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		<title>By: NSA of Canada: Two New By-election Members &#124; Baha'i Rants</title>
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		<dc:creator>NSA of Canada: Two New By-election Members &#124; Baha'i Rants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] with the junior youth. He is the son-in-law of current NSA member, Deloria Bighorn &#8211; first elected to the NSA herself in 2009. Grandy was just elected a month ago to the Baha&#8217;i Council of British Columbia (November [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] with the junior youth. He is the son-in-law of current NSA member, Deloria Bighorn &#8211; first elected to the NSA herself in 2009. Grandy was just elected a month ago to the Baha&#8217;i Council of British Columbia (November [...]</p>
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		<title>By: National Spiritual Assembly Elections in North America 2009 &#124; Baha &#8230; : Schizophrenia Page</title>
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		<dc:creator>National Spiritual Assembly Elections in North America 2009 &#124; Baha &#8230; : Schizophrenia Page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] See the original post here: National Spiritual Assembly Elections in North America 2009 &#124; Baha &#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: NSA Elections in North America &#8211; 2010 &#124; Baha'i Rants</title>
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		<dc:creator>NSA Elections in North America &#8211; 2010 &#124; Baha'i Rants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 04:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Last year two members of the US NSA retired, allowing for two new members to enter the institution. I&#8217;m looking for historical data for the US NSA to verify how far this trend has been in effect but today it seems that the only way for a new member to enter the NSA is for an existing member to retire. Otherwise, forget about a chance to vote in any one new. This bias towards incumbency is not difficult to explain since it is baked into the very process of Baha&#8217;i elections and is not characteristic of just the US community. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Last year two members of the US NSA retired, allowing for two new members to enter the institution. I&#8217;m looking for historical data for the US NSA to verify how far this trend has been in effect but today it seems that the only way for a new member to enter the NSA is for an existing member to retire. Otherwise, forget about a chance to vote in any one new. This bias towards incumbency is not difficult to explain since it is baked into the very process of Baha&#8217;i elections and is not characteristic of just the US community. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: fubar</title>
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		<dc:creator>fubar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.goodguide.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.goodguide.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The above web site is possible one of the first, major examples of &quot;spiritual capitalism&quot; that integral theory predicts.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Such activities will cause a major paradigm shift in consumer culture toward an ethos of social and environmental responsibility and &quot;ecological intelligence&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(Note: I can&#039;t wait for Farhan to state that this was all somehow inspired by an obscure persian mystic.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.goodguide.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.goodguide.com/</a></p>
<p>The above web site is possible one of the first, major examples of &#8220;spiritual capitalism&#8221; that integral theory predicts.</p>
<p>Such activities will cause a major paradigm shift in consumer culture toward an ethos of social and environmental responsibility and &#8220;ecological intelligence&#8221;.</p>
<p>(Note: I can&#39;t wait for Farhan to state that this was all somehow inspired by an obscure persian mystic.)</p>
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		<title>By: fubar</title>
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		<dc:creator>fubar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.goodguide.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.goodguide.com/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The above web site is possible one of the first, major examples of &quot;spiritual capitalism&quot; that integral theory predicts.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Such activities will cause a major paradigm shift in consumer culture toward an ethos of social and environmental responsibility and &quot;ecological intelligence&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(Note: I can&#039;t wait for Farhan to state that this was all somehow inspired by an obscure persian mystic.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.goodguide.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.goodguide.com/</a></p>
<p>The above web site is possible one of the first, major examples of &#8220;spiritual capitalism&#8221; that integral theory predicts.</p>
<p>Such activities will cause a major paradigm shift in consumer culture toward an ethos of social and environmental responsibility and &#8220;ecological intelligence&#8221;.</p>
<p>(Note: I can&#39;t wait for Farhan to state that this was all somehow inspired by an obscure persian mystic.)</p>
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		<title>By: fubar</title>
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		<dc:creator>fubar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pey,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I completely agree. The specific bahai &quot;context&quot; is persian culture&#039;s regressive memes/paradigms, but they are quite &quot;universal&quot; otherwise.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;e.g. George Bush re-enacted various elements of the medieval (&quot;blue meme&quot;) paradigm, including invoking a &quot;crusade&quot; against &quot;non-believers&quot; (the revival of which was a predictable historical anti-pattern).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The american people eventually (but not fast enough, IMO, I voted for Nader), figured out the Bush-Rove neo-con/oilogarchy scam and voted it out.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here is one integralists &quot;take&quot; on the challenge of creating a post-modern/integral culture that can support a World Federation that would enforce human rights at the highest level of compassion:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://wilber.shambhala.com/html/misc/iraq.cfm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://wilber.shambhala.com/html/misc/iraq.cfm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In this scenario, the regressive tendencies of bahai administration (attacking the human rights of its followers) would be legally prohibited.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Which raises the tricky question: after you take away that kind of stuff, can a premodern or medieval religious system sustain any &quot;authenticity&quot; when its &quot;metaphysics&quot; have been undermined by consumerism and (hopefully)more &quot;advanced&quot; memes?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What does spiritually look like, as both daily individual practice and collective enactment of an ethos of compassion and altruism, in a postmodern/integral culture?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In the USA, we have the begining of &quot;spiritual capitalism&quot;. It is starting to &quot;settle into&quot; a slightly uncomfortable, but important and necessary, relationship with memes that have been wonderfully articulated by people like Sam Harris (an atheist who understands consciousness studies and new age culture fairly well.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pey,</p>
<p>I completely agree. The specific bahai &#8220;context&#8221; is persian culture&#39;s regressive memes/paradigms, but they are quite &#8220;universal&#8221; otherwise.</p>
<p>e.g. George Bush re-enacted various elements of the medieval (&#8220;blue meme&#8221;) paradigm, including invoking a &#8220;crusade&#8221; against &#8220;non-believers&#8221; (the revival of which was a predictable historical anti-pattern).</p>
<p>The american people eventually (but not fast enough, IMO, I voted for Nader), figured out the Bush-Rove neo-con/oilogarchy scam and voted it out.</p>
<p>Here is one integralists &#8220;take&#8221; on the challenge of creating a post-modern/integral culture that can support a World Federation that would enforce human rights at the highest level of compassion:</p>
<p><a href="http://wilber.shambhala.com/html/misc/iraq.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://wilber.shambhala.com/html/misc/iraq.cfm</a></p>
<p>In this scenario, the regressive tendencies of bahai administration (attacking the human rights of its followers) would be legally prohibited.</p>
<p>Which raises the tricky question: after you take away that kind of stuff, can a premodern or medieval religious system sustain any &#8220;authenticity&#8221; when its &#8220;metaphysics&#8221; have been undermined by consumerism and (hopefully)more &#8220;advanced&#8221; memes?</p>
<p>What does spiritually look like, as both daily individual practice and collective enactment of an ethos of compassion and altruism, in a postmodern/integral culture?</p>
<p>In the USA, we have the begining of &#8220;spiritual capitalism&#8221;. It is starting to &#8220;settle into&#8221; a slightly uncomfortable, but important and necessary, relationship with memes that have been wonderfully articulated by people like Sam Harris (an atheist who understands consciousness studies and new age culture fairly well.)</p>
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		<title>By: Farhan</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pey wrote : It is after all about service, &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Farhan: Totally agree; the structure is a mere instrument for harmonising our efforts, although some administrators misunderstand their function of servitude with one of domination, a dysfunction imported from our prevailing world and totally alien to Baha’i principles&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Pey:  Btw, what great work has been done? Show me the number Farhan. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Farhan: I have provided numbers for France. I cannot do so for elsewhere, although I am well aware that when we change structures for a more complex one, we obviously go through a period of recession. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Pey:  show me the development of the Mashriq&#039;s throughout the world. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Farhan: Pey, there are priorities we cannot do everything at one time. Some brilliant ideas I met 30 years ago are only just becoming viable. At this time humanity vitally needs spiritualization. We also believe that the earth is but one country, but we cannot go to the customs officer without a passport just yet. And we believe that in time many ailments will be prevented or cured by an appropriate diet, but contrary to what some misguided Baha’is believe, science is not advanced enough for that just yet. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Pey: how about no more advertising prominent individuals so that they continue to stay in the spotlight. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Farhan: I entirely agree</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pey wrote : It is after all about service, </p>
<p>Farhan: Totally agree; the structure is a mere instrument for harmonising our efforts, although some administrators misunderstand their function of servitude with one of domination, a dysfunction imported from our prevailing world and totally alien to Baha’i principles</p>
<p>Pey:  Btw, what great work has been done? Show me the number Farhan. </p>
<p>Farhan: I have provided numbers for France. I cannot do so for elsewhere, although I am well aware that when we change structures for a more complex one, we obviously go through a period of recession. </p>
<p>Pey:  show me the development of the Mashriq&#39;s throughout the world. </p>
<p>Farhan: Pey, there are priorities we cannot do everything at one time. Some brilliant ideas I met 30 years ago are only just becoming viable. At this time humanity vitally needs spiritualization. We also believe that the earth is but one country, but we cannot go to the customs officer without a passport just yet. And we believe that in time many ailments will be prevented or cured by an appropriate diet, but contrary to what some misguided Baha’is believe, science is not advanced enough for that just yet. </p>
<p>Pey: how about no more advertising prominent individuals so that they continue to stay in the spotlight. </p>
<p>Farhan: I entirely agree</p>
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		<title>By: pey</title>
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		<dc:creator>pey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. She can always serve in other manners. It is after all about service, right Farhan? The cost of those who are entrenched in the system and benefitting are far worse than the ones who are such doing such great work. Btw, what great work has been done? Show me the number Farhan. Or better yet, show me the development of the Mashriq&#039;s throughout the world. No not just pretty nine sided buildings. I mean the charity, home for the aged, orphanage, etc. that is being built around those nice buildings. Where are those Farhan? In the US, the 9 in charge shut the one thing they had going- the home for the elderly. Oh but they haven&#039;t shut down the really nice fancy building in which they meet for meetings. But if you dont&#039; like term limits, then how about no more advertising prominent individuals so that they continue to stay in the spotlight. So instead of a certain member (secretary of an NSA let&#039;s say) keeps signing off on letters or traveling to meet with communities, instead everything is signed off from the office of the NSA. No mention of names- no prominence to anyone. These are just some thoughts. I&#039;m sure you could come up with some too- your IQ is just fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. She can always serve in other manners. It is after all about service, right Farhan? The cost of those who are entrenched in the system and benefitting are far worse than the ones who are such doing such great work. Btw, what great work has been done? Show me the number Farhan. Or better yet, show me the development of the Mashriq&#39;s throughout the world. No not just pretty nine sided buildings. I mean the charity, home for the aged, orphanage, etc. that is being built around those nice buildings. Where are those Farhan? In the US, the 9 in charge shut the one thing they had going- the home for the elderly. Oh but they haven&#39;t shut down the really nice fancy building in which they meet for meetings. But if you dont&#39; like term limits, then how about no more advertising prominent individuals so that they continue to stay in the spotlight. So instead of a certain member (secretary of an NSA let&#39;s say) keeps signing off on letters or traveling to meet with communities, instead everything is signed off from the office of the NSA. No mention of names- no prominence to anyone. These are just some thoughts. I&#39;m sure you could come up with some too- your IQ is just fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Farhan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Farhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if someone is doing fine, becoming experienced, and the delegates feel spiritually inspired to re-elect him, he would be excluded?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if someone is doing fine, becoming experienced, and the delegates feel spiritually inspired to re-elect him, he would be excluded?</p>
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