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		<title>By: Fubar</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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Shelley Erickson &#124; January 14, 5:36 PM ET

Professor William Black states the crime is aroung a hundred times worse, than when he helped put over 800 in jail in the 1980&#039;s so I exspect there should have been around eight thousand in jail long ago. These criminal institutions have enbedded judges attoreys and represenatives into the system to undo laws and deregulate the banks so they could steal and get a way with it, I believe most of the local court judges to be corrupt, with a minority that are not. Just my belief and a lot of parties on the web and Pro Se case law supporting my belief.
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Professor William Black:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-k-black/how-the-servant-became-a_b_318010.html
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<p>Excerpt:<br />
[from blog comments]<br />
Shelley Erickson | January 14, 5:36 PM ET</p>
<p>Professor William Black states the crime is aroung a hundred times worse, than when he helped put over 800 in jail in the 1980&#8242;s so I exspect there should have been around eight thousand in jail long ago. These criminal institutions have enbedded judges attoreys and represenatives into the system to undo laws and deregulate the banks so they could steal and get a way with it, I believe most of the local court judges to be corrupt, with a minority that are not. Just my belief and a lot of parties on the web and Pro Se case law supporting my belief.<br />
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<p>&#8212;end excerpts&#8212;</p>
<p>Professor William Black:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-k-black/how-the-servant-became-a_b_318010.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-k-black/how-the-servant-became-a_b_318010.html</a><br />
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		<title>By: Fubar</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 15:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case you haen&#039;t already seen it, more interesting background on Wall St. scandals:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/everything-you-need-to-know-about-wall-street-in-one-brief-tale-20120113</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case you haen&#8217;t already seen it, more interesting background on Wall St. scandals:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/everything-you-need-to-know-about-wall-street-in-one-brief-tale-20120113" rel="nofollow">http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/everything-you-need-to-know-about-wall-street-in-one-brief-tale-20120113</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fubar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fubar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately I&#039;ve never seen a specific definition of the 1% from OWS. I generally support OWS (to the extent that its goal are consistent with anarcho-libertarian integralism), and have tried to read up on the movement. If you know of a specific OWS definition for the &quot;1%&quot;, please let me know.

I would suggest the following general categories as a start:

1. Big banks and finance operations, specifically the &quot;0.01 %&quot; identified by the previously mentioned social scientists. Lobbyists/politicians working for the above. This would include &#039;Wall St.&quot;, London, Amsterdam, Dubai, and perhaps Hong Kong or other Chinese banks and finance schemes and other elements of the &quot;electronic herd&quot; of global investors.

2. Top levels of corporate elements of the military-industrial-complex and related national security apparatus. Lobbyists/politicians working for the above.

3. Big oil (e.g. Koch Bros). Lobbyists/politicians working for the above.

Google is of course owned by some &quot;1%&quot; types (as are the computer companies that made your PC and mine), but anyways, here is what appars to to be the first relevant &quot;page one&quot; entry on google:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/10/brad-pitt-talks-occupy-wall-street-moneyball_n_1086423.html

hmmm. not so useful.

Somewhat better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street#We_are_the_99.25

&quot;In 2007 the richest 1% of the American population owned 34.6% of the country&#039;s total wealth, and the next 19% owned 50.5%. Thus, the top 20% of Americans owned 85% of the country&#039;s wealth and the bottom 80% of the population owned 15%. &quot;

So, in reality, the top 1% are the biggest problem (35% of wealth), but there is another 19% that contribute significantly to the problem (and additional 15% of wealth).

Averaging it out, the extermination of corrupt/ultra-wealthy and their supporters that you have suggested would probably have to reach at least a 10% level, or several 10s of millions of people. This would present signifcant logistical problems, including negative environmental impacts (disposal of millions of bodies) and disruption of businesses providing goods/services to the mass of consumers.

---

It also might be worth mentioning that in Spain, the &quot;Indignados&quot; protest movement that OWs took some of its inspiration from took place at the same time that what was commonly seen as a failed socialist (Zapatero) coalition that had been in power for several years through the economic downturn was recently voted out in favor of the right wing pro-globalist/corporatist PP (Partido Popular &quot;Popular Party&quot;).

And, it does not look like the Arab Spring is going to result in a flourishing &quot;liberal&quot; political culture in places like Eqypt.

In the USA, the main feature of the original failure of the opposition to the uber-concentration of wealth was the manner in which the Left, and its Labor allies, became discredited in the 70s, *initially* most noticeably during the Carter administration (not Reagan).

With no legitimate, significant opposition at that time, the &quot;vast right wing&quot; conspiracy was able to put in position an array of initiatives to effect the concentration of wealth and, via the establishment of various right wing and pro-corporatist think thanks, public opinion was manipulated in such a way as to make it seem that the program of the corporatists/plutocrats was &quot;patriotic&quot;, rather than destructive of democracy and the US Constitution.

A &quot;globalized&quot; world economy combined with the toxic economic scheme hatched during the Carter/Reagan years was the deadly combo resulting in the rapid slide toward Plutocracy.

Police forces in large urban areas in the USA have a long history of excelling at brutally suppressing anti-establishment protest movements.

http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/president-obama-signs-indefinite-detention-law</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately I&#8217;ve never seen a specific definition of the 1% from OWS. I generally support OWS (to the extent that its goal are consistent with anarcho-libertarian integralism), and have tried to read up on the movement. If you know of a specific OWS definition for the &#8220;1%&#8221;, please let me know.</p>
<p>I would suggest the following general categories as a start:</p>
<p>1. Big banks and finance operations, specifically the &#8220;0.01 %&#8221; identified by the previously mentioned social scientists. Lobbyists/politicians working for the above. This would include &#8216;Wall St.&#8221;, London, Amsterdam, Dubai, and perhaps Hong Kong or other Chinese banks and finance schemes and other elements of the &#8220;electronic herd&#8221; of global investors.</p>
<p>2. Top levels of corporate elements of the military-industrial-complex and related national security apparatus. Lobbyists/politicians working for the above.</p>
<p>3. Big oil (e.g. Koch Bros). Lobbyists/politicians working for the above.</p>
<p>Google is of course owned by some &#8220;1%&#8221; types (as are the computer companies that made your PC and mine), but anyways, here is what appars to to be the first relevant &#8220;page one&#8221; entry on google:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/10/brad-pitt-talks-occupy-wall-street-moneyball_n_1086423.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/10/brad-pitt-talks-occupy-wall-street-moneyball_n_1086423.html</a></p>
<p>hmmm. not so useful.</p>
<p>Somewhat better: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street#We_are_the_99.25" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street#We_are_the_99.25</a></p>
<p>&#8220;In 2007 the richest 1% of the American population owned 34.6% of the country&#8217;s total wealth, and the next 19% owned 50.5%. Thus, the top 20% of Americans owned 85% of the country&#8217;s wealth and the bottom 80% of the population owned 15%. &#8221;</p>
<p>So, in reality, the top 1% are the biggest problem (35% of wealth), but there is another 19% that contribute significantly to the problem (and additional 15% of wealth).</p>
<p>Averaging it out, the extermination of corrupt/ultra-wealthy and their supporters that you have suggested would probably have to reach at least a 10% level, or several 10s of millions of people. This would present signifcant logistical problems, including negative environmental impacts (disposal of millions of bodies) and disruption of businesses providing goods/services to the mass of consumers.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>It also might be worth mentioning that in Spain, the &#8220;Indignados&#8221; protest movement that OWs took some of its inspiration from took place at the same time that what was commonly seen as a failed socialist (Zapatero) coalition that had been in power for several years through the economic downturn was recently voted out in favor of the right wing pro-globalist/corporatist PP (Partido Popular &#8220;Popular Party&#8221;).</p>
<p>And, it does not look like the Arab Spring is going to result in a flourishing &#8220;liberal&#8221; political culture in places like Eqypt.</p>
<p>In the USA, the main feature of the original failure of the opposition to the uber-concentration of wealth was the manner in which the Left, and its Labor allies, became discredited in the 70s, *initially* most noticeably during the Carter administration (not Reagan).</p>
<p>With no legitimate, significant opposition at that time, the &#8220;vast right wing&#8221; conspiracy was able to put in position an array of initiatives to effect the concentration of wealth and, via the establishment of various right wing and pro-corporatist think thanks, public opinion was manipulated in such a way as to make it seem that the program of the corporatists/plutocrats was &#8220;patriotic&#8221;, rather than destructive of democracy and the US Constitution.</p>
<p>A &#8221;globalized&#8221; world economy combined with the toxic economic scheme hatched during the Carter/Reagan years was the deadly combo resulting in the rapid slide toward Plutocracy.</p>
<p>Police forces in large urban areas in the USA have a long history of excelling at brutally suppressing anti-establishment protest movements.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/president-obama-signs-indefinite-detention-law" rel="nofollow">http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/president-obama-signs-indefinite-detention-law</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fubar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fubar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately I&#039;ve never seen a specific definition of the 1% from OWS. I generally support OWS (to the extent that its goal are consistent with anarcho-libertarian integralism), and have tried to read up on the movement. If you know of a specific OWS definition for the &quot;1%&quot;, please let me know.

I would suggest the following general categories as a start:

1. Big banks and finance operations, specifically the &quot;0.01 %&quot; identified by the previously mentioned social scientists. Lobbyists/politicians working for the above. This would include &#039;Wall St.&quot;, London, Amsterdam, Dubai, and perhaps Hong Kong or other Chinese banks and finance schemes and other elements of the &quot;electronic herd&quot; of global investors.

2. Top levels of corporate elements of the military-industrial-complex and related national security apparatus. Lobbyists/politicians working for the above.

3. Big oil (e.g. Koch Bros). Lobbyists/politicians working for the above.

Google is of course owned by some &quot;1%&quot; types (as are the computer companies that made your PC and mine), but anyways, here is what appars to to be the first relevant &quot;page one&quot; entry on google:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/10/brad-pitt-talks-occupy-wall-street-moneyball_n_1086423.html

hmmm. not so useful.

Somewhat better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street#We_are_the_99.25

&quot;In 2007 the richest 1% of the American population owned 34.6% of the country&#039;s total wealth, and the next 19% owned 50.5%. Thus, the top 20% of Americans owned 85% of the country&#039;s wealth and the bottom 80% of the population owned 15%. &quot;

So, in reality, the top 1% are the biggest problem (35% of wealth), but there is another 19% that contribute significantly to the problem (and additional 15% of wealth).

Averaging it out, the extermination of corrupt/ultra-wealthy and their supporters that you have suggested would probably have to reach at least a 10% level, or several 10s of millions of people. This would present signifcant logistical problems, including negative environmental impacts (disposal of millions of bodies) and disruption of businesses providing goods/services to the mass of consumers.

---

It also might be worth mentioning that in Spain, the &quot;Indignados&quot; protest movement that OWs took some of its inspiration from took place at the same time that what was commonly seen as a failed socialist (Zapatero) coalition that had been in power for several years through the economic downturn was recently voted out in favor of the right wing pro-globalist/corporatist PP (Partido Popular &quot;Popular Party&quot;).

And, it does not look like the Arab Spring is going to result in a flourishing &quot;liberal&quot; political culture in places like Eqypt.

In the USA, the main feature of the original failure of the opposition to the uber-concentration of wealth was the manner in which the Left, and its Labor allies, became discredited in the 70s, *initially* most noticeably during the Carter administration (not Reagan).

With no legitimate, significant opposition at that time, the &quot;vast right wing&quot; conspiracy was able to put in position an array of initiatives to effect the concentration of wealth and, via the establishment of various right wing and pro-corporatist think thanks, public opinion was manipulated in such a way as to make it seem that the program of the corporatists/plutocrats was &quot;patriotic&quot;, rather than destructive of democracy and the US Constitution.

A &quot;globalized&quot; world economy combined with the toxic economic scheme hatched during the Carter/Reagan years was the deadly combo resulting in the rapid slide toward Plutocracy.

Police forces in large urban areas in the USA have a long history of excelling at brutally suppressing anti-establishment protest movements.

http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/president-obama-signs-indefinite-detention-law</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately I&#8217;ve never seen a specific definition of the 1% from OWS. I generally support OWS (to the extent that its goal are consistent with anarcho-libertarian integralism), and have tried to read up on the movement. If you know of a specific OWS definition for the &#8220;1%&#8221;, please let me know.</p>
<p>I would suggest the following general categories as a start:</p>
<p>1. Big banks and finance operations, specifically the &#8220;0.01 %&#8221; identified by the previously mentioned social scientists. Lobbyists/politicians working for the above. This would include &#8216;Wall St.&#8221;, London, Amsterdam, Dubai, and perhaps Hong Kong or other Chinese banks and finance schemes and other elements of the &#8220;electronic herd&#8221; of global investors.</p>
<p>2. Top levels of corporate elements of the military-industrial-complex and related national security apparatus. Lobbyists/politicians working for the above.</p>
<p>3. Big oil (e.g. Koch Bros). Lobbyists/politicians working for the above.</p>
<p>Google is of course owned by some &#8220;1%&#8221; types (as are the computer companies that made your PC and mine), but anyways, here is what appars to to be the first relevant &#8220;page one&#8221; entry on google:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/10/brad-pitt-talks-occupy-wall-street-moneyball_n_1086423.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/10/brad-pitt-talks-occupy-wall-street-moneyball_n_1086423.html</a></p>
<p>hmmm. not so useful.</p>
<p>Somewhat better: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street#We_are_the_99.25" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street#We_are_the_99.25</a></p>
<p>&#8220;In 2007 the richest 1% of the American population owned 34.6% of the country&#8217;s total wealth, and the next 19% owned 50.5%. Thus, the top 20% of Americans owned 85% of the country&#8217;s wealth and the bottom 80% of the population owned 15%. &#8221;</p>
<p>So, in reality, the top 1% are the biggest problem (35% of wealth), but there is another 19% that contribute significantly to the problem (and additional 15% of wealth).</p>
<p>Averaging it out, the extermination of corrupt/ultra-wealthy and their supporters that you have suggested would probably have to reach at least a 10% level, or several 10s of millions of people. This would present signifcant logistical problems, including negative environmental impacts (disposal of millions of bodies) and disruption of businesses providing goods/services to the mass of consumers.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>It also might be worth mentioning that in Spain, the &#8220;Indignados&#8221; protest movement that OWs took some of its inspiration from took place at the same time that what was commonly seen as a failed socialist (Zapatero) coalition that had been in power for several years through the economic downturn was recently voted out in favor of the right wing pro-globalist/corporatist PP (Partido Popular &#8220;Popular Party&#8221;).</p>
<p>And, it does not look like the Arab Spring is going to result in a flourishing &#8220;liberal&#8221; political culture in places like Eqypt.</p>
<p>In the USA, the main feature of the original failure of the opposition to the uber-concentration of wealth was the manner in which the Left, and its Labor allies, became discredited in the 70s, *initially* most noticeably during the Carter administration (not Reagan).</p>
<p>With no legitimate, significant opposition at that time, the &#8220;vast right wing&#8221; conspiracy was able to put in position an array of initiatives to effect the concentration of wealth and, via the establishment of various right wing and pro-corporatist think thanks, public opinion was manipulated in such a way as to make it seem that the program of the corporatists/plutocrats was &#8220;patriotic&#8221;, rather than destructive of democracy and the US Constitution.</p>
<p>A &#8221;globalized&#8221; world economy combined with the toxic economic scheme hatched during the Carter/Reagan years was the deadly combo resulting in the rapid slide toward Plutocracy.</p>
<p>Police forces in large urban areas in the USA have a long history of excelling at brutally suppressing anti-establishment protest movements.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/president-obama-signs-indefinite-detention-law" rel="nofollow">http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/president-obama-signs-indefinite-detention-law</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fubar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fubar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 16:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Nima, great hearing from you as always. 
As far as I can tell, human beings have been capable of mass exterminations, imperial schemes, enslavement, and so forth since ancient times, regardless of nationality, ethnicity, religion, etc.

It is unfortunate that the latest version is enhanced by the economic and technical superiority of the West.

Anyways, I was just wondering about the practical problems of how to  exterminate what could be millions of people, and if you have any suggestions about how it would be done, and the effects on culture. For instance, when the Left exterminated even small numbers (perhaps a few 1,000s) of ultra-rich in Spain during the Civil War (1930s), the result was 50+ years of reactionary right-wing dictatorship (supported by most of the people in the &quot;majority&quot;). My guess is that the US National Security Apparatus and various Police Powers would easily defeat any such attempted attacks (based on previous worker/protest uprising in the USA). Any such  reactionary response would mean that the USA had taken the final step to fascism/totalitarianism, but it is a much smaller step now than in the past.

Thomas Drake: bogus espionage charges used in attempt to cover up corruption in the military-industrial-complex:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20122207-503544.html

&quot;Ellsberg: All the crimes Nixon committed against me are now legal&quot;

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/06/09/ellsberg-all-the-crimes-nixon-committed-against-me-are-now-legal/

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Nima, great hearing from you as always. <br />
As far as I can tell, human beings have been capable of mass exterminations, imperial schemes, enslavement, and so forth since ancient times, regardless of nationality, ethnicity, religion, etc.</p>
<p>It is unfortunate that the latest version is enhanced by the economic and technical superiority of the West.</p>
<p>Anyways, I was just wondering about the practical problems of how to  exterminate what could be millions of people, and if you have any suggestions about how it would be done, and the effects on culture. For instance, when the Left exterminated even small numbers (perhaps a few 1,000s) of ultra-rich in Spain during the Civil War (1930s), the result was 50+ years of reactionary right-wing dictatorship (supported by most of the people in the &#8220;majority&#8221;). My guess is that the US National Security Apparatus and various Police Powers would easily defeat any such attempted attacks (based on previous worker/protest uprising in the USA). Any such  reactionary response would mean that the USA had taken the final step to fascism/totalitarianism, but it is a much smaller step now than in the past.</p>
<p>Thomas Drake: bogus espionage charges used in attempt to cover up corruption in the military-industrial-complex:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20122207-503544.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20122207-503544.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Ellsberg: All the crimes Nixon committed against me are now legal&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/06/09/ellsberg-all-the-crimes-nixon-committed-against-me-are-now-legal/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/06/09/ellsberg-all-the-crimes-nixon-committed-against-me-are-now-legal/</a></p>
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		<title>By: wahidazal66</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 06:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting when Anglo-Europeans march their war-machines and exterminate millions of innocent people in assorted parts of the world we are later led to believe such actions to be &quot;humanitarian interventions&quot; and other such Newspeak nonsense. But when the shoe is turned on the other foot, and calls are made for the collective lynching of the plutocracy, certain people begin citing ridiculous statistics and making moronic arguments. The plutocracy and corporatocratic criminals in the West are no less (actually more so) criminals than the assorted Taliban and al-CIA-duh leaders Anglo-American establishments love to kill. Absolutely, these criminals should be lynched en masse and those who have aided and abetted them in any way should likewise be brought to book en masse to face the music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting when Anglo-Europeans march their war-machines and exterminate millions of innocent people in assorted parts of the world we are later led to believe such actions to be &#8220;humanitarian interventions&#8221; and other such Newspeak nonsense. But when the shoe is turned on the other foot, and calls are made for the collective lynching of the plutocracy, certain people begin citing ridiculous statistics and making moronic arguments. The plutocracy and corporatocratic criminals in the West are no less (actually more so) criminals than the assorted Taliban and al-CIA-duh leaders Anglo-American establishments love to kill. Absolutely, these criminals should be lynched en masse and those who have aided and abetted them in any way should likewise be brought to book en masse to face the music.</p>
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		<title>By: wahidazal66</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 01:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 1% as defined by OWS.</description>
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		<title>By: Fubar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fubar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 02:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nima said: &quot;Be that as it may, we are now living in the NWO the Bahais so tirelessly helped create.  &quot;

Bahais advanced the idea of some kind of NWO (for purposes of world peace and economic equality!), but at least in the openly available written records of the religion, there was no EXPLICIT intent to create a corrupt global system of state-capitalism (plutocracy) as far as I can tell.

In my opinion, bahai scripture and &quot;official&quot; guidance is maddeningly vague on the real issues of economic justice and politics.

Late in his life, shoghi effendi made some unfortunate statements that seemed to indicate that the goal of bahaism was to create a scaled up global imperialist system, a hybrid of Christendom and Islam, but this was only in response to radical national liberation movements and rebellions against european colonialism. Even so, I am not aware that the principle of opposition to &quot;concentration of wealth&quot; was ever suspended.

No question that some bahais from the upper echelons have attempted to &quot;cozy up&quot; to the corporatists and plutocrats, but other than some relatively indirect influence, it seem very unlikely that bahais steered the process in any significant manner.

There were large scale global mercantile organizations that operated in previous centuries, such as the Hudson&#039;s Bay Company, and other similar enterprises in Asia, India, Africa, etc.

If bahaism had never become as widespread as it is, would all the  problems of state-capitalism and global economics still exist? I think so. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nima said: &#8220;Be that as it may, we are now living in the NWO the Bahais so tirelessly helped create.  &#8221;</p>
<p>Bahais advanced the idea of some kind of NWO (for purposes of world peace and economic equality!), but at least in the openly available written records of the religion, there was no EXPLICIT intent to create a corrupt global system of state-capitalism (plutocracy) as far as I can tell.</p>
<p>In my opinion, bahai scripture and &#8220;official&#8221; guidance is maddeningly vague on the real issues of economic justice and politics.</p>
<p>Late in his life, shoghi effendi made some unfortunate statements that seemed to indicate that the goal of bahaism was to create a scaled up global imperialist system, a hybrid of Christendom and Islam, but this was only in response to radical national liberation movements and rebellions against european colonialism. Even so, I am not aware that the principle of opposition to &#8220;concentration of wealth&#8221; was ever suspended.</p>
<p>No question that some bahais from the upper echelons have attempted to &#8220;cozy up&#8221; to the corporatists and plutocrats, but other than some relatively indirect influence, it seem very unlikely that bahais steered the process in any significant manner.</p>
<p>There were large scale global mercantile organizations that operated in previous centuries, such as the Hudson&#8217;s Bay Company, and other similar enterprises in Asia, India, Africa, etc.</p>
<p>If bahaism had never become as widespread as it is, would all the  problems of state-capitalism and global economics still exist? I think so. </p>
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		<title>By: Fubar</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 02:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2011/04/08/26538/

So, assuming that the social scientists quoted at the above blog are correct that .01% of corporate, bank and finance managers are mainly responsible for the intense concentration of wealth since the 1970s, and that the Left&#039;s tradition resistance to such concentration of wealth was discredited, and that middle class and working people became complacent,  lazy and stupid, one must wonder what the possibilities are for reforms or other processes of social change oriented toward economic justice?

For instance, is it possible to revive something like the Left&#039;s opposition to Plutocracy? If so, then it would be necessary to conduct an analysis of why the Left became discredited. What was the problem with the paradigm, or tactics, of the left? How did postmodern culture, or other social forces contribute to the problem?

If the slide toward Plutocracy can&#039;t reasonably be seen to be reversible, what role will religion and spirituality play in a world ruled by Plutocrats?

How is it possible for a religion premised on infallibility to make a significant contribution toward social justice movements? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: <a href="http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2011/04/08/26538/" rel="nofollow">http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2011/04/08/26538/</a></p>
<p>So, assuming that the social scientists quoted at the above blog are correct that .01% of corporate, bank and finance managers are mainly responsible for the intense concentration of wealth since the 1970s, and that the Left&#8217;s tradition resistance to such concentration of wealth was discredited, and that middle class and working people became complacent,  lazy and stupid, one must wonder what the possibilities are for reforms or other processes of social change oriented toward economic justice?</p>
<p>For instance, is it possible to revive something like the Left&#8217;s opposition to Plutocracy? If so, then it would be necessary to conduct an analysis of why the Left became discredited. What was the problem with the paradigm, or tactics, of the left? How did postmodern culture, or other social forces contribute to the problem?</p>
<p>If the slide toward Plutocracy can&#8217;t reasonably be seen to be reversible, what role will religion and spirituality play in a world ruled by Plutocrats?</p>
<p>How is it possible for a religion premised on infallibility to make a significant contribution toward social justice movements? </p>
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