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		<title>By: Wahid Azal</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/is-the-universal-house-of-justice-infallible-part-ii-206.html/comment-page-3#comment-83579</link>
		<dc:creator>Wahid Azal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 09:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;To understand fully the reason for the decision to launch the attack on the Shah, some history is required.
 

 The goal of the final phase of the City of London [Corporation]&#039;s 
Operation Pahlavi was - and is - the destruction of the European
 Monetary System. The primary motivation on the part of the British was 
to unleash chaos and confusion in Iran and the Persian, Gulf generally 
in order to disrupt the partnership that had begun to emerge since 1975 
among France and West Germany, the socialist countries, and the leading 
nations of the Islamic world: including the Arabs, Iran, Pakistan, and 
Turkey. With the accelerating motion in that direction at the start of 
1978, including the July 1978 Bremen accords of the EEC, the attack on 
Iran also accelerated.  By December 1978, this British policy - 
as enunciated by the London Economist in its famous article, &quot;The 
Crumbling Triangle&quot; - became known as the &quot;arc of crisis&quot; policy, 
its primary U.S. advocates were the London agents Henry A. Kissinger and
 Zbigniew Brzezinski. The goal of the policy was twofold: the rapid 
reversal of the potential for regional economic development in 
high-technology, capital-intensive projects such as the ambitious 
nuclear energy plans of both the Shah and Pakistan&#039;s Prime Minister 
Zulfikar Ali Bhutto; and the precipitation of a U.S.-Soviet 
confrontation over the Middle East. A rapid survey of recent Iranian 
history will clarify the process from the Iranian side...&quot;  http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=%22city+of+london%22+%22operation+pahlavi%22&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1&amp;ved=0CB8QFjAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.larouchepub.com%2Feiw%2Fpublic%2F1979%2Feirv06n07-19790220%2Feirv06n07-19790220_029-who_toppled_irans_shah.pdf&amp;ei=onAeT-_fF8-ViAfitdj2DQ&amp;usg=AFQjCNGCdvWYcgLJBY4PmrbdQLJ7Q0NbVw&amp;cad=rja</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;To understand fully the reason for the decision to launch the attack on the Shah, some history is required.</p>
<p> The goal of the final phase of the City of London [Corporation]&#8216;s<br />
Operation Pahlavi was &#8211; and is &#8211; the destruction of the European<br />
 Monetary System. The primary motivation on the part of the British was<br />
to unleash chaos and confusion in Iran and the Persian, Gulf generally<br />
in order to disrupt the partnership that had begun to emerge since 1975<br />
among France and West Germany, the socialist countries, and the leading<br />
nations of the Islamic world: including the Arabs, Iran, Pakistan, and<br />
Turkey. With the accelerating motion in that direction at the start of<br />
1978, including the July 1978 Bremen accords of the EEC, the attack on<br />
Iran also accelerated.  By December 1978, this British policy &#8211;<br />
as enunciated by the London Economist in its famous article, &#8220;The<br />
Crumbling Triangle&#8221; &#8211; became known as the &#8220;arc of crisis&#8221; policy,<br />
its primary U.S. advocates were the London agents Henry A. Kissinger and<br />
 Zbigniew Brzezinski. The goal of the policy was twofold: the rapid<br />
reversal of the potential for regional economic development in<br />
high-technology, capital-intensive projects such as the ambitious<br />
nuclear energy plans of both the Shah and Pakistan&#8217;s Prime Minister<br />
Zulfikar Ali Bhutto; and the precipitation of a U.S.-Soviet<br />
confrontation over the Middle East. A rapid survey of recent Iranian<br />
history will clarify the process from the Iranian side&#8230;&#8221;  <a href="http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&#038;rct=j&#038;q=%22city+of+london%22+%22operation+pahlavi%22&#038;source=web&#038;cd=1&#038;ved=0CB8QFjAA&#038;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.larouchepub.com%2Feiw%2Fpublic%2F1979%2Feirv06n07-19790220%2Feirv06n07-19790220_029-who_toppled_irans_shah.pdf&#038;ei=onAeT-_fF8-ViAfitdj2DQ&#038;usg=AFQjCNGCdvWYcgLJBY4PmrbdQLJ7Q0NbVw&#038;cad=rja" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&#038;rct=j&#038;q=%22city+of+london%22+%22operation+pahlavi%22&#038;source=web&#038;cd=1&#038;ved=0CB8QFjAA&#038;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.larouchepub.com%2Feiw%2Fpublic%2F1979%2Feirv06n07-19790220%2Feirv06n07-19790220_029-who_toppled_irans_shah.pdf&#038;ei=onAeT-_fF8-ViAfitdj2DQ&#038;usg=AFQjCNGCdvWYcgLJBY4PmrbdQLJ7Q0NbVw&#038;cad=rja</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wahid Azal</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/is-the-universal-house-of-justice-infallible-part-ii-206.html/comment-page-3#comment-83578</link>
		<dc:creator>Wahid Azal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 09:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“First, within Iran itself, an overlapping network of field agents and 
organ izations led the destabilization of the Shah in its early phases, 
beginning in January 1978. The center of this network is the Bahai Cult,
 a secret quasi-Islamic sect whose 
creation was sponsored directly by British intelligence through the 
Scottish Rite of Freemasonry in the 19th century. There are at least 
300,000 Bahais in Iran, although the headquarters of the movement is in 
Evanston, Illinois, and its chief temple of worship is located in Haifa,
 Israel. Even today, the British government is the chief financial 
backer of the Bahai, who are considered to be &quot;an arm of the British 
government” by leading Iranians.  The Bahai cult, which included
 among its members most of the old landed Iranian oligarchy, exercised 
tremendous power in Iran as a secret society that penetrated all aspects
 of Iranian life including the royal court. The Bahai were also the 
chief liaison between leading Iranian circles and Israeli Intelligence, 
via Scotland Yard. During the first phase of the Shah&#039;s moves to halt 
the operation, he arrested large numbers of Bahai cultists, including 
several top generals, his own personal physician , the chairman of the 
Bank Saderat, and Prime Minister Hoveyda.   Interestingly, the 
Bank Saderat chairman was also found to have been one of the prime 
financial backers of the burgeoning Shi&#039;ite opposition to the Shah 
through his contacts with the Ayatollah Nouri, who was caught receiving 
large payments from the bank to mobilize his religious followers against
 the Shah.  The Bahai-oligarchy circles, according to reliable 
Iranian reports, were largely comprised of men who had been on the 
pay-roll of British Petroleum (formerly known as the Anglo-Persian Oil 
Company) for as many as 40 years.”  P.30 (p.32 in PDF) http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/1979/eirv06n07-19790220/eirv06n07-19790220.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“First, within Iran itself, an overlapping network of field agents and<br />
organ izations led the destabilization of the Shah in its early phases,<br />
beginning in January 1978. The center of this network is the Bahai Cult,<br />
 a secret quasi-Islamic sect whose<br />
creation was sponsored directly by British intelligence through the<br />
Scottish Rite of Freemasonry in the 19th century. There are at least<br />
300,000 Bahais in Iran, although the headquarters of the movement is in<br />
Evanston, Illinois, and its chief temple of worship is located in Haifa,<br />
 Israel. Even today, the British government is the chief financial<br />
backer of the Bahai, who are considered to be &#8220;an arm of the British<br />
government” by leading Iranians.  The Bahai cult, which included<br />
 among its members most of the old landed Iranian oligarchy, exercised<br />
tremendous power in Iran as a secret society that penetrated all aspects<br />
 of Iranian life including the royal court. The Bahai were also the<br />
chief liaison between leading Iranian circles and Israeli Intelligence,<br />
via Scotland Yard. During the first phase of the Shah&#8217;s moves to halt<br />
the operation, he arrested large numbers of Bahai cultists, including<br />
several top generals, his own personal physician , the chairman of the<br />
Bank Saderat, and Prime Minister Hoveyda.   Interestingly, the<br />
Bank Saderat chairman was also found to have been one of the prime<br />
financial backers of the burgeoning Shi&#8217;ite opposition to the Shah<br />
through his contacts with the Ayatollah Nouri, who was caught receiving<br />
large payments from the bank to mobilize his religious followers against<br />
 the Shah.  The Bahai-oligarchy circles, according to reliable<br />
Iranian reports, were largely comprised of men who had been on the<br />
pay-roll of British Petroleum (formerly known as the Anglo-Persian Oil<br />
Company) for as many as 40 years.”  P.30 (p.32 in PDF) <a href="http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/1979/eirv06n07-19790220/eirv06n07-19790220.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/1979/eirv06n07-19790220/eirv06n07-19790220.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fubar</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/is-the-universal-house-of-justice-infallible-part-ii-206.html/comment-page-3#comment-83572</link>
		<dc:creator>Fubar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/everything-you-need-to-know-about-wall-street-in-one-brief-tale-20120113

Excerpt:
[from blog comments]
Shelley Erickson &#124; January 14, 5:36 PM ET

Professor William Black states the crime is aroung a hundred times worse, than when he helped put over 800 in jail in the 1980&#039;s so I exspect there should have been around eight thousand in jail long ago. These criminal institutions have enbedded judges attoreys and represenatives into the system to undo laws and deregulate the banks so they could steal and get a way with it, I believe most of the local court judges to be corrupt, with a minority that are not. Just my belief and a lot of parties on the web and Pro Se case law supporting my belief.
...

---end excerpts---

Professor William Black:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-k-black/how-the-servant-became-a_b_318010.html
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/everything-you-need-to-know-about-wall-street-in-one-brief-tale-20120113" rel="nofollow">http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/everything-you-need-to-know-about-wall-street-in-one-brief-tale-20120113</a></p>
<p>Excerpt:<br />
[from blog comments]<br />
Shelley Erickson | January 14, 5:36 PM ET</p>
<p>Professor William Black states the crime is aroung a hundred times worse, than when he helped put over 800 in jail in the 1980&#8242;s so I exspect there should have been around eight thousand in jail long ago. These criminal institutions have enbedded judges attoreys and represenatives into the system to undo laws and deregulate the banks so they could steal and get a way with it, I believe most of the local court judges to be corrupt, with a minority that are not. Just my belief and a lot of parties on the web and Pro Se case law supporting my belief.<br />
&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8212;end excerpts&#8212;</p>
<p>Professor William Black:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-k-black/how-the-servant-became-a_b_318010.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-k-black/how-the-servant-became-a_b_318010.html</a><br />
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		<title>By: Fubar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fubar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 15:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case you haen&#039;t already seen it, more interesting background on Wall St. scandals:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/everything-you-need-to-know-about-wall-street-in-one-brief-tale-20120113</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case you haen&#8217;t already seen it, more interesting background on Wall St. scandals:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/everything-you-need-to-know-about-wall-street-in-one-brief-tale-20120113" rel="nofollow">http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/everything-you-need-to-know-about-wall-street-in-one-brief-tale-20120113</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fubar</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/is-the-universal-house-of-justice-infallible-part-ii-206.html/comment-page-3#comment-83569</link>
		<dc:creator>Fubar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately I&#039;ve never seen a specific definition of the 1% from OWS. I generally support OWS (to the extent that its goal are consistent with anarcho-libertarian integralism), and have tried to read up on the movement. If you know of a specific OWS definition for the &quot;1%&quot;, please let me know.

I would suggest the following general categories as a start:

1. Big banks and finance operations, specifically the &quot;0.01 %&quot; identified by the previously mentioned social scientists. Lobbyists/politicians working for the above. This would include &#039;Wall St.&quot;, London, Amsterdam, Dubai, and perhaps Hong Kong or other Chinese banks and finance schemes and other elements of the &quot;electronic herd&quot; of global investors.

2. Top levels of corporate elements of the military-industrial-complex and related national security apparatus. Lobbyists/politicians working for the above.

3. Big oil (e.g. Koch Bros). Lobbyists/politicians working for the above.

Google is of course owned by some &quot;1%&quot; types (as are the computer companies that made your PC and mine), but anyways, here is what appars to to be the first relevant &quot;page one&quot; entry on google:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/10/brad-pitt-talks-occupy-wall-street-moneyball_n_1086423.html

hmmm. not so useful.

Somewhat better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street#We_are_the_99.25

&quot;In 2007 the richest 1% of the American population owned 34.6% of the country&#039;s total wealth, and the next 19% owned 50.5%. Thus, the top 20% of Americans owned 85% of the country&#039;s wealth and the bottom 80% of the population owned 15%. &quot;

So, in reality, the top 1% are the biggest problem (35% of wealth), but there is another 19% that contribute significantly to the problem (and additional 15% of wealth).

Averaging it out, the extermination of corrupt/ultra-wealthy and their supporters that you have suggested would probably have to reach at least a 10% level, or several 10s of millions of people. This would present signifcant logistical problems, including negative environmental impacts (disposal of millions of bodies) and disruption of businesses providing goods/services to the mass of consumers.

---

It also might be worth mentioning that in Spain, the &quot;Indignados&quot; protest movement that OWs took some of its inspiration from took place at the same time that what was commonly seen as a failed socialist (Zapatero) coalition that had been in power for several years through the economic downturn was recently voted out in favor of the right wing pro-globalist/corporatist PP (Partido Popular &quot;Popular Party&quot;).

And, it does not look like the Arab Spring is going to result in a flourishing &quot;liberal&quot; political culture in places like Eqypt.

In the USA, the main feature of the original failure of the opposition to the uber-concentration of wealth was the manner in which the Left, and its Labor allies, became discredited in the 70s, *initially* most noticeably during the Carter administration (not Reagan).

With no legitimate, significant opposition at that time, the &quot;vast right wing&quot; conspiracy was able to put in position an array of initiatives to effect the concentration of wealth and, via the establishment of various right wing and pro-corporatist think thanks, public opinion was manipulated in such a way as to make it seem that the program of the corporatists/plutocrats was &quot;patriotic&quot;, rather than destructive of democracy and the US Constitution.

A &quot;globalized&quot; world economy combined with the toxic economic scheme hatched during the Carter/Reagan years was the deadly combo resulting in the rapid slide toward Plutocracy.

Police forces in large urban areas in the USA have a long history of excelling at brutally suppressing anti-establishment protest movements.

http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/president-obama-signs-indefinite-detention-law</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately I&#8217;ve never seen a specific definition of the 1% from OWS. I generally support OWS (to the extent that its goal are consistent with anarcho-libertarian integralism), and have tried to read up on the movement. If you know of a specific OWS definition for the &#8220;1%&#8221;, please let me know.</p>
<p>I would suggest the following general categories as a start:</p>
<p>1. Big banks and finance operations, specifically the &#8220;0.01 %&#8221; identified by the previously mentioned social scientists. Lobbyists/politicians working for the above. This would include &#8216;Wall St.&#8221;, London, Amsterdam, Dubai, and perhaps Hong Kong or other Chinese banks and finance schemes and other elements of the &#8220;electronic herd&#8221; of global investors.</p>
<p>2. Top levels of corporate elements of the military-industrial-complex and related national security apparatus. Lobbyists/politicians working for the above.</p>
<p>3. Big oil (e.g. Koch Bros). Lobbyists/politicians working for the above.</p>
<p>Google is of course owned by some &#8220;1%&#8221; types (as are the computer companies that made your PC and mine), but anyways, here is what appars to to be the first relevant &#8220;page one&#8221; entry on google:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/10/brad-pitt-talks-occupy-wall-street-moneyball_n_1086423.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/10/brad-pitt-talks-occupy-wall-street-moneyball_n_1086423.html</a></p>
<p>hmmm. not so useful.</p>
<p>Somewhat better: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street#We_are_the_99.25" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street#We_are_the_99.25</a></p>
<p>&#8220;In 2007 the richest 1% of the American population owned 34.6% of the country&#8217;s total wealth, and the next 19% owned 50.5%. Thus, the top 20% of Americans owned 85% of the country&#8217;s wealth and the bottom 80% of the population owned 15%. &#8221;</p>
<p>So, in reality, the top 1% are the biggest problem (35% of wealth), but there is another 19% that contribute significantly to the problem (and additional 15% of wealth).</p>
<p>Averaging it out, the extermination of corrupt/ultra-wealthy and their supporters that you have suggested would probably have to reach at least a 10% level, or several 10s of millions of people. This would present signifcant logistical problems, including negative environmental impacts (disposal of millions of bodies) and disruption of businesses providing goods/services to the mass of consumers.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>It also might be worth mentioning that in Spain, the &#8220;Indignados&#8221; protest movement that OWs took some of its inspiration from took place at the same time that what was commonly seen as a failed socialist (Zapatero) coalition that had been in power for several years through the economic downturn was recently voted out in favor of the right wing pro-globalist/corporatist PP (Partido Popular &#8220;Popular Party&#8221;).</p>
<p>And, it does not look like the Arab Spring is going to result in a flourishing &#8220;liberal&#8221; political culture in places like Eqypt.</p>
<p>In the USA, the main feature of the original failure of the opposition to the uber-concentration of wealth was the manner in which the Left, and its Labor allies, became discredited in the 70s, *initially* most noticeably during the Carter administration (not Reagan).</p>
<p>With no legitimate, significant opposition at that time, the &#8220;vast right wing&#8221; conspiracy was able to put in position an array of initiatives to effect the concentration of wealth and, via the establishment of various right wing and pro-corporatist think thanks, public opinion was manipulated in such a way as to make it seem that the program of the corporatists/plutocrats was &#8220;patriotic&#8221;, rather than destructive of democracy and the US Constitution.</p>
<p>A &#8221;globalized&#8221; world economy combined with the toxic economic scheme hatched during the Carter/Reagan years was the deadly combo resulting in the rapid slide toward Plutocracy.</p>
<p>Police forces in large urban areas in the USA have a long history of excelling at brutally suppressing anti-establishment protest movements.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/president-obama-signs-indefinite-detention-law" rel="nofollow">http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/president-obama-signs-indefinite-detention-law</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fubar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fubar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately I&#039;ve never seen a specific definition of the 1% from OWS. I generally support OWS (to the extent that its goal are consistent with anarcho-libertarian integralism), and have tried to read up on the movement. If you know of a specific OWS definition for the &quot;1%&quot;, please let me know.

I would suggest the following general categories as a start:

1. Big banks and finance operations, specifically the &quot;0.01 %&quot; identified by the previously mentioned social scientists. Lobbyists/politicians working for the above. This would include &#039;Wall St.&quot;, London, Amsterdam, Dubai, and perhaps Hong Kong or other Chinese banks and finance schemes and other elements of the &quot;electronic herd&quot; of global investors.

2. Top levels of corporate elements of the military-industrial-complex and related national security apparatus. Lobbyists/politicians working for the above.

3. Big oil (e.g. Koch Bros). Lobbyists/politicians working for the above.

Google is of course owned by some &quot;1%&quot; types (as are the computer companies that made your PC and mine), but anyways, here is what appars to to be the first relevant &quot;page one&quot; entry on google:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/10/brad-pitt-talks-occupy-wall-street-moneyball_n_1086423.html

hmmm. not so useful.

Somewhat better: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street#We_are_the_99.25

&quot;In 2007 the richest 1% of the American population owned 34.6% of the country&#039;s total wealth, and the next 19% owned 50.5%. Thus, the top 20% of Americans owned 85% of the country&#039;s wealth and the bottom 80% of the population owned 15%. &quot;

So, in reality, the top 1% are the biggest problem (35% of wealth), but there is another 19% that contribute significantly to the problem (and additional 15% of wealth).

Averaging it out, the extermination of corrupt/ultra-wealthy and their supporters that you have suggested would probably have to reach at least a 10% level, or several 10s of millions of people. This would present signifcant logistical problems, including negative environmental impacts (disposal of millions of bodies) and disruption of businesses providing goods/services to the mass of consumers.

---

It also might be worth mentioning that in Spain, the &quot;Indignados&quot; protest movement that OWs took some of its inspiration from took place at the same time that what was commonly seen as a failed socialist (Zapatero) coalition that had been in power for several years through the economic downturn was recently voted out in favor of the right wing pro-globalist/corporatist PP (Partido Popular &quot;Popular Party&quot;).

And, it does not look like the Arab Spring is going to result in a flourishing &quot;liberal&quot; political culture in places like Eqypt.

In the USA, the main feature of the original failure of the opposition to the uber-concentration of wealth was the manner in which the Left, and its Labor allies, became discredited in the 70s, *initially* most noticeably during the Carter administration (not Reagan).

With no legitimate, significant opposition at that time, the &quot;vast right wing&quot; conspiracy was able to put in position an array of initiatives to effect the concentration of wealth and, via the establishment of various right wing and pro-corporatist think thanks, public opinion was manipulated in such a way as to make it seem that the program of the corporatists/plutocrats was &quot;patriotic&quot;, rather than destructive of democracy and the US Constitution.

A &quot;globalized&quot; world economy combined with the toxic economic scheme hatched during the Carter/Reagan years was the deadly combo resulting in the rapid slide toward Plutocracy.

Police forces in large urban areas in the USA have a long history of excelling at brutally suppressing anti-establishment protest movements.

http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/president-obama-signs-indefinite-detention-law</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately I&#8217;ve never seen a specific definition of the 1% from OWS. I generally support OWS (to the extent that its goal are consistent with anarcho-libertarian integralism), and have tried to read up on the movement. If you know of a specific OWS definition for the &#8220;1%&#8221;, please let me know.</p>
<p>I would suggest the following general categories as a start:</p>
<p>1. Big banks and finance operations, specifically the &#8220;0.01 %&#8221; identified by the previously mentioned social scientists. Lobbyists/politicians working for the above. This would include &#8216;Wall St.&#8221;, London, Amsterdam, Dubai, and perhaps Hong Kong or other Chinese banks and finance schemes and other elements of the &#8220;electronic herd&#8221; of global investors.</p>
<p>2. Top levels of corporate elements of the military-industrial-complex and related national security apparatus. Lobbyists/politicians working for the above.</p>
<p>3. Big oil (e.g. Koch Bros). Lobbyists/politicians working for the above.</p>
<p>Google is of course owned by some &#8220;1%&#8221; types (as are the computer companies that made your PC and mine), but anyways, here is what appars to to be the first relevant &#8220;page one&#8221; entry on google:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/10/brad-pitt-talks-occupy-wall-street-moneyball_n_1086423.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/10/brad-pitt-talks-occupy-wall-street-moneyball_n_1086423.html</a></p>
<p>hmmm. not so useful.</p>
<p>Somewhat better: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street#We_are_the_99.25" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_Wall_Street#We_are_the_99.25</a></p>
<p>&#8220;In 2007 the richest 1% of the American population owned 34.6% of the country&#8217;s total wealth, and the next 19% owned 50.5%. Thus, the top 20% of Americans owned 85% of the country&#8217;s wealth and the bottom 80% of the population owned 15%. &#8221;</p>
<p>So, in reality, the top 1% are the biggest problem (35% of wealth), but there is another 19% that contribute significantly to the problem (and additional 15% of wealth).</p>
<p>Averaging it out, the extermination of corrupt/ultra-wealthy and their supporters that you have suggested would probably have to reach at least a 10% level, or several 10s of millions of people. This would present signifcant logistical problems, including negative environmental impacts (disposal of millions of bodies) and disruption of businesses providing goods/services to the mass of consumers.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>It also might be worth mentioning that in Spain, the &#8220;Indignados&#8221; protest movement that OWs took some of its inspiration from took place at the same time that what was commonly seen as a failed socialist (Zapatero) coalition that had been in power for several years through the economic downturn was recently voted out in favor of the right wing pro-globalist/corporatist PP (Partido Popular &#8220;Popular Party&#8221;).</p>
<p>And, it does not look like the Arab Spring is going to result in a flourishing &#8220;liberal&#8221; political culture in places like Eqypt.</p>
<p>In the USA, the main feature of the original failure of the opposition to the uber-concentration of wealth was the manner in which the Left, and its Labor allies, became discredited in the 70s, *initially* most noticeably during the Carter administration (not Reagan).</p>
<p>With no legitimate, significant opposition at that time, the &#8220;vast right wing&#8221; conspiracy was able to put in position an array of initiatives to effect the concentration of wealth and, via the establishment of various right wing and pro-corporatist think thanks, public opinion was manipulated in such a way as to make it seem that the program of the corporatists/plutocrats was &#8220;patriotic&#8221;, rather than destructive of democracy and the US Constitution.</p>
<p>A &#8221;globalized&#8221; world economy combined with the toxic economic scheme hatched during the Carter/Reagan years was the deadly combo resulting in the rapid slide toward Plutocracy.</p>
<p>Police forces in large urban areas in the USA have a long history of excelling at brutally suppressing anti-establishment protest movements.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/president-obama-signs-indefinite-detention-law" rel="nofollow">http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/president-obama-signs-indefinite-detention-law</a></p>
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		<title>By: Fubar</title>
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		<description>Hey Nima, great hearing from you as always. 
As far as I can tell, human beings have been capable of mass exterminations, imperial schemes, enslavement, and so forth since ancient times, regardless of nationality, ethnicity, religion, etc.

It is unfortunate that the latest version is enhanced by the economic and technical superiority of the West.

Anyways, I was just wondering about the practical problems of how to  exterminate what could be millions of people, and if you have any suggestions about how it would be done, and the effects on culture. For instance, when the Left exterminated even small numbers (perhaps a few 1,000s) of ultra-rich in Spain during the Civil War (1930s), the result was 50+ years of reactionary right-wing dictatorship (supported by most of the people in the &quot;majority&quot;). My guess is that the US National Security Apparatus and various Police Powers would easily defeat any such attempted attacks (based on previous worker/protest uprising in the USA). Any such  reactionary response would mean that the USA had taken the final step to fascism/totalitarianism, but it is a much smaller step now than in the past.

Thomas Drake: bogus espionage charges used in attempt to cover up corruption in the military-industrial-complex:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20122207-503544.html

&quot;Ellsberg: All the crimes Nixon committed against me are now legal&quot;

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/06/09/ellsberg-all-the-crimes-nixon-committed-against-me-are-now-legal/

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Nima, great hearing from you as always. <br />
As far as I can tell, human beings have been capable of mass exterminations, imperial schemes, enslavement, and so forth since ancient times, regardless of nationality, ethnicity, religion, etc.</p>
<p>It is unfortunate that the latest version is enhanced by the economic and technical superiority of the West.</p>
<p>Anyways, I was just wondering about the practical problems of how to  exterminate what could be millions of people, and if you have any suggestions about how it would be done, and the effects on culture. For instance, when the Left exterminated even small numbers (perhaps a few 1,000s) of ultra-rich in Spain during the Civil War (1930s), the result was 50+ years of reactionary right-wing dictatorship (supported by most of the people in the &#8220;majority&#8221;). My guess is that the US National Security Apparatus and various Police Powers would easily defeat any such attempted attacks (based on previous worker/protest uprising in the USA). Any such  reactionary response would mean that the USA had taken the final step to fascism/totalitarianism, but it is a much smaller step now than in the past.</p>
<p>Thomas Drake: bogus espionage charges used in attempt to cover up corruption in the military-industrial-complex:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20122207-503544.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20122207-503544.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Ellsberg: All the crimes Nixon committed against me are now legal&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/06/09/ellsberg-all-the-crimes-nixon-committed-against-me-are-now-legal/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/06/09/ellsberg-all-the-crimes-nixon-committed-against-me-are-now-legal/</a></p>
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		<title>By: wahidazal66</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 06:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting when Anglo-Europeans march their war-machines and exterminate millions of innocent people in assorted parts of the world we are later led to believe such actions to be &quot;humanitarian interventions&quot; and other such Newspeak nonsense. But when the shoe is turned on the other foot, and calls are made for the collective lynching of the plutocracy, certain people begin citing ridiculous statistics and making moronic arguments. The plutocracy and corporatocratic criminals in the West are no less (actually more so) criminals than the assorted Taliban and al-CIA-duh leaders Anglo-American establishments love to kill. Absolutely, these criminals should be lynched en masse and those who have aided and abetted them in any way should likewise be brought to book en masse to face the music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting when Anglo-Europeans march their war-machines and exterminate millions of innocent people in assorted parts of the world we are later led to believe such actions to be &#8220;humanitarian interventions&#8221; and other such Newspeak nonsense. But when the shoe is turned on the other foot, and calls are made for the collective lynching of the plutocracy, certain people begin citing ridiculous statistics and making moronic arguments. The plutocracy and corporatocratic criminals in the West are no less (actually more so) criminals than the assorted Taliban and al-CIA-duh leaders Anglo-American establishments love to kill. Absolutely, these criminals should be lynched en masse and those who have aided and abetted them in any way should likewise be brought to book en masse to face the music.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 01:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 1% as defined by OWS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 1% as defined by OWS.</p>
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