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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 21:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ash Ra,
thank you for your question.

Earlier in the article I explained that Baha&#039;u&#039;llah Himself (not Abdul-Baha as you write above) designated His house in Baghdad and that of the Bab in Shiraz in the Aqdas.

Later Abdul-Baha, in a Tablet to an individual, mentions in passing the &#039;Most Holy Shrine&#039; which is a reference to Bahji, the resting place of Baha&#039;u&#039;llah. We know almost nothing about this Tablet but not for want of trying.

This is something that has been asked of the BWC/Research Department multiple times and they have not provided clarification by presenting the original tablet, its original language, any context or historical date related to it. Therefore it is nearly impossible to delve into this topic any more without their cooperation and assistance.

The Research Department acts as a gatekeeper in such matters and no amount of prodding will make them budge when they don&#039;t want to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ash Ra,<br />
thank you for your question.</p>
<p>Earlier in the article I explained that Baha&#8217;u'llah Himself (not Abdul-Baha as you write above) designated His house in Baghdad and that of the Bab in Shiraz in the Aqdas.</p>
<p>Later Abdul-Baha, in a Tablet to an individual, mentions in passing the &#8216;Most Holy Shrine&#8217; which is a reference to Bahji, the resting place of Baha&#8217;u'llah. We know almost nothing about this Tablet but not for want of trying.</p>
<p>This is something that has been asked of the BWC/Research Department multiple times and they have not provided clarification by presenting the original tablet, its original language, any context or historical date related to it. Therefore it is nearly impossible to delve into this topic any more without their cooperation and assistance.</p>
<p>The Research Department acts as a gatekeeper in such matters and no amount of prodding will make them budge when they don&#8217;t want to.</p>
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		<title>By: Ash Ra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ash Ra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2011 21:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank-you for posting this. I am sincerely grateful for your contributions to discourse and information regarding Baha&#039;i subjects.
Perhaps you can clarify some confusion on my part
In the Kitab-i-aqdas it says: 

&quot;After the passing of Baha’u’llah, Abdu’l-Baha designated the Shrine of Baha’u’llah at Bahji as a place of pilgrimage. In a Tablet, He indicates that the &quot;Most Holy Shrine, the Blessed House in Baghdad and the venerated House of the Bab in Shiraz&quot; are &quot;consecrated to pilgrimage&quot;, and that it is &quot;obligatory&quot; to visit these places &quot;if one can afford it and is able to do so, and if no obstacle stands in one’s way&quot;. No rites have been prescribed for pilgrimage to the Most Holy Shrine.&quot;

But earlier in your article you explain that Abdul-Baha only designated the Shrine of Baha&#039;u&#039;llah at Bahji as a place of visitation. Where is this information originally sourced from as I can&#039;t seem to find it? 
And secondly how is it differentiated in its original context from a place of pilgrimage in Abdul-Baha&#039;s wording as opposed to a place of visitation.  Please forgive me if you&#039;ve already explained, as I experience difficulties reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank-you for posting this. I am sincerely grateful for your contributions to discourse and information regarding Baha&#8217;i subjects.<br />
Perhaps you can clarify some confusion on my part<br />
In the Kitab-i-aqdas it says: </p>
<p>&#8220;After the passing of Baha’u’llah, Abdu’l-Baha designated the Shrine of Baha’u’llah at Bahji as a place of pilgrimage. In a Tablet, He indicates that the &#8220;Most Holy Shrine, the Blessed House in Baghdad and the venerated House of the Bab in Shiraz&#8221; are &#8220;consecrated to pilgrimage&#8221;, and that it is &#8220;obligatory&#8221; to visit these places &#8220;if one can afford it and is able to do so, and if no obstacle stands in one’s way&#8221;. No rites have been prescribed for pilgrimage to the Most Holy Shrine.&#8221;</p>
<p>But earlier in your article you explain that Abdul-Baha only designated the Shrine of Baha&#8217;u'llah at Bahji as a place of visitation. Where is this information originally sourced from as I can&#8217;t seem to find it? <br />
And secondly how is it differentiated in its original context from a place of pilgrimage in Abdul-Baha&#8217;s wording as opposed to a place of visitation.  Please forgive me if you&#8217;ve already explained, as I experience difficulties reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 20:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziyarat

According to Wikipedia, Ziyarat may not even actually be an authentic Muslim practice, but an innovation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziyarat" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziyarat</a></p>
<p>According to Wikipedia, Ziyarat may not even actually be an authentic Muslim practice, but an innovation.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 16:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, I invite you to do your own &quot;investigation of truth&quot; instead of relying on others or my words. 

What a person interprets based on what I write is their own doing. I would thank you to not put words in my mouth however.

The letter I wrote simply asked for clarification on this matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, I invite you to do your own &#8220;investigation of truth&#8221; instead of relying on others or my words. </p>
<p>What a person interprets based on what I write is their own doing. I would thank you to not put words in my mouth however.</p>
<p>The letter I wrote simply asked for clarification on this matter.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Feb 2011 14:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately I haven&#039;t had the time to do the research to find where Abdu&#039;l-Baha designated the Shrine of Baha&#039;u&#039;llah in Bahji a pilgrimage site and with what language he used. And as I haven&#039;t had the benefit of reading Walbridge&#039;s book I can&#039;t comment on his source material and what is said there

I can say that at present the official record is that Abdu&#039;l-Baha designated Baha&#039;u&#039;llah&#039;s final restingplace as a location of pilgrimage. The thing which has &quot;evolved&quot; is the journey to Haifa as a place to &#039;spike your tent&#039;, as it were, and visit all the historic locations visited by Baha&#039;u&#039;llah in his exile to Palestine. 

And anyway, his burial place IS the Qiblih. One might interpret based on Baquias rant that visiting the qiblih is spiritually insignificant.

Also, Baquia, I wonder if you&#039;d be so kind as to share with us the letters you wrote the UHJ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately I haven&#8217;t had the time to do the research to find where Abdu&#8217;l-Baha designated the Shrine of Baha&#8217;u'llah in Bahji a pilgrimage site and with what language he used. And as I haven&#8217;t had the benefit of reading Walbridge&#8217;s book I can&#8217;t comment on his source material and what is said there</p>
<p>I can say that at present the official record is that Abdu&#8217;l-Baha designated Baha&#8217;u'llah&#8217;s final restingplace as a location of pilgrimage. The thing which has &#8220;evolved&#8221; is the journey to Haifa as a place to &#8216;spike your tent&#8217;, as it were, and visit all the historic locations visited by Baha&#8217;u'llah in his exile to Palestine. </p>
<p>And anyway, his burial place IS the Qiblih. One might interpret based on Baquias rant that visiting the qiblih is spiritually insignificant.</p>
<p>Also, Baquia, I wonder if you&#8217;d be so kind as to share with us the letters you wrote the UHJ?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Marshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2011 02:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PILGRIMAGE TO THE HOLY LAND
At present, when Baha&#039;is refer to pilgrimage, they almost always mean pilgrimage to the Shrines of the Bab and Baha&#039;u&#039;llah in the Holy Land. This pilgrimage seems to have evolved, rater than having been established by a clear text in the writings of Baha&#039;u&#039;llah. Although it is not referred to as hajj, it was always more important in practice than pilgrimage to the Baghdad or Shiraz Houses.
&quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0853984069?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=bqihr-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=390957&amp;creativeASIN=0853984069&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sacred acts, sacred space, sacred time&lt;/a&gt;&quot; - John Walbridge, pp. 115-115</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PILGRIMAGE TO THE HOLY LAND<br />
At present, when Baha&#8217;is refer to pilgrimage, they almost always mean pilgrimage to the Shrines of the Bab and Baha&#8217;u'llah in the Holy Land. This pilgrimage seems to have evolved, rater than having been established by a clear text in the writings of Baha&#8217;u'llah. Although it is not referred to as hajj, it was always more important in practice than pilgrimage to the Baghdad or Shiraz Houses.<br />
&#8220;<a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0853984069?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=bqihr-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=390957&#038;creativeASIN=0853984069" rel="nofollow">Sacred acts, sacred space, sacred time</a>&#8221; &#8211; John Walbridge, pp. 115-115</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 03:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hah, the point is, you don&#039;t walk into a room, tell everybody that they&#039;re wrong without providing evidence to back it up, and then when they disagree say &quot;Prove it!&quot; It&#039;s a double standard that I refuse to take part in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hah, the point is, you don&#8217;t walk into a room, tell everybody that they&#8217;re wrong without providing evidence to back it up, and then when they disagree say &#8220;Prove it!&#8221; It&#8217;s a double standard that I refuse to take part in.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 03:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem here is that you are asserting this as a fact, when you haven&#039;t actually shown it to be a fact. While Baha&#039;u&#039;llah only designated the houses of Baha&#039;u&#039;llah and the Bab as locations of pilgrimage, Abdu&#039;l-Baha referred to the experience of a journey which includes visiting the Shrine of Baha&#039;u&#039;llah as a pilgrimage. Shoghi Effendi later continued this and now the UHJ. 

The responsibility then to show that it is a fact that Abdu&#039;l-Baha in no way does designate the Shrine of Baha&#039;u&#039;llah as a pilgrimage rests on your shoulders.

I do enjoy this game, but it keeps me from more important things...like music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem here is that you are asserting this as a fact, when you haven&#8217;t actually shown it to be a fact. While Baha&#8217;u'llah only designated the houses of Baha&#8217;u'llah and the Bab as locations of pilgrimage, Abdu&#8217;l-Baha referred to the experience of a journey which includes visiting the Shrine of Baha&#8217;u'llah as a pilgrimage. Shoghi Effendi later continued this and now the UHJ. </p>
<p>The responsibility then to show that it is a fact that Abdu&#8217;l-Baha in no way does designate the Shrine of Baha&#8217;u'llah as a pilgrimage rests on your shoulders.</p>
<p>I do enjoy this game, but it keeps me from more important things&#8230;like music.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbruthw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbruthw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 02:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>prove a negative, anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>prove a negative, anyone?</p>
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