To be perfectly honest, I have never sought to be elected or appointed to any Baha'i institution. I suggest that rather than engaging in ad hominem, you try to actually speak about the issues at hand.

    You obviously do not understand the meaning of term limits. For example, the post of US president is elected every 4 years. But that has nothing to do with the 2 term limit placed upon the office. By your false logic, as long as we hold elections, we do not need term limits. The fallacy of this is so self-evident that it requires no further refutation.

  • fubar

    not likely, once they realize that bahai is premised on cultural imperialism.

  • fubar

    pragmatic article on groupthink:

    http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,…

    incompetent boss:

    http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,…

    warning: scientific research was reported on in the above article.

    reading science may cause people with false and stupid religious ideas to have a “crisis of faith”.

  • Baquia

    n_chick, While you and I may think about it this way, believe it or not I've met many Baha'is who are PROUD that they have been elected to an institution. They hold themselves as somehow, better, because of it. There was a specific instance where a current member of an NSA was telling us about his life and he said that since he was eligible, he has always been elected to some Baha'i institution and he was certainly proud of that fact. He has been serving on an NSA now for more than a decade I think, continuously.

  • Baquia

    Might want to tell Jimmy (look below this comment).

  • Baquia

    I would but it seems you have removed your blog!

  • hagarthehun

    Yup

  • fubar

    To round out the discussion:

    1) more dismal news about how the internet is making people more stupid (and some people more successful writing about it)

    http://www.dumbestgeneration.com/home.html

    2) why smart people do dumb things:

    http://dir.salon.com/story/books/review/2002/06

    excerpt:
    Perkins lists eight deadly sins of the stupid smart person, which seem to sum it all up rather elegantly:

    [1] impulsiveness (doing something rash),

    [2] neglect (ignoring something important),

    [3] procrastination (actively avoiding something important),

    [4] vacillation (dithering),

    [5] backsliding (capitulating to habit),

    [6] indulgence (allowing oneself to fall into excess),

    [7] overdoing (like indulgence, but with positive things) and

    [8] walking the edge (tempting fate).

  • fubar

    To round out the discussion:

    1) more dismal news about how the internet is making people more stupid (and some people more successful writing about it)

    http://www.dumbestgeneration.com/home.html

    2) why smart people do dumb things:

    http://dir.salon.com/story/books/review/2002/06

    excerpt:
    Perkins lists eight deadly sins of the stupid smart person, which seem to sum it all up rather elegantly:

    [1] impulsiveness (doing something rash),

    [2] neglect (ignoring something important),

    [3] procrastination (actively avoiding something important),

    [4] vacillation (dithering),

    [5] backsliding (capitulating to habit),

    [6] indulgence (allowing oneself to fall into excess),

    [7] overdoing (like indulgence, but with positive things) and

    [8] walking the edge (tempting fate).

  • Positiveapproach

    seriously… some of you guys are a bunch of haters.. I have known many Bahais in my life! i hve been involved in many activitys and have come to love the unity within the communitys i have been in. The Baha'i faith is young and no one human is perfect, this system is. There are obviously people out there like you which oppose the faith because you dont agree with how things are run, INFALLABLE means that Infallable, Baha'is choose to ignore you because of your negative pooey mouth comments that are not productive. You are no different to any of those mullas in Iran persecuting Bahai's. The first thing i thought of reading your blog was …. ” what on earth, this person must be mental” haha.. anyways i hope people who visit you blog, dont take your word for it and search for the truth themselves.

  • fubar

    there is nothing positive in what you say. you are a typical haifan bahai polemicist, you lie, and attack critics, dissidents and nonconformists. you are shallow, you ignore your own scripture in so many ways, which irinically provides yet more “proof” of what is wrong with haifan bahaism (no real spirituality, just exploitation of people seeking belonging to something that gives them a sense of higher purpose).

    bad religion is built on the kind of dishonesty and lies you spread.

    haifan bahaism is (metaphorically) a slave religion.

  • fubar

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink

    excerpt:

    Groupthink is a type of thought within a deeply cohesive in-group whose members try to minimize conflict and reach consensus without critically testing, analyzing, and evaluating ideas. As defined by Janis, 1972 â€?A mode of thinking that people engage in when they are deeply involved in a cohesive in-group, when the members' strivings for unanimity override their motivation to realistically appraise alternative courses of actionâ€?. Individual creativity, uniqueness, and independent thinking are lost in the pursuit of group cohesiveness, as are the advantages of reasonable balance in choice and thought that might normally be obtained by making decisions as a group…

  • fubar

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scapegoat

    excerpt:

    Scapegoating and projection

    Unwanted thoughts and feelings can be unconsciously projected onto another who becomes a scapegoat for one's own problems. This concept can be extended to projection by groups. In this case the chosen individual, or group, becomes the scapegoat for the group's problems. In psychopathology, projection is an especially commonly used defense mechanism in people with … personality disorders:

    Scapegoating in management

    Scapegoating is a known practice in management where a lower staff employee is blamed for the mistakes of senior executives. This is often due to lack of accountability in upper management.

  • Oscar Wilde

    I have read that paper, the original one.
    It appears like an unsoluble problem.
    The very reason the patience and humility of competent people in different fields is continuosly tested and made grown.
    In facts, this very patience and humility made them competent at first.

    As stated in the movie The Libertine, there are two kinds of people who don't appreciate the efforts of a competent person: the idiots and the envious. The idiots will appreciate you one day, the envious, never.

    In an age where might is right, only the humble talking weapons is a solution. This is how power has been obtained in the last centuries: by might and terror and never competence. There is, inside or outside the community, no sense of quality, competence, and skill. Money rules the roost. People fake being interested in actual skills, while all they care is money and not being attacked by society/family. It is evident in the job market; jobs in companies aren't given to the best people, rather to the one with the most qualifications, being a qualification an APPEARANCE and ASSUMPTION of competence and not the essence of competence.

    In The Simpsons, Homer has a job, while his genious brother is a bum. This is the world, the real world. It is much easier to live here for incompetent people than competent ones.

    There can be competent people in place, and incompetents who don't get anything, but this is more an exception than a rule presently. Usually, incompetents have an APPEARANCE of competence to help them out. They're masters of deceit.

    There's just no space for truth, as the bible or some christian prophet predicted these times would be.

    As for the baha'i system it is evident in my opinion that there's something faulty WITHIN the system, so good luck in changing it. It is a phenomenon to study; the community is curiously brainwashed, beyond help. To me any effort is useless and it is better to go and live up on a mountain, but by no means I want to discourage you if you're still attempting. I might be wrong, only time will tell, maybe not even that.

    I still don't want to think the baha'i faith is bad PER SE, but I might be forced to think it in the future. As I grew up as a baha'i I feel blasphemous when I think stuff like that, so I'll give myself time. But it is evident that such perception of blasphemy is only conditionment and not truth.

  • Severus

    I live with three worthless crap bag Bahais, can anyone tell me how to annoy them or make them unconformable? Please

  • Anonymous

    Ask them to take you to a local Ruhi course and insist that they come with you and attend the whole complete sequence of classes alongside you. Ask lots of questions and bring a number 2 pencil – you won’t need an eraser.

  • http://bahaisonline.net/tcb Steve Marshall

    I’m sure you’re already doing just fine, but Baquia’s suggestion is a good one if you want to make an extra effort.

  • fubar

    Get them a copy of Deepak Chopra’s new book on Buddhism?

    http://www.harpercollins.com/books/Buddha-Deepak-Chopra/

    But why bother annoying people that have irrelevant, backward beliefs?

    Instead, transcend the nonsense by becoming a better person: think more honestly, have better intentions, be more compassionate and altrustic.

    That is what will make the world better.

  • Historyman_of_sa

    These Step that I read is Good idea for every Baha’i people. Is better if any one could follow the Step for sure. But there is one thing is missing and it is trainsport like if some one does not have car and does not know how to get to Baha’i Activites. I think is better if the LSA member will Ask them if they need trainsport to go to Baha’i Activites.

    Regard Rohan Ighanian