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		<title>By: wahidazal66</title>
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		<description>Yes, I have. I also own an original edition of it.

Your assessment is ahistorical. These issues have also been discussed beyond the hagiographies of pseudo-Zarandi (Nabil Zarandi never authored the history attributed to him). If there was no reason for the uprisings, then you need to explain how uprisings had already occurred previous to it amongst the Isma&#039;ili community (Agha Khan Mahalati) as well as others and why especially  the position of the Qajar monarchy and state was such that 50 years after these uprisings a revolution imposed a constitution on it and 70 years later this dynasty was abolished altogether. You are also simplifying issues into boxes which need to be engaged with critically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I have. I also own an original edition of it.</p>
<p>Your assessment is ahistorical. These issues have also been discussed beyond the hagiographies of pseudo-Zarandi (Nabil Zarandi never authored the history attributed to him). If there was no reason for the uprisings, then you need to explain how uprisings had already occurred previous to it amongst the Isma&#8217;ili community (Agha Khan Mahalati) as well as others and why especially  the position of the Qajar monarchy and state was such that 50 years after these uprisings a revolution imposed a constitution on it and 70 years later this dynasty was abolished altogether. You are also simplifying issues into boxes which need to be engaged with critically.</p>
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		<title>By: Desir0101</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 11:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> GOOD DAY  Mr.Wahid,Have you read this book of Compte de Gobineau.Les Religions et les philosophies dans l&#039;Asie centrale.Even the bahai book Dawn Breakers by Nabil i azam failed to depict a situation of persecution of the Babis by the authorities of the countries to give reason to such uprisings.Or simply may be it&#039;s God&#039;s purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GOOD DAY  Mr.Wahid,Have you read this book of Compte de Gobineau.Les Religions et les philosophies dans l&#8217;Asie centrale.Even the bahai book Dawn Breakers by Nabil i azam failed to depict a situation of persecution of the Babis by the authorities of the countries to give reason to such uprisings.Or simply may be it&#8217;s God&#8217;s purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: wahidazal66</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2012 01:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Horrible acts? Governments and movements engage in defensive wars all the time. Your own government is forever engaging in aggressive imperial wars of conquest all over the world. The Babi uprisings came about as a result of persecution by the Qajar state and clergy and these wars were fully justified. It is unfortunate they did not succeed in overthrowing the corrupt Qajar state with its even more corrupt clergy because the political and economic terrain of Iran and the rest of the Mid East would be very different today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Horrible acts? Governments and movements engage in defensive wars all the time. Your own government is forever engaging in aggressive imperial wars of conquest all over the world. The Babi uprisings came about as a result of persecution by the Qajar state and clergy and these wars were fully justified. It is unfortunate they did not succeed in overthrowing the corrupt Qajar state with its even more corrupt clergy because the political and economic terrain of Iran and the rest of the Mid East would be very different today.</p>
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		<title>By: Desir0101</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2012 14:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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Good day,
Can someone please help.
In the Babi history it has been question of upheavals popularly known in
Tarbasi Tomb, Zanjan and Nayriz etc.

Why the Babis planned such horrible acts.

I found no real  and sustainable reason to such barbarous acts.

According to Bahai books there is a sudden jump  to prepare such war act,
as if a chapter is missing.

I understood that the Bab is a very handsome and peaceful Being.
And according to the writings of Bahaullah,&#039;&#039; thanks should be rendered to
MUllah Husein to have set the Lord upon His throne..&#039;&#039;
through these wars acts.

Did the Babi wanted to destabilize the  then government as the political
perspective was in under  sever pressure and influences of other
countries.

Thanks.





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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good day,<br />
Can someone please help.<br />
In the Babi history it has been question of upheavals popularly known in<br />
Tarbasi Tomb, Zanjan and Nayriz etc.</p>
<p>Why the Babis planned such horrible acts.</p>
<p>I found no real  and sustainable reason to such barbarous acts.</p>
<p>According to Bahai books there is a sudden jump  to prepare such war act,<br />
as if a chapter is missing.</p>
<p>I understood that the Bab is a very handsome and peaceful Being.<br />
And according to the writings of Bahaullah,&#8221; thanks should be rendered to<br />
MUllah Husein to have set the Lord upon His throne..&#8221;<br />
through these wars acts.</p>
<p>Did the Babi wanted to destabilize the  then government as the political<br />
perspective was in under  sever pressure and influences of other<br />
countries.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Battery is an act of agression and victimization. John Locke said freedom is forfeit when people commit acts of agression. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy

David Friedman and Steve Sailer
 have argued that polygamy tends to benefit most women and disadvantage 
most men, under the assumption that most men and women do not practice 
it. The idea is firstly that many women would prefer half or one third 
of someone especially appealing to being the single spouse of someone 
that doesn&#039;t provide as much economic utility to them. Secondly, that 
the remaining women have a better market for finding a spouse 
themselves. Say that 20% of women are married to 10% of men, that leaves
 90% of men to compete over the remaining 80% of women. Friedman uses 
this viewpoint to argue in favor of legalizing polygamy, while Sailer 
uses it to argue against legalizing it.

In the US, the Libertarian Party supports complete decriminalization of polygamy as part of a general belief that the government should not regulate marriages.

Individualist feminism and advocates such as Wendy McElroy also support the freedom for adults to voluntarily enter polygamous marriages.

The American Civil Liberties Union of Utah, USA, is opposed to Utah&#039;s law against cohabitation.[91]

Those who advocate a Federal Marriage Amendment to the American Constitution to prohibit same-sex marriage generally word their proposed laws to also prohibit polygamy. Many proponents of same-sex marriage are also in favour of maintaining current statutory prohibitions against polygamy.[citation needed]

Stanley Kurtz, a fellow at the Hudson Institute, lamented the modern 
arguments increasingly being made by various intellectuals who call for 
de-criminalizing polygamy. Kurtz concluded, &quot;Marriage, as its 
ultramodern critics would like to say, is indeed about choosing one&#039;s 
partner, and about freedom in a society that values freedom. But that&#039;s 
not the only thing it is about. As the Supreme Court justices who 
unanimously decided Reynolds in 1878 understood, marriage is also about 
sustaining the conditions in which freedom can thrive. Polygamy in all 
its forms is a recipe for social structures that inhibit and ultimately 
undermine social freedom and democracy. A hard-won lesson of Western 
history is that genuine democratic self-rule begins at the hearth of the
 monogamous family.&quot;[92]

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Battery is an act of agression and victimization. John Locke said freedom is forfeit when people commit acts of agression. </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-aggression_principle</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy</a></p>
<p>David Friedman and Steve Sailer<br />
 have argued that polygamy tends to benefit most women and disadvantage<br />
most men, under the assumption that most men and women do not practice<br />
it. The idea is firstly that many women would prefer half or one third<br />
of someone especially appealing to being the single spouse of someone<br />
that doesn&#8217;t provide as much economic utility to them. Secondly, that<br />
the remaining women have a better market for finding a spouse<br />
themselves. Say that 20% of women are married to 10% of men, that leaves<br />
 90% of men to compete over the remaining 80% of women. Friedman uses<br />
this viewpoint to argue in favor of legalizing polygamy, while Sailer<br />
uses it to argue against legalizing it.</p>
<p>In the US, the Libertarian Party supports complete decriminalization of polygamy as part of a general belief that the government should not regulate marriages.</p>
<p>Individualist feminism and advocates such as Wendy McElroy also support the freedom for adults to voluntarily enter polygamous marriages.</p>
<p>The American Civil Liberties Union of Utah, USA, is opposed to Utah&#8217;s law against cohabitation.[91]</p>
<p>Those who advocate a Federal Marriage Amendment to the American Constitution to prohibit same-sex marriage generally word their proposed laws to also prohibit polygamy. Many proponents of same-sex marriage are also in favour of maintaining current statutory prohibitions against polygamy.[citation needed]</p>
<p>Stanley Kurtz, a fellow at the Hudson Institute, lamented the modern<br />
arguments increasingly being made by various intellectuals who call for<br />
de-criminalizing polygamy. Kurtz concluded, &#8220;Marriage, as its<br />
ultramodern critics would like to say, is indeed about choosing one&#8217;s<br />
partner, and about freedom in a society that values freedom. But that&#8217;s<br />
not the only thing it is about. As the Supreme Court justices who<br />
unanimously decided Reynolds in 1878 understood, marriage is also about<br />
sustaining the conditions in which freedom can thrive. Polygamy in all<br />
its forms is a recipe for social structures that inhibit and ultimately<br />
undermine social freedom and democracy. A hard-won lesson of Western<br />
history is that genuine democratic self-rule begins at the hearth of the<br />
 monogamous family.&#8221;[92]</p>
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		<title>By: Desir0101</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2011 16:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
I repeatedly read that quotes from AMR WA KHALQ. But where can I procure the book.
Can someone help, please,
thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
I repeatedly read that quotes from AMR WA KHALQ. But where can I procure the book.<br />
Can someone help, please,<br />
thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Baquia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baquia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 21:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. Just as battery laws violate freedom of movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. Just as battery laws violate freedom of movement.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 16:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monogamy mandates violate freedom of association. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monogamy mandates violate freedom of association.</p>
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		<title>By: Desir0101</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desir0101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>desir said
January 3, 2011 at 7:55 pm 

Good day.
Just to say that the study circle the well famous RUHI is a fiasco.I got news from several countries’ institutions to confirm it.The goal to set up the institute was achieved but no real increased activities after- completing the study as was the expectation.The believers was just proud to have completed all the levels, as if now they are scholar.You believe that for believers after many years as a Bahai, with a vast and profound knowledge of the faith, must now go through RUHI 1,just to be able to prepare the setting for the devotional prayer meeting which he already did for so many years, Ruhi 3 Children classes etc.But as far as I know there is no obligation to follow the Ruhi study circle.But if you don’t you will be put aside.

”You it is who, in your tens of thousands, are serving as tutors of study circles wherever receptivity is kindled. You it is who, without thought of self”.



Desir0101.

 
QueenTiye said
January 12, 2011 at 8:04 pm 
Always someone willing to be a naysayer! :) Yes, some people do simply feel proud to have completed the courses. Human nature. And some feel like they are scholars – also human nature. But if they actually practiced, as Ruhi suggests, then all have increased capacity to serve the Cause. The question is – what is in their hearts to do? Or, who will ask them to serve? Dear Desir0101, why not ask some of these newly-Ruhi trained “scholars” if they would be willing to host a study group in their home, or a devotional?

QT

desir said
January 3, 2011 at 7:55 pm 
Hi SEn,
Good day.
Just to say that the study circle the well famous RUHI is a fiasco.I got news from several countries’ institutions to confirm it.The goal to set up the institute was achieved but no real increased activities after- completing the study as was the expectation.The believers was just proud to have completed all the levels, as if now they are scholar.You believe that for believers after many years as a Bahai, with a vast and profound knowledge of the faith, must now go through RUHI 1,just to be able to prepare the setting for the devotional prayer meeting which he already did for so many years, Ruhi 3 Children classes etc.But as far as I know there is no obligation to follow the Ruhi study circle.But if you don’t you will be put aside.

”You it is who, in your tens of thousands, are serving as tutors of study circles wherever receptivity is kindled. You it is who, without thought of self”.

And thanks Sen for your patience.

Desir0101.

 
QueenTiye said
January 12, 2011 at 8:04 pm 
Always someone willing to be a naysayer! :) Yes, some people do simply feel proud to have completed the courses. Human nature. And some feel like they are scholars – also human nature. But if they actually practiced, as Ruhi suggests, then all have increased capacity to serve the Cause. The question is – what is in their hearts to do? Or, who will ask them to serve? Dear Desir0101, why not ask some of these newly-Ruhi trained “scholars” if they would be willing to host a study group in their home, or a devotional?

QT

desir said
January 3, 2011 at 7:55 pm 
Hi SEn,
Good day.
Just to say that the study circle the well famous RUHI is a fiasco.I got news from several countries’ institutions to confirm it.The goal to set up the institute was achieved but no real increased activities after- completing the study as was the expectation.The believers was just proud to have completed all the levels, as if now they are scholar.You believe that for believers after many years as a Bahai, with a vast and profound knowledge of the faith, must now go through RUHI 1,just to be able to prepare the setting for the devotional prayer meeting which he already did for so many years, Ruhi 3 Children classes etc.But as far as I know there is no obligation to follow the Ruhi study circle.But if you don’t you will be put aside.

”You it is who, in your tens of thousands, are serving as tutors of study circles wherever receptivity is kindled. You it is who, without thought of self”.

And thanks Sen for your patience.

Desir0101.

 
QueenTiye said
January 12, 2011 at 8:04 pm 
Always someone willing to be a naysayer! :) Yes, some people do simply feel proud to have completed the courses. Human nature. And some feel like they are scholars – also human nature. But if they actually practiced, as Ruhi suggests, then all have increased capacity to serve the Cause. The question is – what is in their hearts to do? Or, who will ask them to serve? Dear Desir0101, why not ask some of these newly-Ruhi trained “scholars” if they would be willing to host a study group in their home, or a devotional?

QT

QueenTiye.   
            Good day.
            Ruhi institute is a fiasco, a big fiasco in many countries. The final goal, the                             expectation was not achieved. Waste of money and time.
In depth Bahais have no respect for other cultures and beliefs ,its just on your lips. You really believe that you are a superior race with great wisdom and knowledge.
According to you the one who teach get 90% blessings and the listener just 10%.
You associate and mingle with others with the sole purpose to convert to bahai.
“”if they would be willing to host a study group in their home…””
Yes, Sure. Nice.
But your intent is only conversion to your faith. Conversion and again conversion.
You really have nothing to learn from others you just performing a show.
“”but if  they actually practiced, as Ruhi suggest…..”
You are right’’ but if….’’ Means that you have no attain the required standard.
I hosted the meeting, we ate at the same table, have fun and prayed together but when you are  in your Bahai circle, we understood that  you called us  NON-BAHAI.
We in fact don’t form part of your sphere of the elected ONES.
It’s in fact a great humiliation . As if we are “”PAIENS’’ ( in french).
You have every thing to change the world but not spirituality..
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>desir said<br />
January 3, 2011 at 7:55 pm </p>
<p>Good day.<br />
Just to say that the study circle the well famous RUHI is a fiasco.I got news from several countries’ institutions to confirm it.The goal to set up the institute was achieved but no real increased activities after- completing the study as was the expectation.The believers was just proud to have completed all the levels, as if now they are scholar.You believe that for believers after many years as a Bahai, with a vast and profound knowledge of the faith, must now go through RUHI 1,just to be able to prepare the setting for the devotional prayer meeting which he already did for so many years, Ruhi 3 Children classes etc.But as far as I know there is no obligation to follow the Ruhi study circle.But if you don’t you will be put aside.</p>
<p>”You it is who, in your tens of thousands, are serving as tutors of study circles wherever receptivity is kindled. You it is who, without thought of self”.</p>
<p>Desir0101.</p>
<p>QueenTiye said<br />
January 12, 2011 at 8:04 pm<br />
Always someone willing to be a naysayer! <img src='http://bahairants.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Yes, some people do simply feel proud to have completed the courses. Human nature. And some feel like they are scholars – also human nature. But if they actually practiced, as Ruhi suggests, then all have increased capacity to serve the Cause. The question is – what is in their hearts to do? Or, who will ask them to serve? Dear Desir0101, why not ask some of these newly-Ruhi trained “scholars” if they would be willing to host a study group in their home, or a devotional?</p>
<p>QT</p>
<p>desir said<br />
January 3, 2011 at 7:55 pm<br />
Hi SEn,<br />
Good day.<br />
Just to say that the study circle the well famous RUHI is a fiasco.I got news from several countries’ institutions to confirm it.The goal to set up the institute was achieved but no real increased activities after- completing the study as was the expectation.The believers was just proud to have completed all the levels, as if now they are scholar.You believe that for believers after many years as a Bahai, with a vast and profound knowledge of the faith, must now go through RUHI 1,just to be able to prepare the setting for the devotional prayer meeting which he already did for so many years, Ruhi 3 Children classes etc.But as far as I know there is no obligation to follow the Ruhi study circle.But if you don’t you will be put aside.</p>
<p>”You it is who, in your tens of thousands, are serving as tutors of study circles wherever receptivity is kindled. You it is who, without thought of self”.</p>
<p>And thanks Sen for your patience.</p>
<p>Desir0101.</p>
<p>QueenTiye said<br />
January 12, 2011 at 8:04 pm<br />
Always someone willing to be a naysayer! <img src='http://bahairants.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Yes, some people do simply feel proud to have completed the courses. Human nature. And some feel like they are scholars – also human nature. But if they actually practiced, as Ruhi suggests, then all have increased capacity to serve the Cause. The question is – what is in their hearts to do? Or, who will ask them to serve? Dear Desir0101, why not ask some of these newly-Ruhi trained “scholars” if they would be willing to host a study group in their home, or a devotional?</p>
<p>QT</p>
<p>desir said<br />
January 3, 2011 at 7:55 pm<br />
Hi SEn,<br />
Good day.<br />
Just to say that the study circle the well famous RUHI is a fiasco.I got news from several countries’ institutions to confirm it.The goal to set up the institute was achieved but no real increased activities after- completing the study as was the expectation.The believers was just proud to have completed all the levels, as if now they are scholar.You believe that for believers after many years as a Bahai, with a vast and profound knowledge of the faith, must now go through RUHI 1,just to be able to prepare the setting for the devotional prayer meeting which he already did for so many years, Ruhi 3 Children classes etc.But as far as I know there is no obligation to follow the Ruhi study circle.But if you don’t you will be put aside.</p>
<p>”You it is who, in your tens of thousands, are serving as tutors of study circles wherever receptivity is kindled. You it is who, without thought of self”.</p>
<p>And thanks Sen for your patience.</p>
<p>Desir0101.</p>
<p>QueenTiye said<br />
January 12, 2011 at 8:04 pm<br />
Always someone willing to be a naysayer! <img src='http://bahairants.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Yes, some people do simply feel proud to have completed the courses. Human nature. And some feel like they are scholars – also human nature. But if they actually practiced, as Ruhi suggests, then all have increased capacity to serve the Cause. The question is – what is in their hearts to do? Or, who will ask them to serve? Dear Desir0101, why not ask some of these newly-Ruhi trained “scholars” if they would be willing to host a study group in their home, or a devotional?</p>
<p>QT</p>
<p>QueenTiye.<br />
            Good day.<br />
            Ruhi institute is a fiasco, a big fiasco in many countries. The final goal, the                             expectation was not achieved. Waste of money and time.<br />
In depth Bahais have no respect for other cultures and beliefs ,its just on your lips. You really believe that you are a superior race with great wisdom and knowledge.<br />
According to you the one who teach get 90% blessings and the listener just 10%.<br />
You associate and mingle with others with the sole purpose to convert to bahai.<br />
“”if they would be willing to host a study group in their home…””<br />
Yes, Sure. Nice.<br />
But your intent is only conversion to your faith. Conversion and again conversion.<br />
You really have nothing to learn from others you just performing a show.<br />
“”but if  they actually practiced, as Ruhi suggest…..”<br />
You are right’’ but if….’’ Means that you have no attain the required standard.<br />
I hosted the meeting, we ate at the same table, have fun and prayed together but when you are  in your Bahai circle, we understood that  you called us  NON-BAHAI.<br />
We in fact don’t form part of your sphere of the elected ONES.<br />
It’s in fact a great humiliation . As if we are “”PAIENS’’ ( in french).<br />
You have every thing to change the world but not spirituality..</p>
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