Comments on: Marginality and Apostasy in the Baha’i Community http://bahairants.com/marginality-and-apostasy-in-the-baha%e2%80%99i-community-110.html A personal Baha'i blog. Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:12:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Susan http://bahairants.com/marginality-and-apostasy-in-the-baha%e2%80%99i-community-110.html#comment-47773 Susan Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:56:06 +0000 http://bahairants.com/marginality-and-apostasy-in-the-baha%e2%80%99i-community-110.html#comment-47773 Sonja, Where did you get that idea? No, I had no contact with the Canadian NSA regarding Brendan's status whatsoever. The only time I have contacted the NSA of Canada has been to complain about the ABS. Susan Sonja,

Where did you get that idea? No, I had no contact with the Canadian NSA regarding Brendan’s status whatsoever. The only time I have contacted the NSA of Canada has been to complain about the ABS.

Susan

]]> By: sonja http://bahairants.com/marginality-and-apostasy-in-the-baha%e2%80%99i-community-110.html#comment-47771 sonja Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:34:20 +0000 http://bahairants.com/marginality-and-apostasy-in-the-baha%e2%80%99i-community-110.html#comment-47771 Susan, for the record, can you confirm that you wrote to Brendan's NSA inquiring about his enrollment which led to them finding that his local community hadn't correctly enrolled him when he was a youth. Susan, for the record, can you confirm that you wrote to Brendan’s NSA inquiring about his enrollment which led to them finding that his local community hadn’t correctly enrolled him when he was a youth.

]]> By: Susan Maneck http://bahairants.com/marginality-and-apostasy-in-the-baha%e2%80%99i-community-110.html#comment-47658 Susan Maneck Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:52:17 +0000 http://bahairants.com/marginality-and-apostasy-in-the-baha%e2%80%99i-community-110.html#comment-47658 For the record, I never called Brendan Cook a 'marginal Baha'i.' That wouldn't make any sense. He was never enrolled in the first place. For the record, I never called Brendan Cook a ‘marginal Baha’i.’ That wouldn’t make any sense. He was never enrolled in the first place.

]]> By: ep http://bahairants.com/marginality-and-apostasy-in-the-baha%e2%80%99i-community-110.html#comment-43239 ep Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:35:49 +0000 http://bahairants.com/marginality-and-apostasy-in-the-baha%e2%80%99i-community-110.html#comment-43239 peyam, in case you aren't depressed enough, I must say that the absolutists and fascists in bahai culture, on both left and right, will inevitably get even worse. that is because the world is getting worse in the same way, and bahai culture ALWAYS follows the psychosocial trends of the rest of society. (despite all the ridiculous yammering to the contrary within bahai culture) M&M&co. are delusional because the world has left their youthful utopias behind, and they are bitter, and are regressing their paradigms. sorry to be bleak. there is plenty of stuff in the world that is much more interesting to read than the current dismal bahai scholarship and the dismal scriptural metaphysics it rests on. hoda hafez Eric P. (exbahai) Sacramento peyam,

in case you aren’t depressed enough, I must say that the absolutists and fascists in bahai culture, on both left and right, will inevitably get even worse.

that is because the world is getting worse in the same way, and bahai culture ALWAYS follows the psychosocial trends of the rest of society. (despite all the ridiculous yammering to the contrary within bahai culture)

M&M&co. are delusional because the world has left their youthful utopias behind, and they are bitter, and are regressing their paradigms. sorry to be bleak.

there is plenty of stuff in the world that is much more interesting to read than the current dismal bahai scholarship and the dismal scriptural metaphysics it rests on.

hoda hafez

Eric P.
(exbahai)
Sacramento

]]> By: ep http://bahairants.com/marginality-and-apostasy-in-the-baha%e2%80%99i-community-110.html#comment-43238 ep Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:17:06 +0000 http://bahairants.com/marginality-and-apostasy-in-the-baha%e2%80%99i-community-110.html#comment-43238 Hi Sonja, Thanks for the response, it is always a great pleasure to see something new online from you or Sen. I bought a couple of Sen's church-state books and gave them to interested parties a few years ago. As you may know, I'm exbahai now, thank gawd. With all due respect, attempting to make bahai theology "modernist" or "postmodernist" is futile, there is just too much confused junk in it that supports fundies and thought police. basic question: have you or Sen ever considered that postmodernism isn't all that great? I really appreciate all the hard work y'all have done on attempting to grok some celestial alignment of a few bits of bahai theology with pluralism and nurturing earth goddess stuff, but postmodernism isn't exactly without its critics, e.g., Ken Wilber's "Boomeritis". Jean Gebser's integral theory predicts that postmodernism will go bad fast, which it has, at least in the USA (paradigm regression). I hate to say it, but I think y'all are living in an academic bubble within a european cultural bubble. I would love to see Sen finish up on the postmodernism stuff and move on to integralism. Regards, Eric P. (formerly of talisman/irfan/etc.) Sacramento Hi Sonja,

Thanks for the response, it is always a great pleasure to see something new online from you or Sen. I bought a couple of Sen’s church-state books and gave them to interested parties a few years ago.

As you may know, I’m exbahai now, thank gawd.

With all due respect, attempting to make bahai theology “modernist” or “postmodernist” is futile, there is just too much confused junk in it that supports fundies and thought police.

basic question: have you or Sen ever considered that postmodernism isn’t all that great?

I really appreciate all the hard work y’all have done on attempting to grok some celestial alignment of a few bits of bahai theology with pluralism and nurturing earth goddess stuff, but postmodernism isn’t exactly without its critics, e.g., Ken Wilber’s “Boomeritis”.

Jean Gebser’s integral theory predicts that postmodernism will go bad fast, which it has, at least in the USA (paradigm regression).

I hate to say it, but I think y’all are living in an academic bubble within a european cultural bubble.

I would love to see Sen finish up on the postmodernism stuff and move on to integralism.

Regards,
Eric P.
(formerly of talisman/irfan/etc.)
Sacramento

]]> By: peyamb http://bahairants.com/marginality-and-apostasy-in-the-baha%e2%80%99i-community-110.html#comment-40914 peyamb Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:41:09 +0000 http://bahairants.com/marginality-and-apostasy-in-the-baha%e2%80%99i-community-110.html#comment-40914 What's sad is something like Momen's paper enboldens the "core" group in their desire to oust those that hold the same beliefs. I've encountered these type of Bahais on the YouTube debates over homosexuality. Att least two "core" Bahais there have said to me that I can call myself and admirer of the Faith, but don't call yourself a Bahai. And another one who said I can do whatever I want, but to stop calling myself Bahai, because I wasn't one. Of course he is a confused 21 year old who is clinging to some kind of absolutist truth to give him order in life. Hopefully he'll grow out of his cultist mentality and not remain the type of Bahai that Momen wants in the community. What’s sad is something like Momen’s paper enboldens the “core” group in their desire to oust those that hold the same beliefs. I’ve encountered these type of Bahais on the YouTube debates over homosexuality. Att least two “core” Bahais there have said to me that I can call myself and admirer of the Faith, but don’t call yourself a Bahai. And another one who said I can do whatever I want, but to stop calling myself Bahai, because I wasn’t one. Of course he is a confused 21 year old who is clinging to some kind of absolutist truth to give him order in life. Hopefully he’ll grow out of his cultist mentality and not remain the type of Bahai that Momen wants in the community.

]]> By: Baha’i Belief Advisory System http://bahairants.com/marginality-and-apostasy-in-the-baha%e2%80%99i-community-110.html#comment-40789 Baha’i Belief Advisory System Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:16:30 +0000 http://bahairants.com/marginality-and-apostasy-in-the-baha%e2%80%99i-community-110.html#comment-40789 [...] by Moojan Momen’s recent paper (and the United States Homeland Security), I’ve drawn up an easy to use chart which should [...] […] by Moojan Momen’s recent paper (and the United States Homeland Security), I’ve drawn up an easy to use chart which should […]

]]> By: Alison Marshall http://bahairants.com/marginality-and-apostasy-in-the-baha%e2%80%99i-community-110.html#comment-40665 Alison Marshall Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:04:42 +0000 http://bahairants.com/marginality-and-apostasy-in-the-baha%e2%80%99i-community-110.html#comment-40665 Dear Baquia, I love the new voice. I think it's a real wonder and a bounty for us all. I look forward to hearing more from it. blessings Alison Dear Baquia,

I love the new voice. I think it’s a real wonder and a bounty for us all. I look forward to hearing more from it.

blessings

Alison

]]> By: Reflections on 3 Years of Blogging http://bahairants.com/marginality-and-apostasy-in-the-baha%e2%80%99i-community-110.html#comment-40552 Reflections on 3 Years of Blogging Fri, 11 Jan 2008 03:20:37 +0000 http://bahairants.com/marginality-and-apostasy-in-the-baha%e2%80%99i-community-110.html#comment-40552 [...] Rants A personal Baha’i blog. « LA Class Newsletter [#32] Marginality and Apostasy in the Baha’i Community [...] […] Rants A personal Baha’i blog. « LA Class Newsletter [#32] Marginality and Apostasy in the Baha’i Community […]

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