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		<title>By: forthelove</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 01:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. You are brave and I admire your candid response. I am a Bahai in officially good standing but perhaps I should not be - so I do not associate or speak of myself as a Bahai publicly as to protect the Faith from my waywardness. LOL - but it&#039;s true.  I fell away from the daily practice and community involvement for many of the reasons you stated plus many of my own. It&#039;s been a struggle of faith for me for a very long time. I don&#039;t quite know what to believe anymore but if there is a religion from the Creator, I do believe it&#039;s the Bahai Faith and I stand by that. And I love Baha&#039;u&#039;llah - enough not to try to represent his teachings. But I pray, I talk to Him, I teach my child prayers and see the world through the eyes of Unity in Diversity. I used to be the staunchest of believers and now I stand on the fence with favor and the utmost respect and love for the Faith. I really found your courage inspiring - it&#039;s part of what I became a Bahai for in the first place - a freedom that spoke to my heart. Thank you for representing the marginal folks. I guess God still loves us too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. You are brave and I admire your candid response. I am a Bahai in officially good standing but perhaps I should not be &#8211; so I do not associate or speak of myself as a Bahai publicly as to protect the Faith from my waywardness. LOL &#8211; but it&#8217;s true.  I fell away from the daily practice and community involvement for many of the reasons you stated plus many of my own. It&#8217;s been a struggle of faith for me for a very long time. I don&#8217;t quite know what to believe anymore but if there is a religion from the Creator, I do believe it&#8217;s the Bahai Faith and I stand by that. And I love Baha&#8217;u'llah &#8211; enough not to try to represent his teachings. But I pray, I talk to Him, I teach my child prayers and see the world through the eyes of Unity in Diversity. I used to be the staunchest of believers and now I stand on the fence with favor and the utmost respect and love for the Faith. I really found your courage inspiring &#8211; it&#8217;s part of what I became a Bahai for in the first place &#8211; a freedom that spoke to my heart. Thank you for representing the marginal folks. I guess God still loves us too.</p>
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		<title>By: Fubar</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 13:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Sar-Mad,

Your ideas are irrational and silly, and a perfect reflection of the 
brainwashing and groupthink that has &quot;infected&quot; haifan bahaism and made 
it a dysfunctional religion full of empty promises.

haifan bahaism is culturally imperialistic and exploits the people that are converted to it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Sar-Mad,</p>
<p>Your ideas are irrational and silly, and a perfect reflection of the<br />
brainwashing and groupthink that has &#8220;infected&#8221; haifan bahaism and made<br />
it a dysfunctional religion full of empty promises.</p>
<p>haifan bahaism is culturally imperialistic and exploits the people that are converted to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarmad</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/introduction-4.html/comment-page-10#comment-83380</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarmad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 21:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Human ingenuity is capable of the most extraordinary achievements.  This site presents another demonstration of the endless ability of people to come up with the most sophisticated means of furthering their agenda.  You could almost be congratulated for the way you have portrayed this site as somehow designed with good intentions towards the Baha&#039;i Faith.  Let there be no misunderstanding: this website is a deeply damaging and hurtful assault on the religion.  I am sure that if I had been considering joining the Faith and had come upon this site that you would have succeeded in turning me away.  Because this kind of writing is a poison.  How glad I am that I became a believer long before the age of the internet.  I am also amazed to see that your frame of reference is the same as a well known group of ex-Baha&#039;is who have spent apparently 1000s of hours on the internet attempting to spread your insinuation.  Are you by any chance fighting the &#039;next generation&#039;s&#039; battles already?  Your list of concerns reads like a list from other documents in the past.  In fact, I have a good idea who you actually are and if I am correct I am absolutely bewildered.  I apologise in advance for this, and I hope I have got it wrong.  But if I have guessed who you are then Janus would be a better psuedonym than Baquia!  (My means of guessing is based on a fairly cursory analysis of prose-style and content of multiple sources on the internet.  The claim that you are a Baha&#039;i &quot;in good standing&quot; is also telling.)  And for the rest of you: how many of you are commenting using multiple pseudonyms?  Such a small circle!  Such brave radicals!  (I know that my sarcasm and ire have taken me well beyond the standards of courtesy and decency required of me as a Baha&#039;i.  I&#039;ll regret allowing myself to get so upset, but as I type I really am losing it.  This will also explain any weaknesses in my prose as I continue.)  Such well-educated, polyglot minds!  Such academic liberal objectivity!  You probably pride yourselves on hastening the decline of the Faith, as you see it, and in fact you are certainly helping to prove true the predictions made in the past about the kinds of &#039;tests&#039; that would face believers in the West.  But you need to remember the following: either the Faith is from God or it is not.  If it is not then you are wasting your time!  Simply let those stupid believers, as you see it, fall into their foolishness and why don&#039;t you go and enjoy yourself?  If this Faith is so broken, why are you so obsessed with it?  Go and get some new hobbies and you might feel better!  But if this Faith is from God, and the Truths that it proclaims are all Divine in origin, then you are ALSO WASTING YOUR TIME.  Yes, you may be able to turn away from seekers.  Yes, you may hasten the departure of a certain number of believers.  But you will not be able to alter the future outcome.  Who knows what may happen before &#039;the divine standard is unfurled?&#039;  The number of Baha&#039;is in the world could shrink to 20 and still the victory may come!  Oh Lord, my God, I recently found some apparent predictions (in a pilgrim&#039;s note) by Shoghi Effendi a little far-fetched.  He, for instance, is supposed to described a decline in the US Baha&#039;i community, to the point where the US Baha&#039;is end up merely as spectators.  A website like this is actually helping to create the impression that this prediction has come true!  Your attempt to spread a cancerous mentality is almost laughable, were it not so chilling.  You have made me very sad, but you have not altered by beliefs.  I am only writing in this manner because you have made your ideas so public.  I feel that I should simply ignore your site, but, on the other hand I really would like to stress that I do not recognise your portrait of the Baha&#039;i Institutions as some kind of Orwellian construction.  My liberty has never been impinged, my thoughts have never been questioned, my conscience has never been challenged, my words have never been attacked, my input has never been ridiculed.  And this is not to say I don&#039;t experience tests of my own.  (The discovery of your website is one such test.)  May I add a little from my own experience that may help to explain a different interpretation of why you claim to have experienced such a malaise?  (I use the word &#039;claim&#039; because I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if you are actually a website funded by the Iranian govt.!)  Anyway, I have actually in the past had some regrettable experiences in my relationships with other Baha&#039;is.  For instance, I knew one who boasted about committing a fraud.  This then caused a new believer, stunned by the hyprocrisy, to leave the Faith.  In my view both people were wrong.  The fraudster was blatantly flouting the teachings of the Faith, but the person who left the Faith should have realised that a single person&#039;s error does not reflect on the essential verity of a religion.  I could describe a few other situations.  In each case the foolishness of certain Baha&#039;is has tests the faith of other believers.  But how many times has that test been caused by the stupidity, or inexperience, or naivety of another individual?  Every time!  And how many times has it been caused by systemic corruption in the Institutions that you claim to perceive?  Never!  I really must stress that even if all the members of all the worlds NSAs were hysterical control freaks (again, you are implying this, it seems), this does not in anyway invalidate the truth of the Faith.  It simply means we need to vote more intelligently.  Anyone of intelligence and a drop of objectivity and justice can readily discern that our votes could change the direction of the Faith in limitless ways.  Similarly, no one of intelligence could fail to discern that you are a classic example of the Wolf in Sheep&#039;s Clothing that was addressed in the Hidden Words.  &quot;Ye are even as the star, which riseth ere the dawn, and which, though it seem radiant and luminous, leadeth the wayfarers of My city astray into the paths of perdition.&quot;  Finally, I must return to my earlier point.  If this Faith is not divine in origin then we have a man-made system populated by dupes, about whom you ought not to care so much.  If, indeed, this Faith has stemmed from a Divine source, and Baha&#039;u&#039;llah was infused with the Holy Spirit, then the best you can hope for with this insidious attack is a temporary dent in the fortunes of the Faith.  And if you manage to precipitate a crisis within the religion please don&#039;t be too proud of yourself too quickly.  Because a true religion will bounce back from such a crisis, in the fullness of time, stronger than before.  

I am sorry for writing in such stentorian terms, but if you wish to attempt publicly to unravel the tenets of this religion I feel that I must respond.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Human ingenuity is capable of the most extraordinary achievements.  This site presents another demonstration of the endless ability of people to come up with the most sophisticated means of furthering their agenda.  You could almost be congratulated for the way you have portrayed this site as somehow designed with good intentions towards the Baha&#8217;i Faith.  Let there be no misunderstanding: this website is a deeply damaging and hurtful assault on the religion.  I am sure that if I had been considering joining the Faith and had come upon this site that you would have succeeded in turning me away.  Because this kind of writing is a poison.  How glad I am that I became a believer long before the age of the internet.  I am also amazed to see that your frame of reference is the same as a well known group of ex-Baha&#8217;is who have spent apparently 1000s of hours on the internet attempting to spread your insinuation.  Are you by any chance fighting the &#8216;next generation&#8217;s&#8217; battles already?  Your list of concerns reads like a list from other documents in the past.  In fact, I have a good idea who you actually are and if I am correct I am absolutely bewildered.  I apologise in advance for this, and I hope I have got it wrong.  But if I have guessed who you are then Janus would be a better psuedonym than Baquia!  (My means of guessing is based on a fairly cursory analysis of prose-style and content of multiple sources on the internet.  The claim that you are a Baha&#8217;i &#8220;in good standing&#8221; is also telling.)  And for the rest of you: how many of you are commenting using multiple pseudonyms?  Such a small circle!  Such brave radicals!  (I know that my sarcasm and ire have taken me well beyond the standards of courtesy and decency required of me as a Baha&#8217;i.  I&#8217;ll regret allowing myself to get so upset, but as I type I really am losing it.  This will also explain any weaknesses in my prose as I continue.)  Such well-educated, polyglot minds!  Such academic liberal objectivity!  You probably pride yourselves on hastening the decline of the Faith, as you see it, and in fact you are certainly helping to prove true the predictions made in the past about the kinds of &#8216;tests&#8217; that would face believers in the West.  But you need to remember the following: either the Faith is from God or it is not.  If it is not then you are wasting your time!  Simply let those stupid believers, as you see it, fall into their foolishness and why don&#8217;t you go and enjoy yourself?  If this Faith is so broken, why are you so obsessed with it?  Go and get some new hobbies and you might feel better!  But if this Faith is from God, and the Truths that it proclaims are all Divine in origin, then you are ALSO WASTING YOUR TIME.  Yes, you may be able to turn away from seekers.  Yes, you may hasten the departure of a certain number of believers.  But you will not be able to alter the future outcome.  Who knows what may happen before &#8216;the divine standard is unfurled?&#8217;  The number of Baha&#8217;is in the world could shrink to 20 and still the victory may come!  Oh Lord, my God, I recently found some apparent predictions (in a pilgrim&#8217;s note) by Shoghi Effendi a little far-fetched.  He, for instance, is supposed to described a decline in the US Baha&#8217;i community, to the point where the US Baha&#8217;is end up merely as spectators.  A website like this is actually helping to create the impression that this prediction has come true!  Your attempt to spread a cancerous mentality is almost laughable, were it not so chilling.  You have made me very sad, but you have not altered by beliefs.  I am only writing in this manner because you have made your ideas so public.  I feel that I should simply ignore your site, but, on the other hand I really would like to stress that I do not recognise your portrait of the Baha&#8217;i Institutions as some kind of Orwellian construction.  My liberty has never been impinged, my thoughts have never been questioned, my conscience has never been challenged, my words have never been attacked, my input has never been ridiculed.  And this is not to say I don&#8217;t experience tests of my own.  (The discovery of your website is one such test.)  May I add a little from my own experience that may help to explain a different interpretation of why you claim to have experienced such a malaise?  (I use the word &#8216;claim&#8217; because I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if you are actually a website funded by the Iranian govt.!)  Anyway, I have actually in the past had some regrettable experiences in my relationships with other Baha&#8217;is.  For instance, I knew one who boasted about committing a fraud.  This then caused a new believer, stunned by the hyprocrisy, to leave the Faith.  In my view both people were wrong.  The fraudster was blatantly flouting the teachings of the Faith, but the person who left the Faith should have realised that a single person&#8217;s error does not reflect on the essential verity of a religion.  I could describe a few other situations.  In each case the foolishness of certain Baha&#8217;is has tests the faith of other believers.  But how many times has that test been caused by the stupidity, or inexperience, or naivety of another individual?  Every time!  And how many times has it been caused by systemic corruption in the Institutions that you claim to perceive?  Never!  I really must stress that even if all the members of all the worlds NSAs were hysterical control freaks (again, you are implying this, it seems), this does not in anyway invalidate the truth of the Faith.  It simply means we need to vote more intelligently.  Anyone of intelligence and a drop of objectivity and justice can readily discern that our votes could change the direction of the Faith in limitless ways.  Similarly, no one of intelligence could fail to discern that you are a classic example of the Wolf in Sheep&#8217;s Clothing that was addressed in the Hidden Words.  &#8221;Ye are even as the star, which riseth ere the dawn, and which, though it seem radiant and luminous, leadeth the wayfarers of My city astray into the paths of perdition.&#8221;  Finally, I must return to my earlier point.  If this Faith is not divine in origin then we have a man-made system populated by dupes, about whom you ought not to care so much.  If, indeed, this Faith has stemmed from a Divine source, and Baha&#8217;u'llah was infused with the Holy Spirit, then the best you can hope for with this insidious attack is a temporary dent in the fortunes of the Faith.  And if you manage to precipitate a crisis within the religion please don&#8217;t be too proud of yourself too quickly.  Because a true religion will bounce back from such a crisis, in the fullness of time, stronger than before.  </p>
<p>I am sorry for writing in such stentorian terms, but if you wish to attempt publicly to unravel the tenets of this religion I feel that I must respond.   </p>
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		<title>By: Desir0101</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/introduction-4.html/comment-page-10#comment-83095</link>
		<dc:creator>Desir0101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 18:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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Excerpt from the Will And Testament of Abdulbaha,


&#039;&#039;&#039;The sacred and youthful branch, the Guardian of the Cause of
God, as well as the Universal House of Justice to be universally elected and
established, are both under the care and protection of the Abhá Beauty, under
the shelter and unerring guidance of the Exalted One (may my life be offered up
for them both). Whatsoever they decide is of God. Whoso obeyeth him not,
neither obeyeth them, hath not obeyed God; whoso rebelleth against him and
against them hath rebelled against God; whoso opposeth him hath opposed God;
whoso contendeth with them hath contended with God; whoso disputeth with him
hath disputed with God; whoso denieth him hath denied God; whoso disbelieveth
in him hath disbelieved in God; whoso deviateth, separateth himself and turneth
aside from him hath in truth deviated, separated himself and turned aside from
God. May the wrath, the fierce
indignation, the vengeance of God rest upon him! The mighty stronghold
shall remain impregnable and safe through obedience to him who is the Guardian
of the Cause of God. It is incumbent upon the members of the House of Justice,
upon all the Aghsán, the Afnán, the Hands of the Cause of God to show
their obedience, submissiveness and subordination unto the Guardian of the
Cause of God, to turn unto him and be lowly before him. He that opposeth him
hath opposed the True One, will make a breach in the Cause of God, will subvert
His Word and will become a manifestation of the Center of
Sedition.&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;

How can an institution and a man without any claimed of Divine revelation can be invested with such infallible power.?????


&#039;&#039;&#039;should they show their enmity be friendly towards them,
should they poison your lives, sweeten their souls, should they inflict a wound
upon you, be a salve to their sores. Such are the attributes of the sincere!
Such are the attributes of the truthful.&#039;&#039;&#039;

What contrast. If you disagree with them you will face the vengeance of God, because they are God&#039;s reflection.
On the other hand if people inflicted you with so much harm show kindness to them.

How can a  so call prophet (Divine revelation) name a person to be His successor where the latter has no Divine claim.

And lest a Guardian.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excerpt from the Will And Testament of Abdulbaha,</p>
<p>&#8221;&#8217;The sacred and youthful branch, the Guardian of the Cause of<br />
God, as well as the Universal House of Justice to be universally elected and<br />
established, are both under the care and protection of the Abhá Beauty, under<br />
the shelter and unerring guidance of the Exalted One (may my life be offered up<br />
for them both). Whatsoever they decide is of God. Whoso obeyeth him not,<br />
neither obeyeth them, hath not obeyed God; whoso rebelleth against him and<br />
against them hath rebelled against God; whoso opposeth him hath opposed God;<br />
whoso contendeth with them hath contended with God; whoso disputeth with him<br />
hath disputed with God; whoso denieth him hath denied God; whoso disbelieveth<br />
in him hath disbelieved in God; whoso deviateth, separateth himself and turneth<br />
aside from him hath in truth deviated, separated himself and turned aside from<br />
God. May the wrath, the fierce<br />
indignation, the vengeance of God rest upon him! The mighty stronghold<br />
shall remain impregnable and safe through obedience to him who is the Guardian<br />
of the Cause of God. It is incumbent upon the members of the House of Justice,<br />
upon all the Aghsán, the Afnán, the Hands of the Cause of God to show<br />
their obedience, submissiveness and subordination unto the Guardian of the<br />
Cause of God, to turn unto him and be lowly before him. He that opposeth him<br />
hath opposed the True One, will make a breach in the Cause of God, will subvert<br />
His Word and will become a manifestation of the Center of<br />
Sedition.&#8221;&#8221;</p>
<p>How can an institution and a man without any claimed of Divine revelation can be invested with such infallible power.?????</p>
<p>&#8221;&#8217;should they show their enmity be friendly towards them,<br />
should they poison your lives, sweeten their souls, should they inflict a wound<br />
upon you, be a salve to their sores. Such are the attributes of the sincere!<br />
Such are the attributes of the truthful.&#8221;&#8217;</p>
<p>What contrast. If you disagree with them you will face the vengeance of God, because they are God&#8217;s reflection.<br />
On the other hand if people inflicted you with so much harm show kindness to them.</p>
<p>How can a  so call prophet (Divine revelation) name a person to be His successor where the latter has no Divine claim.</p>
<p>And lest a Guardian.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorenzo</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/introduction-4.html/comment-page-10#comment-83086</link>
		<dc:creator>Lorenzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for starting this site. Not all Bahai&#039;s leave the faith because they lose faith. Bahaullah left the faith of the Babis. No one is accusing Him of losing faith. He was driven out of the faith through the disunity of His presence. 

This is still a problem today. There is a sense of political correctness lead by the &#039;prominent&#039; members. Because of their &#039;prominence&#039; their political views are seen as infallible. So, all who disagree with the &#039;prominent&#039; ones are driven out of the faith. Not by the political &#039;power&#039; of the &#039;prominent&#039; ones, but by the persecuted one&#039;s sense of not wanting to be a cause of disunity. 

In Bahaullah&#039;s time, Mirza Yaya, held the reigns of political power. God allowed Mirza Yaya to mislead the faithful. 

Now the Bahai faith is infested with thousands of Mirza Yayas who drive out, in disgrace, all who disagree with them. The UHJ is doing nothing about it. Assuming that the UHJ is infallible, this is according to God&#039;s Divine plan. Why? Who knows. It is just the way it is. Perhaps there is a Divine lesson to be learned? 

To all who think the administrators of the faith are &#039;living the life&#039;, think again. It is taught that the fortunes of the faith hinge upon the faithful &#039;living the life&#039;. The fortunes of the faith have stagnated and declined. Of this, there is no doubt in my mind. The Bahais remain largely ignored by the masses. Only the rare politician will be seen in the shadows quietly patting their backs to get votes. 

As, to the OP&#039;s assertion of the administration&#039;s obsession with numbers... I agree. They see the numbers as the objective and goal. The numbers are only a measuring stick for those qualities that cannot be measured. Those qualities, like &#039;living the life&#039;, are the real goal, but cannot be measured except by the Father himself. The numbers show stagnation and perhaps decline.

Where are the Mashriqu&#039;l-Adhkárs? No where. Are there plans: nope. Why not? Hmmm. I guess it&#039;s not important. There are other things more important. What, I have no clue. 

This is a curious state of affairs, since we were promised that the completion of the Arc would create a new momentum and power. I have to ask myself... The power was not to cause entry of troops. So, there must be some other power yet to be comprehended. We will find out in the years to come. 

Another thing that is interesting. As a seeker, I was showered with something that seemed like love (it wasn&#039;t love). Throughout my term of membership I was seen as a threat. To what? I can only assume to their political power and ambitions. It is really laughable that members of such a small organization with virtually no power over anything is so obsessed with the accumulation of power. 

Yes, I am one of those driven from the Faith and labeled a covenant breaker because, as the treasurer, I questioned the financial manipulations of the Bahai fund by a &#039;prominent&#039; Bahai. Before I was elected treasurer the &#039;manipulations&#039; were kept secret from the community. Even though the &#039;manipulations&#039; were supposedly legal and ethical they were kept secret. If the &#039;manipulations&#039; were so legitimate, why was not the whole community allowed and encouraged to partake in the financial gold mine as well? Even after I brought up the issue the community was kept in the dark about what happened. It seems that only the &#039;prominent&#039; Bahais are allowed to manipulate the funds for financial gains. 

When I demanded the NSA send in a Continental Counselor to mediate they refused, saying my issue was too petty. I am being accused of covenant breaking and that apparently is too petty. When I demanded the NSA refund my contributions to the funds over the years because they breached their contract. They refused. Their money was too precious to them. They would rather keep the tainted money. 

I am not bitter about it. It is all part of God&#039;s plan. The &#039;prominent&#039; Bahais are not the enemy, they are the test. I left them with their misery and continued my spiritual journey. And, I will not come back until the time is right; until, they can learn to disagree with others without causing disunity. Until they feel that their financial dealings with the Funds can be brought out in the open. And, until then no one will pay a bit of attention to them.





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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for starting this site. Not all Bahai&#8217;s leave the faith because they lose faith. Bahaullah left the faith of the Babis. No one is accusing Him of losing faith. He was driven out of the faith through the disunity of His presence. </p>
<p>This is still a problem today. There is a sense of political correctness lead by the &#8216;prominent&#8217; members. Because of their &#8216;prominence&#8217; their political views are seen as infallible. So, all who disagree with the &#8216;prominent&#8217; ones are driven out of the faith. Not by the political &#8216;power&#8217; of the &#8216;prominent&#8217; ones, but by the persecuted one&#8217;s sense of not wanting to be a cause of disunity. </p>
<p>In Bahaullah&#8217;s time, Mirza Yaya, held the reigns of political power. God allowed Mirza Yaya to mislead the faithful. </p>
<p>Now the Bahai faith is infested with thousands of Mirza Yayas who drive out, in disgrace, all who disagree with them. The UHJ is doing nothing about it. Assuming that the UHJ is infallible, this is according to God&#8217;s Divine plan. Why? Who knows. It is just the way it is. Perhaps there is a Divine lesson to be learned? </p>
<p>To all who think the administrators of the faith are &#8216;living the life&#8217;, think again. It is taught that the fortunes of the faith hinge upon the faithful &#8216;living the life&#8217;. The fortunes of the faith have stagnated and declined. Of this, there is no doubt in my mind. The Bahais remain largely ignored by the masses. Only the rare politician will be seen in the shadows quietly patting their backs to get votes. </p>
<p>As, to the OP&#8217;s assertion of the administration&#8217;s obsession with numbers&#8230; I agree. They see the numbers as the objective and goal. The numbers are only a measuring stick for those qualities that cannot be measured. Those qualities, like &#8216;living the life&#8217;, are the real goal, but cannot be measured except by the Father himself. The numbers show stagnation and perhaps decline.</p>
<p>Where are the Mashriqu&#8217;l-Adhkárs? No where. Are there plans: nope. Why not? Hmmm. I guess it&#8217;s not important. There are other things more important. What, I have no clue. </p>
<p>This is a curious state of affairs, since we were promised that the completion of the Arc would create a new momentum and power. I have to ask myself&#8230; The power was not to cause entry of troops. So, there must be some other power yet to be comprehended. We will find out in the years to come. </p>
<p>Another thing that is interesting. As a seeker, I was showered with something that seemed like love (it wasn&#8217;t love). Throughout my term of membership I was seen as a threat. To what? I can only assume to their political power and ambitions. It is really laughable that members of such a small organization with virtually no power over anything is so obsessed with the accumulation of power. </p>
<p>Yes, I am one of those driven from the Faith and labeled a covenant breaker because, as the treasurer, I questioned the financial manipulations of the Bahai fund by a &#8216;prominent&#8217; Bahai. Before I was elected treasurer the &#8216;manipulations&#8217; were kept secret from the community. Even though the &#8216;manipulations&#8217; were supposedly legal and ethical they were kept secret. If the &#8216;manipulations&#8217; were so legitimate, why was not the whole community allowed and encouraged to partake in the financial gold mine as well? Even after I brought up the issue the community was kept in the dark about what happened. It seems that only the &#8216;prominent&#8217; Bahais are allowed to manipulate the funds for financial gains. </p>
<p>When I demanded the NSA send in a Continental Counselor to mediate they refused, saying my issue was too petty. I am being accused of covenant breaking and that apparently is too petty. When I demanded the NSA refund my contributions to the funds over the years because they breached their contract. They refused. Their money was too precious to them. They would rather keep the tainted money. </p>
<p>I am not bitter about it. It is all part of God&#8217;s plan. The &#8216;prominent&#8217; Bahais are not the enemy, they are the test. I left them with their misery and continued my spiritual journey. And, I will not come back until the time is right; until, they can learn to disagree with others without causing disunity. Until they feel that their financial dealings with the Funds can be brought out in the open. And, until then no one will pay a bit of attention to them.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Dec 2010 20:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THANK YOU for your courage in speaking the truth. I tried, so hard, for 20 years to stay but in the end I could not reconcile so many contradictions. I will always love Baha’u&#039;llah, but safely afar from the institutions that perpetrate often questionable acts in His Name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THANK YOU for your courage in speaking the truth. I tried, so hard, for 20 years to stay but in the end I could not reconcile so many contradictions. I will always love Baha’u&#8217;llah, but safely afar from the institutions that perpetrate often questionable acts in His Name.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2010 18:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baquia,

I was a &quot;Potential Bahai&quot; for a few years, but alas could not sign the card because, like you,  I wrestled with the same issues and drew similar conclusions. You are clearly a thoughtful, intelligent person.  </description>
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<p>I was a &#8220;Potential Bahai&#8221; for a few years, but alas could not sign the card because, like you,  I wrestled with the same issues and drew similar conclusions. You are clearly a thoughtful, intelligent person.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2010 16:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank You It helps to understand what I&#039;m feeling at times</description>
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		<title>By: Ronprice9</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 12:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted an introduction to the paradigmatic shift in the Baha’i community, the new culture of learning and growth that is at the heart of this paradigm, three years ago. I did this posting at several internet sites and have revised that post many times in these last three years as developments in the paradigm have come about, as new messages from Bahá&#039;í institutions have been published and as many individuals have commented verbally and in print on this new Baha&#039;i culture.  It seemed like a good idea to give readers some specific steps on how to access this now revised article, what is now a book of 180,000 words and nearly 400 pages and is found at Baha’i Library Online(BLO). 

With the publication at Ridvan of 2010 of an 8,000 word message from the Universal House of Justice--one of the longest messages of the Formative Age since a charismatic Force in the Person of Baha’u’llah was institutionalized in the Person of Abdul-Baha and then in the Guardianship and, in 1963, effloresced in that apex of Baha&#039;i administration—the Universal House of Justice, there has been much added to this book.

In the time this book has been on the internet there have been many thousand views of this analysis, this statement on the new paradigm at the few sites where it has been posted. In addition to googling “Baha’i Culture of Learning and Growth” and accessing this article in the process at several internet sites, readers can find this piece of writing at BLO by clicking on the following:

bahai-library.org/file.php?file=price_culture_learning_paradigm

Readers can also access the latest edition of this article at BLO by taking the following steps: (i) type Baha’i Library Online or Baha’i Academics Resource Library into your search engine; (ii) click on the small box “By author” at the top of the access page at BLO; (iii) type “Price” into the small box that then appears and click on the word “Go;” and then (iv) scroll down to article/document item #44 and (v) click on that item and read to your heart’s content. When your eyes and your mind start to glaze over, stop reading. The article can be downloaded free and you will then have access to this book, this context for all this new paradigmatic terminology that has come into the Baha’i community in the last 15 years and especially, as I say, with an integration of relevant passages from the latest House message.

My statement, my book, is a personal one, does not assume an adversarial attitude, attempts to give birth of as fine an etiquette of expression as I can muster and, I like to think, possesses both candour and critical thought on the one hand and praise and delight at the many interrelated processes involved in the execution of this paradigm on the other. I invite readers to what I also like to think is “a context on which relevant fundamental questions” regarding this new paradigm may be discussed within the Baha’i community. But, in the end, my writing, my words and all of the quotations I place in contexts to illustrate what I want to illustrate--amount to my take on this new Baha&#039;i paradigm after a decade and a half of its implementation.   My book possesses no authority. Indeed, such a remark hardly needs saying.

One of the advantages of the BLO site is the freedom it gives to a writer to update his or her article or book right on the site in an ongoing process as new insights from major thinkers in the Baha’i community and information from the elected and appointed institutions of the Cause comes to hand. If time and the inclination permit, check it out. No worries, no obligation, just if it interests you. You may find the piece of writing too long as I’m sure many readers do. It is certainly a view from the inside, but it is just one person’s view building as it does on the ideas and writings of others: Bahá&#039;í institutions and individuals. We each have a different experience on the inside of this paradigm, on the inside of this Faith or, indeed, living on the inside of our global society. You may find this book too personal due to the fact that I attempt to answer the questions: “where do I fit into this new paradigm?” “what have I done?” and “where am I going in my service to the wider community and in the exercise of my spiritual obligation to teach the Cause.  After a few paragraphs of reading, you will get the flavour of the exercise. Just keep reading if your mind and spirit are enjoying the process.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted an introduction to the paradigmatic shift in the Baha’i community, the new culture of learning and growth that is at the heart of this paradigm, three years ago. I did this posting at several internet sites and have revised that post many times in these last three years as developments in the paradigm have come about, as new messages from Bahá&#8217;í institutions have been published and as many individuals have commented verbally and in print on this new Baha&#8217;i culture.  It seemed like a good idea to give readers some specific steps on how to access this now revised article, what is now a book of 180,000 words and nearly 400 pages and is found at Baha’i Library Online(BLO). </p>
<p>With the publication at Ridvan of 2010 of an 8,000 word message from the Universal House of Justice&#8211;one of the longest messages of the Formative Age since a charismatic Force in the Person of Baha’u’llah was institutionalized in the Person of Abdul-Baha and then in the Guardianship and, in 1963, effloresced in that apex of Baha&#8217;i administration—the Universal House of Justice, there has been much added to this book.</p>
<p>In the time this book has been on the internet there have been many thousand views of this analysis, this statement on the new paradigm at the few sites where it has been posted. In addition to googling “Baha’i Culture of Learning and Growth” and accessing this article in the process at several internet sites, readers can find this piece of writing at BLO by clicking on the following:</p>
<p>bahai-library.org/file.php?file=price_culture_learning_paradigm</p>
<p>Readers can also access the latest edition of this article at BLO by taking the following steps: (i) type Baha’i Library Online or Baha’i Academics Resource Library into your search engine; (ii) click on the small box “By author” at the top of the access page at BLO; (iii) type “Price” into the small box that then appears and click on the word “Go;” and then (iv) scroll down to article/document item #44 and (v) click on that item and read to your heart’s content. When your eyes and your mind start to glaze over, stop reading. The article can be downloaded free and you will then have access to this book, this context for all this new paradigmatic terminology that has come into the Baha’i community in the last 15 years and especially, as I say, with an integration of relevant passages from the latest House message.</p>
<p>My statement, my book, is a personal one, does not assume an adversarial attitude, attempts to give birth of as fine an etiquette of expression as I can muster and, I like to think, possesses both candour and critical thought on the one hand and praise and delight at the many interrelated processes involved in the execution of this paradigm on the other. I invite readers to what I also like to think is “a context on which relevant fundamental questions” regarding this new paradigm may be discussed within the Baha’i community. But, in the end, my writing, my words and all of the quotations I place in contexts to illustrate what I want to illustrate&#8211;amount to my take on this new Baha&#8217;i paradigm after a decade and a half of its implementation.   My book possesses no authority. Indeed, such a remark hardly needs saying.</p>
<p>One of the advantages of the BLO site is the freedom it gives to a writer to update his or her article or book right on the site in an ongoing process as new insights from major thinkers in the Baha’i community and information from the elected and appointed institutions of the Cause comes to hand. If time and the inclination permit, check it out. No worries, no obligation, just if it interests you. You may find the piece of writing too long as I’m sure many readers do. It is certainly a view from the inside, but it is just one person’s view building as it does on the ideas and writings of others: Bahá&#8217;í institutions and individuals. We each have a different experience on the inside of this paradigm, on the inside of this Faith or, indeed, living on the inside of our global society. You may find this book too personal due to the fact that I attempt to answer the questions: “where do I fit into this new paradigm?” “what have I done?” and “where am I going in my service to the wider community and in the exercise of my spiritual obligation to teach the Cause.  After a few paragraphs of reading, you will get the flavour of the exercise. Just keep reading if your mind and spirit are enjoying the process.</p>
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