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		<title>By: Pathology of Homosexuality &#124; Baha'i Rants</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pathology of Homosexuality &#124; Baha'i Rants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 04:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In Islam we have an institutionalized form of prostitution (nikah al-mut&#8217;ah) and it is a little known fact that polygamy is possible within the Baha&#8217;i [...]</description>
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		<title>By: sonjavank</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/its-a-little-known-fact-4-132-132.html/comment-page-1#comment-83782</link>
		<dc:creator>sonjavank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2012 09:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Kratos you wrote &quot;I don&#039;t think Baha&#039;u&#039;llah was very accepting of homosexuality though.&quot; deciding to disregard the fact that Baha&#039;u&#039;llah didn&#039;t write a word on the topic. I&#039;ll post this link for anyone who might be interested what is in Bahai Scripture that touches on this subject. http://justabahai.wordpress.com/find/#q 

Kratos from this your other comments, it seems to me tahatht you are not interested an indepth discussion of the Writings as you asked initiality. Mouthing off about Bahais is not fruitful. I am a Bahai, so you are calling me dishonest and living a fake life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Kratos you wrote &#8220;I don&#8217;t think Baha&#8217;u'llah was very accepting of homosexuality though.&#8221; deciding to disregard the fact that Baha&#8217;u'llah didn&#8217;t write a word on the topic. I&#8217;ll post this link for anyone who might be interested what is in Bahai Scripture that touches on this subject. <a href="http://justabahai.wordpress.com/find/#q" rel="nofollow">http://justabahai.wordpress.com/find/#q</a> </p>
<p>Kratos from this your other comments, it seems to me tahatht you are not interested an indepth discussion of the Writings as you asked initiality. Mouthing off about Bahais is not fruitful. I am a Bahai, so you are calling me dishonest and living a fake life.</p>
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		<title>By: sonjavank</title>
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		<dc:creator>sonjavank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2012 16:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings Kratos, Bahai Scripture which is authorative and unchangeable does not mention homosexuality, however many Bahais say all sorts of evil things about homosexuality and some say that their views are based on the Bahai Writings. My latest blog challenges the idea that homosexuality is an illness &gt; 
http://justabahai.wordpress.com/2012/04/30/on-the-psychopathology-of-homosexuality/ 

Next time a Bahai writes something negative about gays and says it comes from the Bahai Writings and then they say but a Letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi counts then ask them how come the Letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi stating that birth control is against the spirit of the Bahai Teachings is clearly ignored. 
Letters written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi are generally treated as advice or guidance, along with the context they were written in, except for anything mentioning homosexuality. Then it is treated as if it is scripture. So it is clearly prejudice against gays. Here&#039;s what Shoghi Effendi is likely to have intended: 

&quot;The infallibility of the Guardian is confined to matters which are related strictly to the Cause and interpretation of the teachings; he is not an infallible authority on other subjects, … …when he gives advice, such as that he gave you in a previous letter about your future, it is not binding; you are free to follow it or not as you please.” (1944) 

&quot;Although the secretaries of the Guardian convey his thoughts and instructions and these messages are authoritative, their words are in no sense the same as his, their style certainly not the same, and their authority less…” (1951)  http://justabahai.wordpress.com/find/#letters

(note, I say &quot;likely&quot; - I am not a mind reader and neither is a secretary however accurately she or he might been in penning these letters - If you want to know what Shoghi Effendi actually thought (and interpreted), read what he wrote himself - You&#039;ll find he never mentions homosexuality).

Now not having anything penned in Scripture is not an issue. That means this falls under the legislation of the U.H.J. to rule on. The current policy of the U.H.J. appears (I say &#039;appears&#039; because all I have as a source are a number of letters and statements - and tomorrow there might be a differing letter or there could be later letters I have not seen) to be that homosexuals must officially live celibate lives but that compassion and tolerance should be exercised. The latest letter of theirs (Oct 2010) that I am aware of which touches on this subject (and on same sex marriage) is quoted here &gt; http://justabahai.wordpress.com/2011/05/05/lady-gaga-born-this-way/#socialjustice</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings Kratos, Bahai Scripture which is authorative and unchangeable does not mention homosexuality, however many Bahais say all sorts of evil things about homosexuality and some say that their views are based on the Bahai Writings. My latest blog challenges the idea that homosexuality is an illness &gt; <br />
<a href="http://justabahai.wordpress.com/2012/04/30/on-the-psychopathology-of-homosexuality/ " rel="nofollow">http://justabahai.wordpress.com/2012/04/30/on-the-psychopathology-of-homosexuality/ </a></p>
<p>Next time a Bahai writes something negative about gays and says it comes from the Bahai Writings and then they say but a Letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi counts then ask them how come the Letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi stating that birth control is against the spirit of the Bahai Teachings is clearly ignored. <br />
Letters written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi are generally treated as advice or guidance, along with the context they were written in, except for anything mentioning homosexuality. Then it is treated as if it is scripture. So it is clearly prejudice against gays. Here&#8217;s what Shoghi Effendi is likely to have intended: </p>
<p>&#8220;The infallibility of the Guardian is confined to matters which are related strictly to the Cause and interpretation of the teachings; he is not an infallible authority on other subjects, … …when he gives advice, such as that he gave you in a previous letter about your future, it is not binding; you are free to follow it or not as you please.” (1944) </p>
<p>&#8220;Although the secretaries of the Guardian convey his thoughts and instructions and these messages are authoritative, their words are in no sense the same as his, their style certainly not the same, and their authority less…” (1951)  http://justabahai.wordpress.com/find/#letters</p>
<p>(note, I say &#8220;likely&#8221; &#8211; I am not a mind reader and neither is a secretary however accurately she or he might been in penning these letters &#8211; If you want to know what Shoghi Effendi actually thought (and interpreted), read what he wrote himself &#8211; You&#8217;ll find he never mentions homosexuality).</p>
<p>Now not having anything penned in Scripture is not an issue. That means this falls under the legislation of the U.H.J. to rule on. The current policy of the U.H.J. appears (I say &#8216;appears&#8217; because all I have as a source are a number of letters and statements &#8211; and tomorrow there might be a differing letter or there could be later letters I have not seen) to be that homosexuals must officially live celibate lives but that compassion and tolerance should be exercised. The latest letter of theirs (Oct 2010) that I am aware of which touches on this subject (and on same sex marriage) is quoted here &gt; http://justabahai.wordpress.com/2011/05/05/lady-gaga-born-this-way/#socialjustice</p>
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		<title>By: Desir0101</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desir0101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2012 18:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> new address

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> new address</p>
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		<title>By: Kratos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kratos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 02:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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Id like to know in depth what the Bahai writings on homosexuality are.&quot;

it&#039;s prohibited and defined as an illness. 

This is not in depth, I realize. The baha&#039;i writings themselves don&#039;t really go in depth. They just say it&#039;s not good to be gay. That&#039;s all. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221;<br />
Id like to know in depth what the Bahai writings on homosexuality are.&#8221;</p>
<p>it&#8217;s prohibited and defined as an illness. </p>
<p>This is not in depth, I realize. The baha&#8217;i writings themselves don&#8217;t really go in depth. They just say it&#8217;s not good to be gay. That&#8217;s all. </p>
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		<title>By: Kratos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kratos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 02:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My reply to the UHJ would be: 


&quot;pffff&quot;. 

Religions sometimes are more irrational than a woman in her periods. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My reply to the UHJ would be: </p>
<p>&#8220;pffff&#8221;. </p>
<p>Religions sometimes are more irrational than a woman in her periods. </p>
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		<title>By: Desir0101</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desir0101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Hi every body,
I feel it my duty and being compelled to show you the response from the House of Justice about the plurality of Bahaullah&#039;s wives.

&quot;&quot;HE doeth what He willeth&quot;&quot;

That&#039;s fine.

http://desir0101.wordpress.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Hi every body,<br />
I feel it my duty and being compelled to show you the response from the House of Justice about the plurality of Bahaullah&#8217;s wives.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;HE doeth what He willeth&#8221;"</p>
<p>That&#8217;s fine.</p>
<p><a href="http://desir0101.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://desir0101.wordpress.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: wahidazal66</title>
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		<dc:creator>wahidazal66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 12:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I have. I also own an original edition of it.

Your assessment is ahistorical. These issues have also been discussed beyond the hagiographies of pseudo-Zarandi (Nabil Zarandi never authored the history attributed to him). If there was no reason for the uprisings, then you need to explain how uprisings had already occurred previous to it amongst the Isma&#039;ili community (Agha Khan Mahalati) as well as others and why especially  the position of the Qajar monarchy and state was such that 50 years after these uprisings a revolution imposed a constitution on it and 70 years later this dynasty was abolished altogether. You are also simplifying issues into boxes which need to be engaged with critically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I have. I also own an original edition of it.</p>
<p>Your assessment is ahistorical. These issues have also been discussed beyond the hagiographies of pseudo-Zarandi (Nabil Zarandi never authored the history attributed to him). If there was no reason for the uprisings, then you need to explain how uprisings had already occurred previous to it amongst the Isma&#8217;ili community (Agha Khan Mahalati) as well as others and why especially  the position of the Qajar monarchy and state was such that 50 years after these uprisings a revolution imposed a constitution on it and 70 years later this dynasty was abolished altogether. You are also simplifying issues into boxes which need to be engaged with critically.</p>
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		<title>By: Desir0101</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desir0101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 11:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> GOOD DAY  Mr.Wahid,Have you read this book of Compte de Gobineau.Les Religions et les philosophies dans l&#039;Asie centrale.Even the bahai book Dawn Breakers by Nabil i azam failed to depict a situation of persecution of the Babis by the authorities of the countries to give reason to such uprisings.Or simply may be it&#039;s God&#039;s purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> GOOD DAY  Mr.Wahid,Have you read this book of Compte de Gobineau.Les Religions et les philosophies dans l&#8217;Asie centrale.Even the bahai book Dawn Breakers by Nabil i azam failed to depict a situation of persecution of the Babis by the authorities of the countries to give reason to such uprisings.Or simply may be it&#8217;s God&#8217;s purpose.</p>
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