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	<title>Comments on: National Spiritual Assembly (United States) Letter - April 8, 2007</title>
	<link>http://bahairants.com/national-spiritual-assembly-united-states-letter-april-8-2007-299.html</link>
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		<title>By: US NSA Annual Report - Ridvan 2007</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/national-spiritual-assembly-united-states-letter-april-8-2007-299.html#comment-32655</link>
		<dc:creator>US NSA Annual Report - Ridvan 2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 21:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Spiritual Assembly may not be as asleep at the wheel as it seems. Or perhaps not all members are snoozing. Or perhaps the full frontal assault of reality on their senses is simply too much for even them to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Spiritual Assembly may not be as asleep at the wheel as it seems. Or perhaps not all members are snoozing. Or perhaps the full frontal assault of reality on their senses is simply too much for even them to [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Bahai Administration: Universal House of Justice &#38; International Teaching Center</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/national-spiritual-assembly-united-states-letter-april-8-2007-299.html#comment-32556</link>
		<dc:creator>Bahai Administration: Universal House of Justice &#38; International Teaching Center</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 15:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] great example of this happened just recently. You remember the surprisingly frank admission of the National Spiritual Assembly of the United States&#8217;, right? Well, it would seem that that did not sit right with the House [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] great example of this happened just recently. You remember the surprisingly frank admission of the National Spiritual Assembly of the United States&#8217;, right? Well, it would seem that that did not sit right with the House [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Baquia</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/national-spiritual-assembly-united-states-letter-april-8-2007-299.html#comment-32401</link>
		<dc:creator>Baquia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 04:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill, I throw no stones at the Baha'i community. How preposterous! I love my Faith and our community.

If I may be seen to be 'throwing stones' it is at idiocy, corruption, group-think and injustice. If I may seem to be 'deriding' anything it is those things which are worthy of contempt and derision by every Baha'i.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, I throw no stones at the Baha&#8217;i community. How preposterous! I love my Faith and our community.</p>
<p>If I may be seen to be &#8216;throwing stones&#8217; it is at idiocy, corruption, group-think and injustice. If I may seem to be &#8216;deriding&#8217; anything it is those things which are worthy of contempt and derision by every Baha&#8217;i.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/national-spiritual-assembly-united-states-letter-april-8-2007-299.html#comment-32400</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 03:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will the Baha'i community grow faster if it embraces the stones you throw and your derision?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will the Baha&#8217;i community grow faster if it embraces the stones you throw and your derision?</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Parke</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/national-spiritual-assembly-united-states-letter-april-8-2007-299.html#comment-32356</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Parke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bahairants.com/national-spiritual-assembly-united-states-letter-april-8-2007-299.html#comment-32356</guid>
		<description>What has happened in the Baha'i Faith is truly fascinating. I think in the future there will be many books written about it. The psychological needs of a very tiny professional lifetime incumbent cadre class very firmly entrenched at the top who have subconsciously gamed the electoral processes of the Faith has single handedly killed all individual initiative at the grass roots level everywhere in the world. 

The only sanctioned  way to teach the Faith now is exclusively through a system of very poorly written idolatrous comic books originally devised to teach the Faith in a socially impoverished failed narco state full of human beings dumber than a bag of depleted uranium hammers. That something like this could ever happen is really quite astonishing.

It is as radical as the Neocon hijacking of the government of the United States by gaming the electoral process there also.

The only thing that could save the Faith now is legislating strictly enforced term limits at evey level starting with the UHJ's and NSA's. That happening would require extraordinary courage and leadership at the top to even recognize the gravity of the situation. There is very little courage and certainly no leadershoip whatsoever in the Baha'i Faith now. There is only completely lockstep groupthink in a kind of spiritual communism where every believer is asked to check their individual spirituality, individual insight, and certainly their individual intuition in life at the door.  So no kind of change is going to happen.  Not even if everything is completely and totally run into the ground. No one will say the Emperor has no clothes and it will just go on an on to constant financial crisis and then eventual stunning and profound collapse.

This state of affairs is why over seven people I have known totaling over 210 years of service have left the Faith in the last few years. Completely dedicated long time Baha'is who served on LSA's, DTC's,  were dedicated pioneers, and on NSA's in various countries around the world at one time or another who are now gone in total disgust. Enough is enough. The psychological and emotional abuse of the rank and file in the Baha'i Faith has reached the breaking point. The Faith belongs to the individual believers NOT to the think tank people at the top. It is not that Judgment Day is coming. Judgment Day IS here.

There is a good line in the fine film "BOYS 'N THE HOOD".

"NEVER GIVE YOUR RESPECT TO PEOPLE WHO DO NOT RESPECT YOU."

Alot of people are now coming to that principle of life.

The people currently at the top of the Baha'i Faith will never figure anything out nor will they ever have the will to act. So the free fall of the Baha'i Faith will continue without any effort whatsoever to come to grips with anything.

So it goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What has happened in the Baha&#8217;i Faith is truly fascinating. I think in the future there will be many books written about it. The psychological needs of a very tiny professional lifetime incumbent cadre class very firmly entrenched at the top who have subconsciously gamed the electoral processes of the Faith has single handedly killed all individual initiative at the grass roots level everywhere in the world. </p>
<p>The only sanctioned  way to teach the Faith now is exclusively through a system of very poorly written idolatrous comic books originally devised to teach the Faith in a socially impoverished failed narco state full of human beings dumber than a bag of depleted uranium hammers. That something like this could ever happen is really quite astonishing.</p>
<p>It is as radical as the Neocon hijacking of the government of the United States by gaming the electoral process there also.</p>
<p>The only thing that could save the Faith now is legislating strictly enforced term limits at evey level starting with the UHJ&#8217;s and NSA&#8217;s. That happening would require extraordinary courage and leadership at the top to even recognize the gravity of the situation. There is very little courage and certainly no leadershoip whatsoever in the Baha&#8217;i Faith now. There is only completely lockstep groupthink in a kind of spiritual communism where every believer is asked to check their individual spirituality, individual insight, and certainly their individual intuition in life at the door.  So no kind of change is going to happen.  Not even if everything is completely and totally run into the ground. No one will say the Emperor has no clothes and it will just go on an on to constant financial crisis and then eventual stunning and profound collapse.</p>
<p>This state of affairs is why over seven people I have known totaling over 210 years of service have left the Faith in the last few years. Completely dedicated long time Baha&#8217;is who served on LSA&#8217;s, DTC&#8217;s,  were dedicated pioneers, and on NSA&#8217;s in various countries around the world at one time or another who are now gone in total disgust. Enough is enough. The psychological and emotional abuse of the rank and file in the Baha&#8217;i Faith has reached the breaking point. The Faith belongs to the individual believers NOT to the think tank people at the top. It is not that Judgment Day is coming. Judgment Day IS here.</p>
<p>There is a good line in the fine film &#8220;BOYS &#8216;N THE HOOD&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;NEVER GIVE YOUR RESPECT TO PEOPLE WHO DO NOT RESPECT YOU.&#8221;</p>
<p>Alot of people are now coming to that principle of life.</p>
<p>The people currently at the top of the Baha&#8217;i Faith will never figure anything out nor will they ever have the will to act. So the free fall of the Baha&#8217;i Faith will continue without any effort whatsoever to come to grips with anything.</p>
<p>So it goes.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Marshall</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/national-spiritual-assembly-united-states-letter-april-8-2007-299.html#comment-32354</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baquia wrote:&lt;blockquote&gt;When will the group think end? when will they pull their head out of the sand and realize that what they’ve been doing simply is… not… working.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Oh Baquia, there you go again, using crude measures like results rather than focusing on the quality of the plan. Other bloggers don't make the same mistake:&lt;blockquote&gt;We can now witness the amazing flexibility of the global Baha’i community, as it has accepted, within a short time period, the Institute Process as its primary activity. Not only have its institutions fully embraced, but its individual adherents and their communities are now focusing their energies on this plan. Intelligence is distributed across the globe as each community makes its ownexperiences, of which the learning is shared with the world-wide community. A simple example of this is the development of the Ruhi Institute in Columbia that has now been accepted by every local community across the globe.
&lt;a href="http://neysn.wordpress.com/2007/04/13/a-hybrid-of-starfish-and-spiders-what-toyota-and-the-bahai-administration-have-in-common/" Title="A Hybrid of Starfish and Spiders" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Brendan wrote:&lt;blockquote&gt;There may very well be a situation in the United States much like there is in New Zealand, where relative to the population as a whole the number of those enrolled in the Faith actually shrinks.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Hi Brendan. I expect you're right, but the only useful data I have is from the census, and that data is for self-declared religious affiliation, rather than for enrollments. The self-declared Baha'is in NZ are not only declining as a proportion of the population, they have been declining in absolute numbers as well:

Year - Number
1991 - 2,865
1996 - 3,111
2001 - 2,988
2006 - 2,772

I get the NZ Baha'i newsletter. Every month there are from 1 to 8 new enrollments, and births seem to keep pace with deaths. What isn't mentioned is the numbers of adults and youth in the 'gone-no-address' or 'inactive' files, who presumably are still counted as enrolled, but who have drifted away from the community. Many of them may still self-identify as Baha'is, but that's where the drop in number is coming from, I think.

White Hanky wrote:&lt;blockquote&gt;She was told to ‘tell him to come back later, as they were very busy trying to figure out how to attract more people to the Faith.’&lt;/blockquote&gt;In the early 80s I was on a national committee that co-ordinated children's camps. We asked a community to host a camp and it said it couldn't because it wanted to carry out a big teaching event for the same period. It hadn't decided what that event was, and was waiting for inspiration. We thanked the community and looked elsewhere for help at that point. If the community couldn't figure out that children's camp might be its "big teaching event", then there was no point in pushing the issue. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baquia wrote:</p>
<blockquote cite="http://bahairants.com/national-spiritual-assembly-united-states-letter-april-8-2007-299.html#comment-"><p>When will the group think end? when will they pull their head out of the sand and realize that what they’ve been doing simply is… not… working.</p>
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<p>Oh Baquia, there you go again, using crude measures like results rather than focusing on the quality of the plan. Other bloggers don&#8217;t make the same mistake:</p>
<blockquote cite="http://bahairants.com/national-spiritual-assembly-united-states-letter-april-8-2007-299.html#comment-"><p>We can now witness the amazing flexibility of the global Baha’i community, as it has accepted, within a short time period, the Institute Process as its primary activity. Not only have its institutions fully embraced, but its individual adherents and their communities are now focusing their energies on this plan. Intelligence is distributed across the globe as each community makes its ownexperiences, of which the learning is shared with the world-wide community. A simple example of this is the development of the Ruhi Institute in Columbia that has now been accepted by every local community across the globe.<br />
<a href="http://neysn.wordpress.com/2007/04/13/a-hybrid-of-starfish-and-spiders-what-toyota-and-the-bahai-administration-have-in-common/" Title="A Hybrid of Starfish and Spiders" rel="nofollow"></a></p>
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<p>Brendan wrote:</p>
<blockquote cite="http://bahairants.com/national-spiritual-assembly-united-states-letter-april-8-2007-299.html#comment-"><p>There may very well be a situation in the United States much like there is in New Zealand, where relative to the population as a whole the number of those enrolled in the Faith actually shrinks.</p>
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<p>Hi Brendan. I expect you&#8217;re right, but the only useful data I have is from the census, and that data is for self-declared religious affiliation, rather than for enrollments. The self-declared Baha&#8217;is in NZ are not only declining as a proportion of the population, they have been declining in absolute numbers as well:</p>
<p>Year - Number<br />
1991 - 2,865<br />
1996 - 3,111<br />
2001 - 2,988<br />
2006 - 2,772</p>
<p>I get the NZ Baha&#8217;i newsletter. Every month there are from 1 to 8 new enrollments, and births seem to keep pace with deaths. What isn&#8217;t mentioned is the numbers of adults and youth in the &#8216;gone-no-address&#8217; or &#8216;inactive&#8217; files, who presumably are still counted as enrolled, but who have drifted away from the community. Many of them may still self-identify as Baha&#8217;is, but that&#8217;s where the drop in number is coming from, I think.</p>
<p>White Hanky wrote:</p>
<blockquote cite="http://bahairants.com/national-spiritual-assembly-united-states-letter-april-8-2007-299.html#comment-"><p>She was told to ‘tell him to come back later, as they were very busy trying to figure out how to attract more people to the Faith.’</p>
</blockquote>
<p>In the early 80s I was on a national committee that co-ordinated children&#8217;s camps. We asked a community to host a camp and it said it couldn&#8217;t because it wanted to carry out a big teaching event for the same period. It hadn&#8217;t decided what that event was, and was waiting for inspiration. We thanked the community and looked elsewhere for help at that point. If the community couldn&#8217;t figure out that children&#8217;s camp might be its &#8220;big teaching event&#8221;, then there was no point in pushing the issue. <img src='http://bahairants.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: White Hanky</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/national-spiritual-assembly-united-states-letter-april-8-2007-299.html#comment-32349</link>
		<dc:creator>White Hanky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 23:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O my!  Baquia, your photo is so (old term here) RIGHT ON!
It brings to mind one of the anecdotal stories about a European NSA  having an 'emergency' meeting over the lack of respondents to their latest Teaching Plan. Their receptionist came bustling in, apologizing for the interruption to tell them that 'there was a young man who had literally come in off the street and was wanting to know about the Faith.' She was told to 'tell him to come back later, as they were very busy trying to figure out how to attract more people to the Faith.'
WH</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O my!  Baquia, your photo is so (old term here) RIGHT ON!<br />
It brings to mind one of the anecdotal stories about a European NSA  having an &#8216;emergency&#8217; meeting over the lack of respondents to their latest Teaching Plan. Their receptionist came bustling in, apologizing for the interruption to tell them that &#8216;there was a young man who had literally come in off the street and was wanting to know about the Faith.&#8217; She was told to &#8216;tell him to come back later, as they were very busy trying to figure out how to attract more people to the Faith.&#8217;<br />
WH</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan Cook</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/national-spiritual-assembly-united-states-letter-april-8-2007-299.html#comment-32348</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baquia and Priscilla,

These numbers are especially distressing when we consider that the population of the United States as whole is growing.  There may very well be a situation in the United States much like there is in New Zealand, where relative to the population as a whole the number of those enrolled in the Faith actually shrinks.

What will happen if this trend continues?  I would like to think that it will serve as a wake-up call.  But what I fear will happen is far different.  I fear that people will begin to blame people like Baquia and myself.  If we were more positive, it will be said, the community  wouldn't be where it is.  And so those who merely indicate that there  is a problem may be fingered as the problem itself.  It's not that Ruhi has serious flaws, it's the people criticizing Ruhi that are the problem.  It's not that decisions like the Kalimat Boycott and the disenrollment of Sen McGlinn endanger the integrity of the Faith, it's that people like Baquia and myself need to be quiet about it.  This is how I fear people will think.

And what will happen in the meantime?  I hope this isn't true, but my guess would be more of the same.  Enrollments decline, old members drift away, and more good news about how well the Core Activities are going and how many people have completed the Full Sequence of Courses.  And the current policy towards dissent  will continue too.  They'll continue to boot people like Sen McGlinn and deny enrollment to people like me, but what will that do?  You don't solve a problem by treating the symptoms.  Breaking every clock in your house won't stop the passage of time, and removing every dissenter won't change the issues we represent.

We'll see what story the coming decades tell.

Brendan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baquia and Priscilla,</p>
<p>These numbers are especially distressing when we consider that the population of the United States as whole is growing.  There may very well be a situation in the United States much like there is in New Zealand, where relative to the population as a whole the number of those enrolled in the Faith actually shrinks.</p>
<p>What will happen if this trend continues?  I would like to think that it will serve as a wake-up call.  But what I fear will happen is far different.  I fear that people will begin to blame people like Baquia and myself.  If we were more positive, it will be said, the community  wouldn&#8217;t be where it is.  And so those who merely indicate that there  is a problem may be fingered as the problem itself.  It&#8217;s not that Ruhi has serious flaws, it&#8217;s the people criticizing Ruhi that are the problem.  It&#8217;s not that decisions like the Kalimat Boycott and the disenrollment of Sen McGlinn endanger the integrity of the Faith, it&#8217;s that people like Baquia and myself need to be quiet about it.  This is how I fear people will think.</p>
<p>And what will happen in the meantime?  I hope this isn&#8217;t true, but my guess would be more of the same.  Enrollments decline, old members drift away, and more good news about how well the Core Activities are going and how many people have completed the Full Sequence of Courses.  And the current policy towards dissent  will continue too.  They&#8217;ll continue to boot people like Sen McGlinn and deny enrollment to people like me, but what will that do?  You don&#8217;t solve a problem by treating the symptoms.  Breaking every clock in your house won&#8217;t stop the passage of time, and removing every dissenter won&#8217;t change the issues we represent.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see what story the coming decades tell.</p>
<p>Brendan</p>
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		<title>By: Priscilla Gilman</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/national-spiritual-assembly-united-states-letter-april-8-2007-299.html#comment-32345</link>
		<dc:creator>Priscilla Gilman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 14:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You wrote:

"When we have an 80% drop in enrollments? when we actually start seeing a drop, not in enrollments, but in the actual Baha’i community membership?"

Do you know what the withdrawal rate is? I have always wondered and wished it would be published in the AB with enrollments.  Myabe it is now and I'm just out of date.  Depending on the withdrawal rate the membership could be shrinking.

Of course, if the new people are staying at a higher rate and being more active then a smaller number of enrollments could mean more for the community.  But then, if this was happening they probably would have said so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;When we have an 80% drop in enrollments? when we actually start seeing a drop, not in enrollments, but in the actual Baha’i community membership?&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you know what the withdrawal rate is? I have always wondered and wished it would be published in the AB with enrollments.  Myabe it is now and I&#8217;m just out of date.  Depending on the withdrawal rate the membership could be shrinking.</p>
<p>Of course, if the new people are staying at a higher rate and being more active then a smaller number of enrollments could mean more for the community.  But then, if this was happening they probably would have said so.</p>
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