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		<title>By: ep</title>
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		<description>Here are a historian&#039;s lecture notes, includes comments on the relationship between the catholic church and fascism/nazism:

http://mars.wnec.edu/~grempel/courses/world/lectures/fascism.html

excerpts:

&#124; Communism is an international doctrine which has gradually been
&#124; adjusted to differing natinal circumstances. Fascism is the exact
&#124; opposite: it is a series of non-intellectual, even 
&#124; anti-intellectual national reactions artificially united and
&#124; transformed into an international doctrine by the facts of power.
&#124; The history of fascism, as an ideology, is largely the history of
&#124; this transformation.
 . . .

&#124; The liberal breakthrough of the mid-nineteenth century generated
&#124; the intellectual raw material of fascism. Liberalism was largely
&#124; the work of the educated middle classes.
 . . .

&#124; The liberal breakthrough of the mid-nineteenth century generated
&#124; the intellectual raw material of fascism. Liberalism was largely
&#124; the work of the educated middle classes.

&#124; The old elites of Europe (aristocracy, landlords, churches) nursed
&#124; their wounds and meditated revenge ont he upstart bourgeoisie.
 . . .

&#124; Lord Acton predicted that the organic structure of society would
&#124; become impatient with continuous laissez faire. Jacob Burckhardt
&#124; believed that the liberal, democratic juggernaut was leading to
&#124; disaster and would in the end be overtaken by very illiberal,
&#124; undemocratic drivers who alone would be able to steer it. And
&#124; these new masters, unlike the old ruling dynasties, would be
&#124; Gewaltmenschen, terrible simplifiers who would &quot;rule with utter
&#124; brutality.&quot; 
 . . .

&#124; From 1917 to 1923 the Russian Communists preached not socialism in
&#124; one country but world revolution. This was the catalytic force
&#124; which gathered up the intellectual debris of the Gobineaus and the
&#124; Gongenots and rearranged it in a new, dynamic pattern. Faced by
&#124; the terrible threat of bolshevism, the European middle classes,
&#124; recently so confident, took fright.
&#124;
&#124; So, fascism as an effective movement was born of fear.
 . . .

&#124; Each stage in the rise of European fascism can be related to a
&#124; moment of middle-class panic caused either by economic crisis or
&#124; by its consequences, the threat of socialist revolution.
 . . .

&#124; Historically fascism was essentially nationalist. Structurally it
&#124; was always something of a coalition. 
&#124; ... Behind the vague term fscism there lie in fact two distinct
&#124; social and political systems. These are both ideologically based,
&#124; authoritarian, and anti-parliamentary liberalism. 
&#124; ... These two systems can be described as 
&#124; 
&#124; [***] clerical conservatism and
&#124;
&#124; [***] dynamic fascism. 
&#124; 
&#124; Every fascist movement was compounded of
&#124; these two elements in varying proportions ...
 . . .

&#124; In the highly industrialized countries the middle class was not
&#124; only the effective ruling class but had also absorbed large
&#124; sections of the other classes. In these countries the landed
&#124; classes were turned into tributaries of the middle class. The
&#124; middle class in industrialized countries also drew to itself,
&#124; largely out oft he working class, a large &quot;lower middle class&quot;
&#124; (artisans, shopkeepers, petty civil servants, skilled workers).
 . . .

&#124; The lower middle class, in fact, provided the social force
&#124; of &quot;dynamic fascism&quot;.
&#124;
&#124; The 1890s were the incubatory period of fascism. There were at
&#124; least three prominant philosophers who became the teachers of this
&#124; new generation of fascists. The ideas of these teachers were, of
&#124; course, frequently grossly perverted by their pupils:
&#124;
&#124; 1. Georges Sorel: illusions of progress; necessity of violence;
&#124; utility of myth
&#124;
&#124; 2. Vilfredo Pareto: the iron law of oligarchy; perpetuation of the
&#124; elite
&#124;
&#124; 3. Friedrich Nietzsche: idea of the superman as a law unto himself
&#124;
&#124; Thus fascism proper, what we can call dynamic fascism, was a cult
&#124; of force, contemptuous of religious and traditional ideas, the
&#124; self-association of an inflamed lower middle class in a weakened
&#124; industrial society. This is radically different from ideological
&#124; conservatism, the traditional clerical conservatism of the older
&#124; regime, now modified and brought up to date fort he 20th century.
&#124; both are authoritarian and both are hierarchical, but that is
&#124; were the similarity stops.
&#124;
&#124; The differences were, however, confused by their common front
&#124; against communism in the 1920s and sometimes the confusion was
&#124; deliberately designed by the fascists themselves. For instance:
&#124; Hitler, the fascist, posed as a conservative to get power. General
&#124; Franco, the conservative, posed as a fascist to get power.
&#124;
&#124; This confusion was exploited by the dictators Hitler and
&#124; Mussolini: in each case the Catholic Church played a significant
&#124; and positive role. it did so because with the conservative classes
&#124; generally it supposed that dynamic fascism could be used as the
&#124; instrument of clerical conservatism. In each case the calculation
&#124; proved to be wrong. The Church by its opportunism gave itself not
&#124; a tool but a master.
 . . .

&#124; It was the conservative patrons and their ideas who were
&#124; discarded, the vulgar demagogues that survived.
&#124;
&#124; This happened because neither Hitler or Mussolini were interested
&#124; in being conservative rulers. Both were revolutionaries who
&#124; relished the possibility of radical power. In both Italy and
&#124; Germany the fascist dictators saw a basis for that power - the
&#124; lower middle calss made radical by social fear. Themselves
&#124; familiar with this class, its aspirations and fears, they believed
&#124; that they culd mobilize it as a dynamic force int he state and
&#124; therby realize ambitions unattainable by mere conservative support
 . . .

&#124; Little by little the conservative classes who had brought the
&#124; fascist dictators to power found themselves the prisoners of that
&#124; power. They were imprisoned because that power, in a highly
&#124; industrialized society, had another, and wider base.
&#124;
&#124; Thus the dynamism of fascism depends directly ont he existrence of
&#124; a strong industrial middle class and ont he malaise of that class.
&#124; Germany was more highly industrialized than italy and it was in
&#124; Germany that the fascist dictatorship was most complete. In Spain
&#124; there was no social basis for fascism. 
 . . .

&#124; Western New England College
&#124; All pages © 1998 Gerhard Rempel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are a historian&#8217;s lecture notes, includes comments on the relationship between the catholic church and fascism/nazism:</p>
<p><a href="http://mars.wnec.edu/~grempel/courses/world/lectures/fascism.html" rel="nofollow">http://mars.wnec.edu/~grempel/courses/world/lectures/fascism.html</a></p>
<p>excerpts:</p>
<p>| Communism is an international doctrine which has gradually been<br />
| adjusted to differing natinal circumstances. Fascism is the exact<br />
| opposite: it is a series of non-intellectual, even<br />
| anti-intellectual national reactions artificially united and<br />
| transformed into an international doctrine by the facts of power.<br />
| The history of fascism, as an ideology, is largely the history of<br />
| this transformation.<br />
 . . .</p>
<p>| The liberal breakthrough of the mid-nineteenth century generated<br />
| the intellectual raw material of fascism. Liberalism was largely<br />
| the work of the educated middle classes.<br />
 . . .</p>
<p>| The liberal breakthrough of the mid-nineteenth century generated<br />
| the intellectual raw material of fascism. Liberalism was largely<br />
| the work of the educated middle classes.</p>
<p>| The old elites of Europe (aristocracy, landlords, churches) nursed<br />
| their wounds and meditated revenge ont he upstart bourgeoisie.<br />
 . . .</p>
<p>| Lord Acton predicted that the organic structure of society would<br />
| become impatient with continuous laissez faire. Jacob Burckhardt<br />
| believed that the liberal, democratic juggernaut was leading to<br />
| disaster and would in the end be overtaken by very illiberal,<br />
| undemocratic drivers who alone would be able to steer it. And<br />
| these new masters, unlike the old ruling dynasties, would be<br />
| Gewaltmenschen, terrible simplifiers who would &#8220;rule with utter<br />
| brutality.&#8221;<br />
 . . .</p>
<p>| From 1917 to 1923 the Russian Communists preached not socialism in<br />
| one country but world revolution. This was the catalytic force<br />
| which gathered up the intellectual debris of the Gobineaus and the<br />
| Gongenots and rearranged it in a new, dynamic pattern. Faced by<br />
| the terrible threat of bolshevism, the European middle classes,<br />
| recently so confident, took fright.<br />
|<br />
| So, fascism as an effective movement was born of fear.<br />
 . . .</p>
<p>| Each stage in the rise of European fascism can be related to a<br />
| moment of middle-class panic caused either by economic crisis or<br />
| by its consequences, the threat of socialist revolution.<br />
 . . .</p>
<p>| Historically fascism was essentially nationalist. Structurally it<br />
| was always something of a coalition.<br />
| &#8230; Behind the vague term fscism there lie in fact two distinct<br />
| social and political systems. These are both ideologically based,<br />
| authoritarian, and anti-parliamentary liberalism.<br />
| &#8230; These two systems can be described as<br />
|<br />
| [***] clerical conservatism and<br />
|<br />
| [***] dynamic fascism.<br />
|<br />
| Every fascist movement was compounded of<br />
| these two elements in varying proportions &#8230;<br />
 . . .</p>
<p>| In the highly industrialized countries the middle class was not<br />
| only the effective ruling class but had also absorbed large<br />
| sections of the other classes. In these countries the landed<br />
| classes were turned into tributaries of the middle class. The<br />
| middle class in industrialized countries also drew to itself,<br />
| largely out oft he working class, a large &#8220;lower middle class&#8221;<br />
| (artisans, shopkeepers, petty civil servants, skilled workers).<br />
 . . .</p>
<p>| The lower middle class, in fact, provided the social force<br />
| of &#8220;dynamic fascism&#8221;.<br />
|<br />
| The 1890s were the incubatory period of fascism. There were at<br />
| least three prominant philosophers who became the teachers of this<br />
| new generation of fascists. The ideas of these teachers were, of<br />
| course, frequently grossly perverted by their pupils:<br />
|<br />
| 1. Georges Sorel: illusions of progress; necessity of violence;<br />
| utility of myth<br />
|<br />
| 2. Vilfredo Pareto: the iron law of oligarchy; perpetuation of the<br />
| elite<br />
|<br />
| 3. Friedrich Nietzsche: idea of the superman as a law unto himself<br />
|<br />
| Thus fascism proper, what we can call dynamic fascism, was a cult<br />
| of force, contemptuous of religious and traditional ideas, the<br />
| self-association of an inflamed lower middle class in a weakened<br />
| industrial society. This is radically different from ideological<br />
| conservatism, the traditional clerical conservatism of the older<br />
| regime, now modified and brought up to date fort he 20th century.<br />
| both are authoritarian and both are hierarchical, but that is<br />
| were the similarity stops.<br />
|<br />
| The differences were, however, confused by their common front<br />
| against communism in the 1920s and sometimes the confusion was<br />
| deliberately designed by the fascists themselves. For instance:<br />
| Hitler, the fascist, posed as a conservative to get power. General<br />
| Franco, the conservative, posed as a fascist to get power.<br />
|<br />
| This confusion was exploited by the dictators Hitler and<br />
| Mussolini: in each case the Catholic Church played a significant<br />
| and positive role. it did so because with the conservative classes<br />
| generally it supposed that dynamic fascism could be used as the<br />
| instrument of clerical conservatism. In each case the calculation<br />
| proved to be wrong. The Church by its opportunism gave itself not<br />
| a tool but a master.<br />
 . . .</p>
<p>| It was the conservative patrons and their ideas who were<br />
| discarded, the vulgar demagogues that survived.<br />
|<br />
| This happened because neither Hitler or Mussolini were interested<br />
| in being conservative rulers. Both were revolutionaries who<br />
| relished the possibility of radical power. In both Italy and<br />
| Germany the fascist dictators saw a basis for that power &#8211; the<br />
| lower middle calss made radical by social fear. Themselves<br />
| familiar with this class, its aspirations and fears, they believed<br />
| that they culd mobilize it as a dynamic force int he state and<br />
| therby realize ambitions unattainable by mere conservative support<br />
 . . .</p>
<p>| Little by little the conservative classes who had brought the<br />
| fascist dictators to power found themselves the prisoners of that<br />
| power. They were imprisoned because that power, in a highly<br />
| industrialized society, had another, and wider base.<br />
|<br />
| Thus the dynamism of fascism depends directly ont he existrence of<br />
| a strong industrial middle class and ont he malaise of that class.<br />
| Germany was more highly industrialized than italy and it was in<br />
| Germany that the fascist dictatorship was most complete. In Spain<br />
| there was no social basis for fascism.<br />
 . . .</p>
<p>| Western New England College<br />
| All pages © 1998 Gerhard Rempel.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Marshall</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/merry-christmas-to-one-and-all-571.html/comment-page-1#comment-60460</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 22:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the two-handed salute. He used to do much the same thing as a young lad -- except he had a frozen shoulder, and could only raise his &lt;a href=&quot;http://images.quickblogcast.com/23662-22547/ratzinger_nazi.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;right arm&lt;/a&gt;. &lt;a href=&quot;http://conspiracynews.net/2008/04/16/nazi-pope-arrives-in-usa-for-pagan-black-mass-on-hitlers-birthday.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;More here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the two-handed salute. He used to do much the same thing as a young lad &#8212; except he had a frozen shoulder, and could only raise his <a href="http://images.quickblogcast.com/23662-22547/ratzinger_nazi.jpg" rel="nofollow">right arm</a>. <a href="http://conspiracynews.net/2008/04/16/nazi-pope-arrives-in-usa-for-pagan-black-mass-on-hitlers-birthday.aspx" rel="nofollow">More here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: P</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/merry-christmas-to-one-and-all-571.html/comment-page-1#comment-60449</link>
		<dc:creator>P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 18:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ummm, how much gold is on that seat from which he&#039;s making his announcement? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummm, how much gold is on that seat from which he&#8217;s making his announcement? <img src='http://bahairants.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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