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		<title>By: sheelanainish</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/la-class-newsletter-34-412.html/comment-page-1#comment-69328</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 23:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read Mr. MacEoin&#039;s 30 year old comments here. The Framework of the Five Year Plan is the very tool (!) by which all the weaknesses outlined in his letter are addressed in real time. I am writing is to say that propagating angst about Baha&#039;i political positions and attitudes is a sad distraction from the work at hand.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The work at hand is defined through the framework of the Five Year Plan which has been delivered through the agency of an Instiution unlike any other in the expereince of history. We must needs experience this re-educative effort (or as I suspect), we are finally mature enough to receive this new learning which feels profoundly humbling. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For some, Ruhi Training and taking direct teaching efforts into extremely impoverished neighborhoods has been a disorienting experience that challenges the presumptions we have nourished for the last 30 years. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have witnessed true confusion and lack of comprehension for how the Five Year Plan works among older Baha&#039;is. These are same Baha&#039;i who  have had complete freedom in the past 30 years to implement almost any idea that came to mind, yet they failed to substanially and consistently expand the Faith.   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As a foot soldier, I have knowingly participated in past teaching efforts that started and ended, as well meaning but clumsy, attempts to teach the Faith that were uniformly abandoned. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why there is hugh and cry for old ways, old habits, old assumptions, even for old outdated intellectual conceits?  Really, should I be reading Engels, after Communism has gone to dust? The only consideration the dictiator Pinochet needs from me now is prayer consideration as he is long dead. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This above letter may have been posted as a demonstration of &quot;foresight&quot; but actually makes a substanial case for how the 5 Year Plan advances the community and serves up a lesson that we may all want to take re taking the Master&#039;s warnings about attachment to worldy pursuits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read Mr. MacEoin&#39;s 30 year old comments here. The Framework of the Five Year Plan is the very tool (!) by which all the weaknesses outlined in his letter are addressed in real time. I am writing is to say that propagating angst about Baha&#39;i political positions and attitudes is a sad distraction from the work at hand.  </p>
<p>The work at hand is defined through the framework of the Five Year Plan which has been delivered through the agency of an Instiution unlike any other in the expereince of history. We must needs experience this re-educative effort (or as I suspect), we are finally mature enough to receive this new learning which feels profoundly humbling. </p>
<p>For some, Ruhi Training and taking direct teaching efforts into extremely impoverished neighborhoods has been a disorienting experience that challenges the presumptions we have nourished for the last 30 years. </p>
<p>I have witnessed true confusion and lack of comprehension for how the Five Year Plan works among older Baha&#39;is. These are same Baha&#39;i who  have had complete freedom in the past 30 years to implement almost any idea that came to mind, yet they failed to substanially and consistently expand the Faith.   </p>
<p>As a foot soldier, I have knowingly participated in past teaching efforts that started and ended, as well meaning but clumsy, attempts to teach the Faith that were uniformly abandoned. </p>
<p>Why there is hugh and cry for old ways, old habits, old assumptions, even for old outdated intellectual conceits?  Really, should I be reading Engels, after Communism has gone to dust? The only consideration the dictiator Pinochet needs from me now is prayer consideration as he is long dead. </p>
<p>This above letter may have been posted as a demonstration of &#8220;foresight&#8221; but actually makes a substanial case for how the 5 Year Plan advances the community and serves up a lesson that we may all want to take re taking the Master&#39;s warnings about attachment to worldy pursuits.</p>
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		<title>By: Universal House of Justice: Ridvan Message 2010 &#124; Baha'i Rants</title>
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		<dc:creator>Universal House of Justice: Ridvan Message 2010 &#124; Baha'i Rants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 23:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has already been pointed out by many &#8211; including as early as 30 years ago. For more see Denis MacEoin&#8217;s letter to the LA Study Class. Let me know if anything of interest stands out for you. The previous years Ridvan messages are [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has already been pointed out by many &#8211; including as early as 30 years ago. For more see Denis MacEoin&#8217;s letter to the LA Study Class. Let me know if anything of interest stands out for you. The previous years Ridvan messages are [...]</p>
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		<title>By: LA Class Newsletter [#35] at Baha&#8217;i Rants</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/la-class-newsletter-34-412.html/comment-page-1#comment-62740</link>
		<dc:creator>LA Class Newsletter [#35] at Baha&#8217;i Rants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 21:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] next installment of the LA Class deals with the aftermath of the letter written by Dr. Denis MacEoin regarding the ineffective outreach of the Faith and its flirtation with irrelevancy to an ever [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Arrested Iranian Baha&#8217;is Face Islamic Court at Baha&#8217;i Rants</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/la-class-newsletter-34-412.html/comment-page-1#comment-61997</link>
		<dc:creator>Arrested Iranian Baha&#8217;is Face Islamic Court at Baha&#8217;i Rants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is, of course, nothing new (unfortunately). In the latest LA Class newsletter we read an article that Denis MacEoin wrote 30 years ago decrying this same self-serving [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is, of course, nothing new (unfortunately). In the latest LA Class newsletter we read an article that Denis MacEoin wrote 30 years ago decrying this same self-serving [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Keats Thomas</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/la-class-newsletter-34-412.html/comment-page-1#comment-61646</link>
		<dc:creator>Keats Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no real consultation, not even at the local level.  So many things are taboo, so many topics are off limits, one might as well not speak at all.  And, if one does not sound like Shoghi Effendi, one is given the evil eye.  The leadership is truly horrible - particularly the &#039;appointed&#039; branch.  Of all the ABMs I met during my time as a Baha&#039;i, there was only one who wasn&#039;t a complete asshole.  I am being completely serious.  No exaggeration.  After a while, it dawned on me that this should not be the case.  They are worse than clergy.  Looking back on it, I am shocked that I lasted so long.  And, there is no end in sight and no way to change it.  The crazy thing is, the people at the top think that this is the way it should be - God guided and all that.  I am convinced if the Faith lost 90% of its members through resignation, the people at the top would stay the course.  Nothing would change because they would think that this is just another test.  Sad. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no real consultation, not even at the local level.  So many things are taboo, so many topics are off limits, one might as well not speak at all.  And, if one does not sound like Shoghi Effendi, one is given the evil eye.  The leadership is truly horrible &#8211; particularly the &#039;appointed&#039; branch.  Of all the ABMs I met during my time as a Baha&#039;i, there was only one who wasn&#039;t a complete asshole.  I am being completely serious.  No exaggeration.  After a while, it dawned on me that this should not be the case.  They are worse than clergy.  Looking back on it, I am shocked that I lasted so long.  And, there is no end in sight and no way to change it.  The crazy thing is, the people at the top think that this is the way it should be &#8211; God guided and all that.  I am convinced if the Faith lost 90% of its members through resignation, the people at the top would stay the course.  Nothing would change because they would think that this is just another test.  Sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Keats Thomas</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/la-class-newsletter-34-412.html/comment-page-1#comment-81073</link>
		<dc:creator>Keats Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no real consultation, not even at the local level.  So many things are taboo, so many topics are off limits, one might as well not speak at all.  And, if one does not sound like Shoghi Effendi, one is given the evil eye.  The leadership is truly horrible - particularly the &#039;appointed&#039; branch.  Of all the ABMs I met during my time as a Baha&#039;i, there was only one who wasn&#039;t a complete asshole.  I am being completely serious.  No exaggeration.  After a while, it dawned on me that this should not be the case.  They are worse than clergy.  Looking back on it, I am shocked that I lasted so long.  And, there is no end in sight and no way to change it.  The crazy thing is, the people at the top think that this is the way it should be - God guided and all that.  I am convinced if the Faith lost 90% of its members through resignation, the people at the top would stay the course.  Nothing would change because they would think that this is just another test.  Sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no real consultation, not even at the local level.  So many things are taboo, so many topics are off limits, one might as well not speak at all.  And, if one does not sound like Shoghi Effendi, one is given the evil eye.  The leadership is truly horrible &#8211; particularly the &#039;appointed&#039; branch.  Of all the ABMs I met during my time as a Baha&#039;i, there was only one who wasn&#039;t a complete asshole.  I am being completely serious.  No exaggeration.  After a while, it dawned on me that this should not be the case.  They are worse than clergy.  Looking back on it, I am shocked that I lasted so long.  And, there is no end in sight and no way to change it.  The crazy thing is, the people at the top think that this is the way it should be &#8211; God guided and all that.  I am convinced if the Faith lost 90% of its members through resignation, the people at the top would stay the course.  Nothing would change because they would think that this is just another test.  Sad.</p>
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		<title>By: FreeBirdSoaring</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/la-class-newsletter-34-412.html/comment-page-1#comment-61637</link>
		<dc:creator>FreeBirdSoaring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow  Baquia you are really getting tech on this blog.  How amazing to read that letter from 1979 and see how much of it is true today.  I could not have spoken any better myself 30 years later.   

I stopped by some of my Bahà’í friends today, one on the LSA who openly admits to me he is inactive, it was an interesting convo. We have not seen each other in a few years and we used to see each other monthly for years, 15 to be exact. I recalled to him a conversation he had with me about 5 years ago when in a meeting with the LSA he asked me why I still was a Bahà’í after all the pain and insults I had taken from members being myself, the questioning bird I told him the people failed me but the writings never did and until they did I found something divine in them. We then disused a deceased friend of mine, I have mention him when he asked about why I un-enrolled verses just become inactive. I told him Shoghi Effedi gave me a loop whole when I could un-enroll when I no longer agreed with the Teachings and Institutions which is precisely where I am at. I told him I left before I would be kicked out for all the questions I have that no one wants to talk about. I mentioned the question, why did Shoghi Effendi declare his whole family CB’s, where was the mercy?

? Even though Remey went rouge what was not one Bahà’í at his funeral? Had he conformed to the general consensus and joined that party instead of split it could he not have gone down as one of the greatest servant of the Cause it it’s history outside of a family member?. It was so apparent I was upsetting them but with thier love and grace they listened and I left and sent the following email:

Friend, I hope I didn&#039;t offend you about my statements and my unconstrained opinions. As I shared I deeply miss my deceased friend Craig who was a soul I could ask any question to, discuss any subject, and he always gave me something to hold on to, and even more, he truly adored all of me, even the annoying bits and never once made me feel ashamed of being me. He could turn sadness into joy and irony into luck. He was an open hearted expert on the Bahà’í Faith and while he was alive he answered all of my questions or lead to the books where I could find the answers for myself. It is my hope that one day someday I will find his kindred spirit and it will be then that some of my &quot;unanswered questions&#039;, new to arise since his passing, will be lovingly and intellectually explained to me without the fear of repercussions to the depth of my unbounded inquiry. Wish me his luck!

Why did Shoghi Effendi declare his whole family CB’s?
Who died and made the UJH an infallible voice of God?
Who came up with the idea of creating the very division Baha’u’llah hoped to abolish by coining the phrase “Bahà’í”?
Who profits most in the BF, the AO or the people?
Why do I still yearn for resolve on a matter nearly one year ago I thought I had in un-enrolling?
Why do I still mourn?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow  Baquia you are really getting tech on this blog.  How amazing to read that letter from 1979 and see how much of it is true today.  I could not have spoken any better myself 30 years later.   </p>
<p>I stopped by some of my Bahà’í friends today, one on the LSA who openly admits to me he is inactive, it was an interesting convo. We have not seen each other in a few years and we used to see each other monthly for years, 15 to be exact. I recalled to him a conversation he had with me about 5 years ago when in a meeting with the LSA he asked me why I still was a Bahà’í after all the pain and insults I had taken from members being myself, the questioning bird I told him the people failed me but the writings never did and until they did I found something divine in them. We then disused a deceased friend of mine, I have mention him when he asked about why I un-enrolled verses just become inactive. I told him Shoghi Effedi gave me a loop whole when I could un-enroll when I no longer agreed with the Teachings and Institutions which is precisely where I am at. I told him I left before I would be kicked out for all the questions I have that no one wants to talk about. I mentioned the question, why did Shoghi Effendi declare his whole family CB’s, where was the mercy?</p>
<p>? Even though Remey went rouge what was not one Bahà’í at his funeral? Had he conformed to the general consensus and joined that party instead of split it could he not have gone down as one of the greatest servant of the Cause it it’s history outside of a family member?. It was so apparent I was upsetting them but with thier love and grace they listened and I left and sent the following email:</p>
<p>Friend, I hope I didn&#8217;t offend you about my statements and my unconstrained opinions. As I shared I deeply miss my deceased friend Craig who was a soul I could ask any question to, discuss any subject, and he always gave me something to hold on to, and even more, he truly adored all of me, even the annoying bits and never once made me feel ashamed of being me. He could turn sadness into joy and irony into luck. He was an open hearted expert on the Bahà’í Faith and while he was alive he answered all of my questions or lead to the books where I could find the answers for myself. It is my hope that one day someday I will find his kindred spirit and it will be then that some of my &#8220;unanswered questions&#8217;, new to arise since his passing, will be lovingly and intellectually explained to me without the fear of repercussions to the depth of my unbounded inquiry. Wish me his luck!</p>
<p>Why did Shoghi Effendi declare his whole family CB’s?<br />
Who died and made the UJH an infallible voice of God?<br />
Who came up with the idea of creating the very division Baha’u’llah hoped to abolish by coining the phrase “Bahà’í”?<br />
Who profits most in the BF, the AO or the people?<br />
Why do I still yearn for resolve on a matter nearly one year ago I thought I had in un-enrolling?<br />
Why do I still mourn?</p>
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		<title>By: FreeBirdSoaring</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/la-class-newsletter-34-412.html/comment-page-1#comment-81072</link>
		<dc:creator>FreeBirdSoaring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 12:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow  Baquia you are really getting tech on this blog.  How amazing to read that letter from 1979 and see how much of it is true today.  I could not have spoken any better myself 30 years later.   

I stopped by some of my Bahà’í friends today, one on the LSA who openly admits to me he is inactive, it was an interesting convo. We have not seen each other in a few years and we used to see each other monthly for years, 15 to be exact. I recalled to him a conversation he had with me about 5 years ago when in a meeting with the LSA he asked me why I still was a Bahà’í after all the pain and insults I had taken from members being myself, the questioning bird I told him the people failed me but the writings never did and until they did I found something divine in them. We then disused a deceased friend of mine, I have mention him when he asked about why I un-enrolled verses just become inactive. I told him Shoghi Effedi gave me a loop whole when I could un-enroll when I no longer agreed with the Teachings and Institutions which is precisely where I am at. I told him I left before I would be kicked out for all the questions I have that no one wants to talk about. I mentioned the question, why did Shoghi Effendi declare his whole family CB’s, where was the mercy?

? Even though Remey went rouge what was not one Bahà’í at his funeral? Had he conformed to the general consensus and joined that party instead of split it could he not have gone down as one of the greatest servant of the Cause it it’s history outside of a family member?. It was so apparent I was upsetting them but with thier love and grace they listened and I left and sent the following email:

Friend, I hope I didn&#039;t offend you about my statements and my unconstrained opinions. As I shared I deeply miss my deceased friend Craig who was a soul I could ask any question to, discuss any subject, and he always gave me something to hold on to, and even more, he truly adored all of me, even the annoying bits and never once made me feel ashamed of being me. He could turn sadness into joy and irony into luck. He was an open hearted expert on the Bahà’í Faith and while he was alive he answered all of my questions or lead to the books where I could find the answers for myself. It is my hope that one day someday I will find his kindred spirit and it will be then that some of my &quot;unanswered questions&#039;, new to arise since his passing, will be lovingly and intellectually explained to me without the fear of repercussions to the depth of my unbounded inquiry. Wish me his luck!

Why did Shoghi Effendi declare his whole family CB’s?
Who died and made the UJH an infallible voice of God?
Who came up with the idea of creating the very division Baha’u’llah hoped to abolish by coining the phrase “Bahà’í”?
Who profits most in the BF, the AO or the people?
Why do I still yearn for resolve on a matter nearly one year ago I thought I had in un-enrolling?
Why do I still mourn?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow  Baquia you are really getting tech on this blog.  How amazing to read that letter from 1979 and see how much of it is true today.  I could not have spoken any better myself 30 years later.   </p>
<p>I stopped by some of my Bahà’í friends today, one on the LSA who openly admits to me he is inactive, it was an interesting convo. We have not seen each other in a few years and we used to see each other monthly for years, 15 to be exact. I recalled to him a conversation he had with me about 5 years ago when in a meeting with the LSA he asked me why I still was a Bahà’í after all the pain and insults I had taken from members being myself, the questioning bird I told him the people failed me but the writings never did and until they did I found something divine in them. We then disused a deceased friend of mine, I have mention him when he asked about why I un-enrolled verses just become inactive. I told him Shoghi Effedi gave me a loop whole when I could un-enroll when I no longer agreed with the Teachings and Institutions which is precisely where I am at. I told him I left before I would be kicked out for all the questions I have that no one wants to talk about. I mentioned the question, why did Shoghi Effendi declare his whole family CB’s, where was the mercy?</p>
<p>? Even though Remey went rouge what was not one Bahà’í at his funeral? Had he conformed to the general consensus and joined that party instead of split it could he not have gone down as one of the greatest servant of the Cause it it’s history outside of a family member?. It was so apparent I was upsetting them but with thier love and grace they listened and I left and sent the following email:</p>
<p>Friend, I hope I didn&#8217;t offend you about my statements and my unconstrained opinions. As I shared I deeply miss my deceased friend Craig who was a soul I could ask any question to, discuss any subject, and he always gave me something to hold on to, and even more, he truly adored all of me, even the annoying bits and never once made me feel ashamed of being me. He could turn sadness into joy and irony into luck. He was an open hearted expert on the Bahà’í Faith and while he was alive he answered all of my questions or lead to the books where I could find the answers for myself. It is my hope that one day someday I will find his kindred spirit and it will be then that some of my &#8220;unanswered questions&#8217;, new to arise since his passing, will be lovingly and intellectually explained to me without the fear of repercussions to the depth of my unbounded inquiry. Wish me his luck!</p>
<p>Why did Shoghi Effendi declare his whole family CB’s?<br />
Who died and made the UJH an infallible voice of God?<br />
Who came up with the idea of creating the very division Baha’u’llah hoped to abolish by coining the phrase “Bahà’í”?<br />
Who profits most in the BF, the AO or the people?<br />
Why do I still yearn for resolve on a matter nearly one year ago I thought I had in un-enrolling?<br />
Why do I still mourn?</p>
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		<title>By: Baquia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baquia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 05:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keats, what exactly did you get &quot;sick and tired of&quot;? Since you&#039;ve been a Baha&#039;i so long, what are your thoughts about where the Baha&#039;i Faith is headed? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keats, what exactly did you get &quot;sick and tired of&quot;? Since you&#039;ve been a Baha&#039;i so long, what are your thoughts about where the Baha&#039;i Faith is headed?</p>
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