Comments on: It Is God’s Will That You Be Tested http://bahairants.com/it-is-gods-will-that-you-be-tested-385.html A Baha'i blog. Mon, 21 May 2012 23:32:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Desir0101 http://bahairants.com/it-is-gods-will-that-you-be-tested-385.html/comment-page-1#comment-82551 Desir0101 Sun, 13 Feb 2011 15:09:00 +0000 http://bahairants.com/it-is-gods-will-that-you-be-tested-385.html#comment-82551 Hello, You are right. Why then should pray for the Bahais persecution in Iran. If it's God's will. In the Bahai literature I read that the faith will boost up through successive persecution of the believers. I learned that the Bahai community around the world was dismayed with these sorrowful news. Or you should be happy God has an special eyes on you. Have chosen you among the people of the earth. Why go against God's will through prayer meetings to stop it. But I deeply sympathize with the Bahais under persecution. I believe it's action and reaction as it do exist in matters.Newton's laws of motion. Shoghi Efendi may be right to say that 9 tenths of our problems come from ours and one tenths from God. I wouldlike to set a question to who consider as truly Bahai. Is it not your ardent wish to give your life to Bahaullah one day. Hello,
You are right.
Why then should pray for the Bahais persecution in Iran.
If it’s God’s will. In the Bahai literature I read that the faith will boost up through successive persecution of the believers. I learned that the Bahai community around the world was dismayed with these sorrowful news.
Or you should be happy God has an special eyes on you.
Have chosen you among the people of the earth.

Why go against God’s will through prayer meetings to stop it.

But I deeply sympathize with the Bahais under persecution.

I believe it’s action and reaction as it do exist in matters.Newton’s laws of motion.
Shoghi Efendi may be right to say that 9 tenths of our problems come from ours and one tenths from God.
I wouldlike to set a question to who consider as truly Bahai.
Is it not your ardent wish to give your life to Bahaullah one day.

]]> By: P http://bahairants.com/it-is-gods-will-that-you-be-tested-385.html/comment-page-1#comment-55227 P Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:03:11 +0000 http://bahairants.com/it-is-gods-will-that-you-be-tested-385.html#comment-55227 To all the Americans here: Wow! Wasn’t Thursday night something! -------------- If you think Thursday night was someting, wait 'til Nov.4th! Yes we can!!! :o) To all the Americans here: Wow! Wasn’t Thursday night something!
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If you think Thursday night was someting, wait ’til Nov.4th! Yes we can!!! :o )

]]> By: P http://bahairants.com/it-is-gods-will-that-you-be-tested-385.html/comment-page-1#comment-77581 P Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:03:00 +0000 http://bahairants.com/it-is-gods-will-that-you-be-tested-385.html#comment-77581 To all the Americans here: Wow! Wasn’t Thursday night something! -------------- If you think Thursday night was someting, wait 'til Nov.4th! Yes we can!!! :o) To all the Americans here: Wow! Wasn’t Thursday night something!
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If you think Thursday night was someting, wait ’til Nov.4th! Yes we can!!! :o )

]]> By: Craig Parke http://bahairants.com/it-is-gods-will-that-you-be-tested-385.html/comment-page-1#comment-55198 Craig Parke Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:22:36 +0000 http://bahairants.com/it-is-gods-will-that-you-be-tested-385.html#comment-55198 [quote comment=""]In the mid 1970's when the Hand of the Cause of God Mr Faizi came to San Francisco for several days, he said that the Baha'i Writings had identified three mysteries -- three things that would never be understood by human beings in this world. One was the suffering of innocents (Abdu'l-Baha comments on this in Some Answered Questions). At the moment I don't remember the second one. The third was, that we can never know the degree to which our actions are our own will, or God's will.[/quote] Brent, I read many of Mr. A.Q. Faizi's talks and listened to tapes of them also. He was a good man. But what Hand of the Cause of God Mr. Faizi had to say about anything means absolutely nothing more than what anyone else says or thinks both back then, now, and in the future. Zero. Nada. Zippo. Zilch, To think otherwise is pure 100% pure idolatry and is completely agaoinst the Archetypal Teachings of Moses, Jesus, Mohammad, the Bab, and Baha'u'llah. It will not fly in this World Age. Secondly, according to the current version of the Administrative Order of the Baha'i Faith (specifically the Sacred Holy Word of His Holiness Peter Khan) anyone who questions anything that comes down from the UHJ is a "corrosive influence". Conseqyently, there are people who post on this site who could be declared "CI"'s at any time by first class postage (not by Certified or even Registered mail!). I would be very careful posting here lest a file be opened on you in Haifa. To all the Americans here: Wow! Wasn't Thursday night something! I knew many American Baha'is in the 1960's and 1970's who had marched with MLK before they became Baha'is. I am so happy that many have lived to see this day. To all the black U.S. veterans here, I am so glad you have lived to see this day. Best regards to all! [quote comment=""]In the mid 1970′s when the Hand of the Cause of God Mr Faizi came to San Francisco for several days, he said that the Baha’i Writings had identified three mysteries — three things that would never be understood by human beings in this world. One was the suffering of innocents (Abdu’l-Baha comments on this in Some Answered Questions). At the moment I don’t remember the second one. The third was, that we can never know the degree to which our actions are our own will, or God’s will.[/quote]

Brent,

I read many of Mr. A.Q. Faizi’s talks and listened to tapes of them also. He was a good man. But what Hand of the Cause of God Mr. Faizi had to say about anything means absolutely nothing more than what anyone else says or thinks both back then, now, and in the future. Zero. Nada. Zippo. Zilch, To think otherwise is pure 100% pure idolatry and is completely agaoinst the Archetypal Teachings of Moses, Jesus, Mohammad, the Bab, and Baha’u'llah. It will not fly in this World Age.

Secondly, according to the current version of the Administrative Order of the Baha’i Faith (specifically the Sacred Holy Word of His Holiness Peter Khan) anyone who questions anything that comes down from the UHJ is a “corrosive influence”. Conseqyently, there are people who post on this site who could be declared “CI”‘s at any time by first class postage (not by Certified or even Registered mail!). I would be very careful posting here lest a file be opened on you in Haifa.

To all the Americans here: Wow! Wasn’t Thursday night something!

I knew many American Baha’is in the 1960′s and 1970′s who had marched with MLK before they became Baha’is. I am so happy that many have lived to see this day. To all the black U.S. veterans here, I am so glad you have lived to see this day.

Best regards to all!

]]> By: Craig Parke http://bahairants.com/it-is-gods-will-that-you-be-tested-385.html/comment-page-1#comment-77580 Craig Parke Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:22:00 +0000 http://bahairants.com/it-is-gods-will-that-you-be-tested-385.html#comment-77580 [quote comment=""]In the mid 1970's when the Hand of the Cause of God Mr Faizi came to San Francisco for several days, he said that the Baha'i Writings had identified three mysteries -- three things that would never be understood by human beings in this world. One was the suffering of innocents (Abdu'l-Baha comments on this in Some Answered Questions). At the moment I don't remember the second one. The third was, that we can never know the degree to which our actions are our own will, or God's will.[/quote] Brent, I read many of Mr. A.Q. Faizi's talks and listened to tapes of them also. He was a good man. But what Hand of the Cause of God Mr. Faizi had to say about anything means absolutely nothing more than what anyone else says or thinks both back then, now, and in the future. Zero. Nada. Zippo. Zilch, To think otherwise is pure 100% pure idolatry and is completely agaoinst the Archetypal Teachings of Moses, Jesus, Mohammad, the Bab, and Baha'u'llah. It will not fly in this World Age. Secondly, according to the current version of the Administrative Order of the Baha'i Faith (specifically the Sacred Holy Word of His Holiness Peter Khan) anyone who questions anything that comes down from the UHJ is a "corrosive influence". Conseqyently, there are people who post on this site who could be declared "CI"'s at any time by first class postage (not by Certified or even Registered mail!). I would be very careful posting here lest a file be opened on you in Haifa. To all the Americans here: Wow! Wasn't Thursday night something! I knew many American Baha'is in the 1960's and 1970's who had marched with MLK before they became Baha'is. I am so happy that many have lived to see this day. To all the black U.S. veterans here, I am so glad you have lived to see this day. Best regards to all! [quote comment=""]In the mid 1970′s when the Hand of the Cause of God Mr Faizi came to San Francisco for several days, he said that the Baha’i Writings had identified three mysteries — three things that would never be understood by human beings in this world. One was the suffering of innocents (Abdu’l-Baha comments on this in Some Answered Questions). At the moment I don’t remember the second one. The third was, that we can never know the degree to which our actions are our own will, or God’s will.[/quote]

Brent,

I read many of Mr. A.Q. Faizi’s talks and listened to tapes of them also. He was a good man. But what Hand of the Cause of God Mr. Faizi had to say about anything means absolutely nothing more than what anyone else says or thinks both back then, now, and in the future. Zero. Nada. Zippo. Zilch, To think otherwise is pure 100% pure idolatry and is completely agaoinst the Archetypal Teachings of Moses, Jesus, Mohammad, the Bab, and Baha’u'llah. It will not fly in this World Age.

Secondly, according to the current version of the Administrative Order of the Baha’i Faith (specifically the Sacred Holy Word of His Holiness Peter Khan) anyone who questions anything that comes down from the UHJ is a “corrosive influence”. Conseqyently, there are people who post on this site who could be declared “CI”‘s at any time by first class postage (not by Certified or even Registered mail!). I would be very careful posting here lest a file be opened on you in Haifa.

To all the Americans here: Wow! Wasn’t Thursday night something!

I knew many American Baha’is in the 1960′s and 1970′s who had marched with MLK before they became Baha’is. I am so happy that many have lived to see this day. To all the black U.S. veterans here, I am so glad you have lived to see this day.

Best regards to all!

]]> By: Andrew http://bahairants.com/it-is-gods-will-that-you-be-tested-385.html/comment-page-1#comment-37857 Andrew Tue, 27 Nov 2007 03:55:48 +0000 http://bahairants.com/it-is-gods-will-that-you-be-tested-385.html#comment-37857 A good spiritual life is not dependent on others although it can be nurtured and supported by a positive community life. Religion becomes dysfunctional when is governance structure becomes autocratic and dictatorial. When the governance structure allows for the participation of all members, it tends to be more healthy and constructive. As young children who have found their own voice say, "You're not the boss of me!", a good spiritual life also recognizes that no cleric can be the boss of me without my consent and willingness to give up my exercising of my own will by submitting in obedience to the will of another. When parents say to a questioning teenager, "Do it because I say so!" it is like a cleric requiring blind allegiance from a disciple or follower. There is a fine line between cult like submission, and reverent obedience. The UUs governance structure is open, transparent, and democratic. For people who have been raised in other faith traditions it doesn't seem very "religious". If people turn to religion looking for answers from someone, or a group, who claims to speak for a higher power, they will be sorely disappointed with the Unitarian Universalists. UU is a faith for mature minds and hearts ready to take on the tough challenge and responsibility of trying to figure out with love, compassion, tolerance, and patience, the best way to live life. --David Markham A good spiritual life is not dependent on others although it can be nurtured and supported by a positive community life. Religion becomes dysfunctional when is governance structure becomes autocratic and dictatorial. When the governance structure allows for the participation of all members, it tends to be more healthy and constructive. As young children who have found their own voice say, “You’re not the boss of me!”, a good spiritual life also recognizes that no cleric can be the boss of me without my consent and willingness to give up my exercising of my own will by submitting in obedience to the will of another.

When parents say to a questioning teenager, “Do it because I say so!” it is like a cleric requiring blind allegiance from a disciple or follower. There is a fine line between cult like submission, and reverent obedience.

The UUs governance structure is open, transparent, and democratic. For people who have been raised in other faith traditions it doesn’t seem very “religious”. If people turn to religion looking for answers from someone, or a group, who claims to speak for a higher power, they will be sorely disappointed with the Unitarian Universalists. UU is a faith for mature minds and hearts ready to take on the tough challenge and responsibility of trying to figure out with love, compassion, tolerance, and patience, the best way to live life.

–David Markham

]]> By: Andrew http://bahairants.com/it-is-gods-will-that-you-be-tested-385.html/comment-page-1#comment-77579 Andrew Tue, 27 Nov 2007 03:55:00 +0000 http://bahairants.com/it-is-gods-will-that-you-be-tested-385.html#comment-77579 A good spiritual life is not dependent on others although it can be nurtured and supported by a positive community life. Religion becomes dysfunctional when is governance structure becomes autocratic and dictatorial. When the governance structure allows for the participation of all members, it tends to be more healthy and constructive. As young children who have found their own voice say, "You're not the boss of me!", a good spiritual life also recognizes that no cleric can be the boss of me without my consent and willingness to give up my exercising of my own will by submitting in obedience to the will of another. When parents say to a questioning teenager, "Do it because I say so!" it is like a cleric requiring blind allegiance from a disciple or follower. There is a fine line between cult like submission, and reverent obedience. The UUs governance structure is open, transparent, and democratic. For people who have been raised in other faith traditions it doesn't seem very "religious". If people turn to religion looking for answers from someone, or a group, who claims to speak for a higher power, they will be sorely disappointed with the Unitarian Universalists. UU is a faith for mature minds and hearts ready to take on the tough challenge and responsibility of trying to figure out with love, compassion, tolerance, and patience, the best way to live life. --David Markham A good spiritual life is not dependent on others although it can be nurtured and supported by a positive community life. Religion becomes dysfunctional when is governance structure becomes autocratic and dictatorial. When the governance structure allows for the participation of all members, it tends to be more healthy and constructive. As young children who have found their own voice say, “You’re not the boss of me!”, a good spiritual life also recognizes that no cleric can be the boss of me without my consent and willingness to give up my exercising of my own will by submitting in obedience to the will of another.

When parents say to a questioning teenager, “Do it because I say so!” it is like a cleric requiring blind allegiance from a disciple or follower. There is a fine line between cult like submission, and reverent obedience.

The UUs governance structure is open, transparent, and democratic. For people who have been raised in other faith traditions it doesn’t seem very “religious”. If people turn to religion looking for answers from someone, or a group, who claims to speak for a higher power, they will be sorely disappointed with the Unitarian Universalists. UU is a faith for mature minds and hearts ready to take on the tough challenge and responsibility of trying to figure out with love, compassion, tolerance, and patience, the best way to live life.

–David Markham

]]> By: Robert Clifton http://bahairants.com/it-is-gods-will-that-you-be-tested-385.html/comment-page-1#comment-37839 Robert Clifton Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:46:56 +0000 http://bahairants.com/it-is-gods-will-that-you-be-tested-385.html#comment-37839 A Christian tv program says :"Of course God loves you and you can count on that love no matter what you do." Pretty hefty because that includes covenant breakers, thieves, and any other category you don't especially care for, et al. But then what part of Gods creation does He not love? He loves you, me and the rest of the 6 billion. For me "God's Will" is that this material universe will operate according to a set of rules laid down by God. What goes up comes down - unless you jump out of a gravitational pull. Thou shalt not kill - unless you want a drink of water. You will - unless. We (all six billion of us) are the children of God and we operate within the narrow parameters of being a human being. Our free will obtained when we ate the apple does not allow us to will ourself to be an elephant. Whether we want or not we operate within the rules. We choose our tests. Late for work, being nasty to others, sexual activity, not praying. None of those choices alters the universe universally. They do in the cause and effect scheme of things (hard determinism) make some of us more comfortable or less comfortable with those around us. We learn from our 'mistakes', our choices, our sins and we move on to ever higher understandings. We are children of God, not Adults of God, we are learning. I liked the prototypes statement above. Learn vicariously from Job, Abraham, Baha'u'llah. Nailed to a cross, chained in a dungeon? Don't do this at home. If you have been chosing very difficult tests, choose easier ones, or as stated above take it as an up. My mamma used to read to me, then I read to her. In grade school I read Bambi, in middle school I read White Fang, in high school I read Shakespeare, well - you get the idea. Take your test and pick up the next book. And above all, enjoy! It is the will of God. Robert A Christian tv program says :”Of course God loves you and you can count on that love no matter what you do.” Pretty hefty because that includes covenant breakers, thieves, and any other category you don’t especially care for, et al.
But then what part of Gods creation does He not love? He loves you, me and the rest of the 6 billion.
For me “God’s Will” is that this material universe will operate according to a set of rules laid down by God. What goes up comes down – unless you jump out of a gravitational pull. Thou shalt not kill – unless you want a drink of water. You will – unless.
We (all six billion of us) are the children of God and we operate within the narrow parameters of being a human being. Our free will obtained when we ate the apple does not allow us to will ourself to be an elephant. Whether we want or not we operate within the rules.
We choose our tests. Late for work, being nasty to others, sexual activity, not praying. None of those choices alters the universe universally. They do in the cause and effect scheme of things (hard determinism) make some of us more comfortable or less comfortable with those around us. We learn from our ‘mistakes’, our choices, our sins and we move on to ever higher understandings.
We are children of God, not Adults of God, we are learning. I liked the prototypes statement above. Learn vicariously from Job, Abraham, Baha’u'llah. Nailed to a cross, chained in a dungeon? Don’t do this at home.
If you have been chosing very difficult tests, choose easier ones, or as stated above take it as an up.
My mamma used to read to me, then I read to her. In grade school I read Bambi, in middle school I read White Fang, in high school I read Shakespeare, well – you get the idea. Take your test and pick up the next book.
And above all, enjoy!
It is the will of God.

Robert

]]> By: Robert Clifton http://bahairants.com/it-is-gods-will-that-you-be-tested-385.html/comment-page-1#comment-77578 Robert Clifton Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:46:00 +0000 http://bahairants.com/it-is-gods-will-that-you-be-tested-385.html#comment-77578 A Christian tv program says :"Of course God loves you and you can count on that love no matter what you do." Pretty hefty because that includes covenant breakers, thieves, and any other category you don't especially care for, et al. But then what part of Gods creation does He not love? He loves you, me and the rest of the 6 billion. For me "God's Will" is that this material universe will operate according to a set of rules laid down by God. What goes up comes down - unless you jump out of a gravitational pull. Thou shalt not kill - unless you want a drink of water. You will - unless. We (all six billion of us) are the children of God and we operate within the narrow parameters of being a human being. Our free will obtained when we ate the apple does not allow us to will ourself to be an elephant. Whether we want or not we operate within the rules. We choose our tests. Late for work, being nasty to others, sexual activity, not praying. None of those choices alters the universe universally. They do in the cause and effect scheme of things (hard determinism) make some of us more comfortable or less comfortable with those around us. We learn from our 'mistakes', our choices, our sins and we move on to ever higher understandings. We are children of God, not Adults of God, we are learning. I liked the prototypes statement above. Learn vicariously from Job, Abraham, Baha'u'llah. Nailed to a cross, chained in a dungeon? Don't do this at home. If you have been chosing very difficult tests, choose easier ones, or as stated above take it as an up. My mamma used to read to me, then I read to her. In grade school I read Bambi, in middle school I read White Fang, in high school I read Shakespeare, well - you get the idea. Take your test and pick up the next book. And above all, enjoy! It is the will of God. Robert A Christian tv program says :”Of course God loves you and you can count on that love no matter what you do.” Pretty hefty because that includes covenant breakers, thieves, and any other category you don’t especially care for, et al.
But then what part of Gods creation does He not love? He loves you, me and the rest of the 6 billion.
For me “God’s Will” is that this material universe will operate according to a set of rules laid down by God. What goes up comes down – unless you jump out of a gravitational pull. Thou shalt not kill – unless you want a drink of water. You will – unless.
We (all six billion of us) are the children of God and we operate within the narrow parameters of being a human being. Our free will obtained when we ate the apple does not allow us to will ourself to be an elephant. Whether we want or not we operate within the rules.
We choose our tests. Late for work, being nasty to others, sexual activity, not praying. None of those choices alters the universe universally. They do in the cause and effect scheme of things (hard determinism) make some of us more comfortable or less comfortable with those around us. We learn from our ‘mistakes’, our choices, our sins and we move on to ever higher understandings.
We are children of God, not Adults of God, we are learning. I liked the prototypes statement above. Learn vicariously from Job, Abraham, Baha’u'llah. Nailed to a cross, chained in a dungeon? Don’t do this at home.
If you have been chosing very difficult tests, choose easier ones, or as stated above take it as an up.
My mamma used to read to me, then I read to her. In grade school I read Bambi, in middle school I read White Fang, in high school I read Shakespeare, well – you get the idea. Take your test and pick up the next book.
And above all, enjoy!
It is the will of God.

Robert

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