NSA of Canada: Two New By-election Members

As a result of two appointments by the Baha’i World Center which necessitated a recent by-election, the NSA of Canada has two new members. Borna Noureddin is moving to Haifa to join other Continental Counsellor and Todd Smith will be moving there to serve at the BWC.

Outgoing Members
Borna Noureddin holds a Doctorate of Electrical and Computer Engineering from the University of British Columbia and was an instructor at the British Columbia Institute of Technology since the summer of 2010. He was first elected to the NSA of Canada in 2007, replacing retiring member, Don (Otto) Rogers. He held the position for almost 4 consecutive years and in his last year as member, he was the Chairperson of the NSA.

Todd Smith holds a Doctorate of Philosophy degree in sociology from the University of Toronto. Before serving on the NSA, he was a member of the Baha’i Council of Ontario from 1997 to 2008. He was elected to the NSA on April 2008 to replace his father David Smith and served as assistant secretary for the first two years and as vice-chairperson for the final year.

Incoming Members
Dr. Mehran Anvari completed his education at University of Newcastle-upon-Tyne and at University of Adelaide where he received his Ph.D. in gastric motor function. He has a Fellowship in General Surgery from the Royal College of Surgeons of Canada and is a Fellow of American College of Surgeons. He currently teaches in the department of surgery at McMaster in Hamiton and is also the Director of the Centre for Minimal Access Surgery. Dr. Anvari previously served on the Baha’i Council for Ontario.

Simon Grandy along with his wife, Jelana Bighorn, has been very active in teaching the Faith, especially with the junior youth. He is the son-in-law of current NSA member, Deloria Bighorn – first elected to the NSA herself in 2009. Grandy was just elected a month ago to the Baha’i Council of British Columbia (November 24th, effective November 26th – the Day of the Covenant). He received 254 votes from 75 participating LSA’s which placed him in the top three. As a result, the Council will have to hold a by-election to replace him.

The picture below shows Simon Grandy with Jelana Bighorn (and their son, Ohiyesa – native for “one who wins” or “the winner”. The image is from the Vancouver conference held in early 2009 as part of the global regional conferences of the 5 year plan.

Baha’i Rants wishes Dr. Noureddin and Smith the best in their new endeavors at the Baha’i World Center and welcomes the addition of two new faces on the NSA of Canada.

Nevertheless, it should be noted that the two recent newcomers are only replacing those who already were new themselves to begin with. That is to say, the majority of members (quorum) on the NSA have been consecutive members for a very long time. These are Judy Filson, Enayat Rawhani, Karen McKye, Gordon Naylor and Susanne Tamas. These five members have been consecutive members of the NSA for more than 10 years.

From an organizational point of view, any real change in the culture of the NSA would necessitate their replacement. Incremental changes at the periphery, such as one or two new members, provides no real opportunity for change or fresh ideas. For an explanation of why, read about the Fable of the 5 Monkeys.

  • Oscar Wilde

    I dont really give a damn about the inner movements of the baha’i administration, names of people etc. I never gave a damn even when I was a fervent believer in the baha’i faith. There is nothing less interesting than administrative bureucratic people for both new age followers and normal regular people. I appertain to the latter.

  • Yes, you have a point, but the article was also about how an administrative body can have the appearance of gaining new blood, when really a large core group of entrenched members remains. I find that analysis interesting.

  • Anonymous

    Steve, yes, that was the main point – other than informing about the change. As well, saying ‘more than 10 years’ is being rather kind. The stats are more like 15+ years. I suspect this is very similar to the US where we’ve had some ‘new blood’ come into the NSA but the vast majority have been members for a very very long time.

    As well, in response to Oscar Wilde, I can’t please everyone but this is a Baha’i blog and while some topics may appear mundane at times they are reported because it is relevant to the Baha’i community and of a significant nature.

    In case you are not impressed by what you see on the front page, I’d like to remind everyone that there is a lot of content hidden away in the archives. You can access previous articles via the archives page or by clicking on the category links in the sidebar or at the top of each post to see more posts on that subject.

  • fubar

    OW is correct that this is incredibly insignificant. Possibly except to a small (mostly insularized?) group of administrators and their supporters who have a vastly overblown sense of self-importance.

    Baquia’s point is that real reform, or any sense of freshness of whatever sort, is an increasingly distant memory within most bahai communities, and the election process reinforces stasis (and futile, ritualistic bureaucratic reinvention). most of what goes on in bahai culture is either horribly dysfunctional, or like a scene in a decorative holiday glass bubble: a preserved, static set of elements whose only changing feature is the charming snow that floats like fluff when the bubble is shaken. Soon the snow flakes drift back into their proper place and the feel-good cliche is complete.

    Anyone that dares to point out the glaring problems in bahai bureaucracy (which is little different in operation from other bureaucracies) becomes a misfit, and then a nonconformist, critic, dissident, etc.

    For those whose primary need is to identify with some kind of vague, well-meaning group, the administration functions to maintain a set of mutually agreed upon “happy” myths that are mostly nonsense when examined for real spiritual depth and authenticity.

    Those that search for deeper meaning are not welcome because they usually disrupt the comfort zone of conformism and “happy” myth.

    The prevailing form of bahai culture is pure rot, and the election process is a good example of how superficial and shallow the people within the “bubble” are happy to be.

  • Oscar Wilde

    Gotta like the glass bubble scene, Fubs.

    Gonna talk a little getto or countryman like today.
    No, I won’t.

    Baquia is free to post whatever the hell she wants on her blog. But apparently there are topics the followers are more interested in, given statistics. Even if we’re in holydays it looks like most people don’t care much about these three guys.

    Maybe you fancy them? They’re three “charming” guys, somehow, I confess. Not really my type so still, eeeew. When you compare them to the true charm of an actor or an artist, or other truly carismatic person, they fail. But I’m sure a lot of boring ultra-conservatist baha’i women really really like them to the point of making all their “accomplishments” easier.

    If you’re a boring woman in the baha’i faith who doesn’t really think about stuff what is more your life’s dream than marrying one of these not disturbingly bad looking chaps in POWER? Nothing.

    Who cares about values or idealism, there is none. Justice? Making the world a better place? Hah. That’s a nice song by that monster, Michael Jackson. Poor soul, poor poor. What’s the point of living if you’re not AVERAGELY MEDIOCRELY LOOKING. Different people should just stay home.

    So that’s why this could be interesting. Maybe.

    By the way, the circustances inside the baha’i faith terribly reflect those in which a “Jesus”, or at least a revolutionary, arised.

    Maybe.

    But don’t expect a movie to be made about him for the next 2000 years. I mean, who is a superstar today, Rihanna? Right. That’s what I expect great people to be like.

    Sincerely,
    Obi Wan

  • Oscar Wilde

    Hahhahaah, oh my god, I’m cracking myself up for what I me myself said…I’m having a trippy experience looking at this post again! It looks just like an advertisement of three bachelours to whoever it might concern!!!

    The fourth, is married and with a baby, so it’s just for dreaming maybe.

    Imagine what happens the day Baquia DOES involve sentimentally with one of these. What shape will Baha’i Rants take?

    Ah, the world is such a big orgy…

  • Kevin

    Gosh, I’ve met those two, Borna and Simon… I used to be part of the Baha’i Faith and declared five or six years ago in Surrey, British Columbia, although I frequented the clusters in both Burnaby and Vancouver (overall the Metro Vancouver area)… although I was part of the Faith for one year, there was not much talk of deepening as much as Administrative Order, how wonderful the Administrative Order is, how we will continue cluster growth, Ruhi Circles, Musical Firesides(TM), and further proselytisation for the long-expected miraculous coming of the ‘Entry By Troops.’ I love Baha’u’llah, I love the Baha’i Faith, but I have a hard time loving the Haifan organisation.

  • Baquia

    Kevin, thanks for dropping by. So did you resign or are you still officially on the rolls? did you try talking with anyone about the issues that were bothering you?

  • Kevin

    Meh, I have kind of realised in the long run that I’m just a religious liberal. I officially resigned from the Faith, after having talked well about my personal issues – regarding Baha’i triumphalism, my Gender Identity Disorder, the current discrimination against homosexuals, complete and utter obedience to the Will of God on Earth which is the Universal House of Justice, the so-called practice of shunning ‘Covenant-Breakers’ (which I feel is a slap in Baha’u’llah’s very face concerning his constant speaking of religious pluralism and unity).

    I got some Baha’is who were respectful of my decision. Others quoted the Tablet of Ahmad since leaving the Haifan organisation is ‘leaving Baha’u’llah’ and showing pride to the Messengers of God from eternity to eternity.

    I still love Baha’u’llah, and believe that he indeed is the Messenger of God for this Age and Dispensation, but I can not see how the current Administrative Order will usher in this era of peace with a religious organisation that feeds on complete submission and obedience without any allowance of liberal thought and criticism.

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  • childintime

    Interesting – lots of criticism here, but not much in the way of constructive solutions. Are you suggesting that wholesale change is beneficial in and of itself? Perhaps all the Baha’is in each country should take turns serving on every institution. Every month, change them all around. Even those spectator types who never showed much inclination to do much for the communities at all apart from show up at potluck and eat the food then complain about the lack of variety at Baha’i events.

    I am not impressed by the monkey fable. Human behaviour is not limited by simplistic observations of occasional tendencies. I dare say that the attitude here is sorely lacking in faith and vision. Let us not forget that the Baha’i Faith is based on one thing and one thing only – the Writings of His Holiness, Baha’u’llah. It is not governed by social or political principles, however profound they may be. And the purpose of the Baha’i Faith in the present day is not to develop the perfect administation according to the imaginations of its followers. It is an organic process that evolves and unfolds to reflect God’s Plan. You are all entitled to voice your opinions as much as you want. But you are responsible for fostering unity above and beyond all else. I may be mistaken, but I don’t get the sense that “ranting” causes anything but disunity, perhaps even anarchy. And we all know what the Master said about that.

    I have struggled with many aspects of the Baha’i commuity in my 38 years as a Baha’i. I was raised in the 60’s when protesting and rebelling was about all we did – as well dropping out, which seems to be a popular activity among disaffected Baha’is who haunt the internet these days. No doubt everyone who has posted here has their own reasons for feeling disenchanted. I felt that way on many occasions. But while much of Baha’i administration and community life is still murky and elusive, the counsels of the Blessed Beauty to each and every one of us are crystal clear and fully-formed. Anyone who spends more time focussed on trying to realize the former rather than the latter is wasting his time.

  • Baquia

    childintime, thank you for your comments. Please give me a moment to take out the words you lodged in my mouth. Now, if you take the time to read what was actually written you may see that there is no such absurd claims as you suggest. Put concisely the suggestion is that Baha’i institutions were not meant to be fiefdoms governed for decades on end by a small group of people who become pseudo-clergy but rather dynamic representations of the community they serve.

    Neither extreme is beneficial: having the same small group of people on the NSA for 20 or 25 years, as is the case now. Or the other extreme of changing every single member every month (which you suggest, I hope, in jest).

    The organic process of growth that you mention is an analogy for the state of the institutions that is common within the Baha’i Faith. Unfortunately that analogy is strained to the breaking point when we don’t see anything remotely “organic” about it. You and many others have been Baha’is for several decades and have yet to see an iota of maturation and growth in the institutions. They face the same challenges, quandries and faults as they did 40, 50, 60 years ago. So it becomes clear that something is wrong. Rather than bludgeon a fellow Baha’i when they raise an issue like this, it is better to realize that they do so with the pure intention of bettering the Faith.

    By the way, the fable of the monkey was not intended to impress you or anyone else. It was simply another analogy to illustrate a pitfall that organizations have to be cognizant of. If you have served on any institution it would be alarmingly familiar to you.

    Finally, a constructive solution has been offered and it remains on the table – but sadly it is mostly ignored. That is term limits that would naturally limit the number of years that a Baha’i may serve on an institution consecutively. Such a fine tuning is well within the flexibility of the Baha’i administrative order when and if the UHJ decides to implement it. Of course it would be more practical within larger communities than smaller ones but I don’t want to go into a full treatment of it here.

  • childintime

    “Baha’i institutions were not meant to be fiefdoms governed for decades on end by a small group of people who become pseudo-clergy but rather dynamic representations of the community they serve.” Where in the Writings did you find this little gem? I hope you found it somewhere, because otherwise it seems that you have taken it upon yourselves to assume the role that Shoghi Effendi quite ably performed, and as far as I know, did not pass on to you – that of the development of the Administrative Order. How do you know that the administrative order is not maturing? What criteria have you discovered that the Universal House of Justice has not?

    I constantly marvel at the degree to which humans expect their elected institutions to be more than what the general membership has become, collectively or individually. Government can never be more than what populations are, and they were never intended to be, even from the beginning. We call them representatives because that is what they are. So when certain elements stand forth and question the quality of that representation, they are effectively saying that they know better. And that may be so, but it may also not be so. In any case, it is a moot point, because their vision is only their own, and not representative of the generality. So they agitate and protest, astounded that everyone did not jump up and down, rejoicing and celebrating this great new revelation. That is not how change comes about. Change, organic change, is brought about by the gradual development of various mutations, which occasionally result in major shifts in balance between the diverse organisms. It is not brought about by one or a few organisms trying to effect large changes in the very constitution of the environment. In fact, ecosystems by and large will see such impacts as threats, and arise to resist it, and eventually to destroy it.

    Don’t you think that if this situation is so untenable that the Blessed Beauty or the Beloved Master would have provided us with the means to deal with it? What can you be imagining, that They somehow didn’t foresee what you describe as a fatal flaw in Their Divine Plan, but you were able to pick it out and provide the remedy? Did you ever stop to think that the majority of Baha’is are satisfied with the ways things are going, that so many who work so tirelessly for the Cause can see that the administration is currently just as vibrant and dynamic as the community that has elected it. Therefore, any shortcoming is merely a reflection of the shortcomings of the community that elects it. That we do not teach as fervently as we have been commanded, that we do not promote and demonstrate unity ABOVE AND BEYOND ALL ELSE, that we are not the embodiments of instant, exact, and complete obedience — in these ways have we abdicated responsibility for our Faith and left it in the hands of those who were williing to persevere in their service, who selfelssly accepted their election and appointment to office, and who tried to provide guidance to a body of people who more often than not preferred to follow their idle fancies and vain imaginings.

    I have spent many years attending gatherings from deepenings to National Conventions, listening to people who felt all they had to do was get up and spout a barrage of criticism followed by an insular solution that would magically solve the problems of how the diversity of the human race conducts its affairs. And when their ideas were not roundly praised and adopted, they persisted in their protestations to the point where the poison of disunity soured the entire atmosphere of the gathering, and everyone went home feeling worse than when they arrived. A good friend of mine once ran for federal political office for some obscure, fringe party that no longer exists. I asked him if he truly believed he could win. He told me an interesting thing that made me respect him immensely. He said that elections were only half about being elected. The real value was the chance to get your ideas out into the public forum, where they could propogate in people’s minds, and would eventually become more widely accepted, even  if in a modified form. It is the exchange of ideas that enables us to pick and choose what is most expedient and beneficial, not the insistence on, or imposition of, one or more particular ideas. Interesting that a non-Baha’i should see that, but not those Baha’is that I have witnessed in all those gatherings.

    I leave you with this, and if it is not enough for you, then nothing ever will be. It is from Star of the West, Vol. VI, No. 6, June 24, 1915:

    Blessed are they who are the means of making unity among the friends, and pity on those who in the right or wrong are the cause of discord. For instance: When one is in the right in a case in dispute, and his minority prevents him from establishing this rightful matter, instead of agitating the subject, if he will humbly submit to sacrifice his position for the sake of unity and peace, God wil accept that sacrifice and ere long the rightful matter will be established without any further dispute, by the Divine assistance; whereas without such sacrifice and submissiveness great harm might ensue.

  • Baquia

    childintime, your first question may be rhetorical and yet here is its answer:

    “Let us also remember that at the very root of the Cause lies the principle of the undoubted right of the individual to self-expression, his freedom to declare his conscience and set forth his views. If certain instructions of the Master are today particularly emphasized and scrupulously adhered to, let us be sure that they are but provisional measures designed to guard and protect the Cause in its present state of infancy and growth until the day when this tender and precious plant shall have sufficiently grown to be able to withstand the unwisdom of its friends and the attacks of its enemies.

    Let us also bear in mind that the keynote of the Cause of God is not dictatorial authority but humble fellowship, not arbitrary power, but the spirit of frank and loving consultation. Nothing short of the spirit of a true Bah??’? can hope to reconcile the principles of mercy and justice, of freedom and submission, of the sanctity of the right of the individual and of self-surrender, of vigilance, discretion and prudence on the one hand, and fellowship, candor, and courage on the other.”
    Baha’i Administration page 196 Shoghi Effendi 1974 US Publishing Trust

    as for the second question, its answer is this:

    No Baha’i, including your humble scribe, relishes the fact that the Baha’i institutions have not matured. This is borne out of painful and repeated personal experience as well as evidence from friends, communities and second hand information such as the heinous participation of the Ugandan NSA in an inter-faith organization that had a clear and unique purpose: discrimination and prejudice against homosexuals.

    As much as the NSA and the UHJ wishes to distance itself and outright deny this after the fact when the story leaks out of Uganda and into international press, it is a futile attempt because the organization was called “Interfaith Rainbow Coalition Against Homosexuality”. When the Baha’i NSA joins such an organization and lends its name, prestige and institutional authority to it, it is impossible to then claim after the fact that they had on idea what in the world that organization advocated! Or are we to believe that they are so incompetent that they don’t even bother to read the name of an organization they join?

    Sadly, there are many, many more examples which when taken together form a pattern and culture that is impossible to deny. Many Baha’is who stumble on this blog write me in confidence and share their heart-breaking stories of how they have been treated by the institutions. Their plight is a sorry one because not only do they feel wronged and hurt, there is a taboo against speaking out because they are then further blamed for ‘sowing disunity’ or ‘disobeying the institutions’, etc. Of course, on top of all this they are also grappling with the consequence of having one of the pillars of their lives, confidence in the institutions, shattered leaving them feeling hollow. I can not share their stories of course and I’m sure many will think I’m flat out lying.

    You also ask “Don’t you think that if this situation is so untenable that the Blessed
    Beauty or the Beloved Master would have provided us with the means to
    deal with it?”

    The greatest gift given to us is reason and as Baha’is above all else we are asked to think for ourselves and to reason. This is evident throughout the Baha’i Faith starting with the divine responsibility of individual and unfettered investigation of truth. You can see this thread woven all through the Faith. For example, a whole month is devoted to “Questions”. So yes, we have been provided with “the means to deal with it” however telling each other to shut up and sit in the corner isn’t it. Dialogue, open and frank is the start – especially if we disagree.

    “… any shortcoming is merely a reflection of the shortcomings of the community that elects it.” I can certainly see how this is an attractive assertion. However, the truth is more nuanced. The community acts and influences the institutions and they in turn influence the community. It isn’t a one way street, I’m afraid.

    The danger is that we trip up a structural flaw that causes us to fall into a feedback loop. One example is the fact that since the late 1986 all UHJ members (with the exception of one: Douglas Martin) have been members of the ITC (which the UHJ itself appoints). You can see the historical membership of the UHJ here.

    The pat answer to that is to say, well, the NSAs of the world are electing ITC members to the UHJ whereas they were electing NSA members prior to the mid 1980’s. So what? A more complete understanding of the situation includes a realization that the ITC members have a practical advantage because of their position and prominence in traveling to various countries, representing the authority of the UHJ in those meetings, and having a station and rank that is deemed ‘hallowed’ by most Baha’is. But the  UHJ and the ITC being so incestuously intertwined is not healthy for the Baha’i Administration as it severely limits the pool of candidates and it creates a feedback loop where the UHJ appoints its own future members.

    Baha’i administration clearly delineates between the appointed and elected. We have the wonderful example of the Custodians who refused to stand as candidates for the first election of the UHJ in 1963 and so prevented what would have been an automatic membership simply because of their prominence in the collective mind of Baha’is and their service in such a trying and crucial time. As well, Baha’is can not serve both institutions but must resign from either the elected or appointed and serve the other.

    This clear demarcation is mysteriously forgotten when it comes to the highest levels of the Baha’i administration!

  • Desir0101

    One of the biggest problem with Institution and Bahais. When a subject become a Bahai , even just after listening for the first time and some minutes ,INVESTIGATION OF TRUTH stop.here.

    DEEPENING start now..
    Never try to learn about the schism of  Baha’s family.
    Never question authority.
    Why the Bayan not publish up to now as a major and independent religion?? etc etc etc.

    The Essence of Unity can’t build upon lies.+

    that’s why the faith and  the institution are dying.
    There are no spiritual maturation of institution.
    There are just building with new technological devices and frustrated believers hiding their feelings with hope they will inherit paradise.

    If you are a believer so you are living a spiritual life with only one eye open.

    You may be good and sincere but you have transgressed.

  • Anton Bronnikov

    Can anyone direct me to a site where I can read a sound explanation why the Bayan has not published yet?

  • Baquia

    unfortunately I do not have an answer, however you may have better luck trying talisman9 or tarikh discussion groups populated by those more academically inclined 

  • Desir0101

     Hi Anton,
    Baquia say that It was not a UHJ prioty.
    How could it not be a priority.
    The Bahais faith exist because it has been preceded by the Bab’s revelation.

    In the absence of which the bahais faith will have never existed. And we should know what has really been written or the famous PRINCIPLE OF INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF TRUTH  stand no truth.
    The babi faith is an independent religion with all its specificity.
    The major teaching of the Bahais faith has been copied from BAB”S  teaching with sometime some modification.

    The Aqdas have been released in the year 1992 only because there was an apprehension about the reaction of the believers around the world if release earlier.
    But really thousand of believers were shocked because the content (laws and regulations) did not meet
    the demand to our present time and less the coming centuries.
    And the teaching say that these laws in the Aqdas can also never find their application as the UHJ may edit new laws timing with the development.

    So what the use to have revealed the Book of laws.???

    The UHJ have the expenses to translate and publish so many writings of the BAB but not the Bayan.
    Why reduce to silence such GOD’s revelation.????

    WHO HAS THIS RIGHT???

    PLEASE TELL ME BAQUIA>

  • Baquia

    Desir, as much as it would be juicy gossip to say so, there isn’t a conspiracy to keep the Bayan away from people. The original is available and has been for a long long time. As well we have already several translations. We just don’t have an “official” translation overseen by the UHJ. The Baha’i Faith has a vast trove of writings in Persian and Arabic. A tiny fraction of which has been translated to English or other languages. To the UHJ the most important element in this process is not speed or expediency but authenticity and quality of the translation work.

    In response to your comments on the Aqdas, it is imperative that we understand its place within Baha’i theology and our lives as Baha’is. It does not supersede the laws of the country in which we live, for example. And in many places its injuctions can be replaced by those of the individual – for example, the distribution of an estate through the writing of a will and testament.

  • Desir0101

    Hi Baquia,

    Baquia say

    “”We just don’t have an “official” translation overseen by the UHJ.””
    You say it , right.
    As long as the UHJ don’t approve translated and publish, the Bahai world will never interested  to read the Bayan.
    How can a seeker investigate for truth from the BIBLE, CORAN, TORAH, AND MANY OTHERS BUT NOT THE BAYAN.??
    The cornerstone of the faith.
    Baquia say.

    “”for example, the distribution of an estate through the writing of a will and testament.””
    But in view of the Aqdas there is in fact discrimination between the sexes.
    I invite every one to go and read these passages again.

    I have set this question before but no reply yet.
    Hope you will help me to understand.
    No reply from the UHJ.
    ref. to your hyperlink below:

    Wahid II, Chapter 17. Concerning this, that Hell-Fire is true.
    Many a Fire shall
    God through Him whom God shall manifest turn to Light and many a Light to
    Fire. Should He come in the number of Chiyath (1511) all men shall enter in,
    not one shall remain in the Fire; and if he comes to Mustaghath
    (2001)32 all
    men shall enter in, not one shall remain in the Fire.

    Wahid V, Chapter 2. Concerning the Eight Mosques [which are] before the
    Ten.
    2 It is meet for such as shall be able in the religion of the Bayan to erect
    18 new mosques in the Name of the ‘Letters of the Living’ of Him whom God
    shall manifest.3 And I seem to see lamps suspended therein according to the
    Number of Mustaghath (=2001). But fear that Day when these same Letterrs
    of the Living shall return to the Life of the World, and at least do not forbid
    them their own places, as was done in the Manifestation of the Nuqta-i-Bayan.

    Wahid VII, Chapter 10. Let each soul guard itself by the form of the
    name of the Mustaghath5
    at the moment of its birth, and no one should dispense with it.For only God knows how long it will be from
    beginning of a Manifestation until another, but if God please, it will not be more
    than the number Mustaghath. And in the cycle of the Qur’an, the
    beginning and return of that was the Name Aghfar (Most Forgiving)
    minus the name Huwa. (
    Aghfar (1281) minus Huwa (11) = 1270. (M.M.) 
    equal to 1844. as the Islamic calendar was written 10 years after the beginning of Islam.
    Wahid IV, Chapter 14. Whosoever taketh refuge in these Shrines is safe and is
    pardoned. so that perhaps in the Day of the Manifestation you may not turn
    against the Letters of the One, even if you are not for them… 1270 years have
    passed between this Manifestation and last.SELECTION FROM THE WRITINGS OF THE BAB.SECOND TABLET. PAGE 7.”Thou
    wouldst indeed be praised in Thy indication. And though
    no doubt is there about it, do Thou grant a respite of
    nineteen years as a token of Thy favour so that those who
    have embraced this Cause may be graciously rewarded by
    Thee. ”The BAB in the Bayan indicate a far distant new revelation.And in the quote above, only 19 years separate them.As if BAB has gone through some influences..I read from the Bahai literature that Bahaullah has destroyed many writings by the river Tigris in pretext that humanitycan’t  bear these knowledge.As if the Supreme Manifestation is not sure about the healing prescription to a suffering humanity in a state of mutation.So, did god made a mistake.??

  • Baquia

    Desir, the Bab again and again referred to the coming of the “One Whom God Will Make Manifest” and in doing so used the number 19. You can see it yourself in the quotes you provided above from the Bayan – there are many others as well. For example,  “For only God knows how long it will be from beginning of a Manifestation until another, but if God please, it will not be more than the number Mustaghath.” Mustaghath refers to 19.

    And again “Thou wouldst indeed be praised in Thy indication. And though no doubt is there about it, do Thou grant a respite of nineteen years as a token of Thy favour so that those who have embraced this Cause may be graciously rewarded byThee.”
    Selections from the Writings of the Bab

    Regarding translation, again, keep in mind that we are talking about English translation and publication under the auspices of the UHJ. There are already translations of the Bayan and I even linked to one online. Anyone interested can find it and read it. Hopefully we will have an “official” translation soon but until then there are alternatives.

    All Persian Baha’i families – that I know at least – have a copy of the Bayan and treat it with the same respect and reverence as any of Baha’u’llah’s writings. Non-Persian and non-Arabic speakers sadly are left out but hopefully not for long. Until then we can read the “non-official” translations.

    Regarding the Aqdas and gender discriminatory laws, please keep in mind that every Baha’i is under the obligation to write a will so they are obligated and enabled to outline what they wish to be done. In any case, failing that the civil laws of the land come into play and determine the distribution of the estate. In practicality the two safeguards make the language in the Aqdas a moot point.

  • Desir0101

     Hi BAquia,
    I would like to thank you to  have enable me to roam  for a while on your blog.

    You surely know that during the schism of Baha’s family many of his original writings have gone with the other groups. They may have as many original writings as the haifan Bahais possessed.
    But as the other parties are not consider as Bahais so any literature they possessed will be considered as a forgery.

    You know I have so much to be done.
    We are working on a project which will revolutionize the whole system of energy renewal by bringing down the violent wind in the upper atmosphere down on earth. around 300 to 600Km/h. to produce energy for human consumption.
    The impact on the ocean will be devastating which will occasion terrific and destructive waves.
    So the best to bring it down on solid matter.
    We believe that there will be no more need for fossil energy.
    I can’t talk to much.

    The Bahais faith as it is to day I personally don’t think that Bahaullah would like it to be like that.
    And  the people of the Bayan are they really happy.?
    The teaching of the Bahais faith as it is today have two different faces.
    Its adherents are mostly frustrated believers.

    Wish your blog long life but always speak the truth, be not the politician.

    WISH EVERY ONE HERE GOOD LUCK IN YOUR SPIRITUAL LIFE>

    Desir.

  • nickp

    I am not sure why, including yourself, keep pointing to what is in essence a stagnancy within the membership of the institutions of the Faith when you, yourself have pointed to the very reason, namely the laziness on the part of the membership.
    The efforts to change this should therefore be directed to the community and its lack of real participation in the electoral process.
    It almost appears the institutions, rather than those responsible for electing them are at fault which is of course an erroneous conclusion.

  • Baquia

    nickp, incumbency is built into the structure of Baha’i elections and while it can be overcome by the electorate, this is a utopian dream. Expecting it to be remedied so simply is naive. One of the major reasons why there is so much apathy is incumbency so there is a self-reinforcing cycle where the inherent incumbency leads to apathy, less participation then increases the effect of incumbency and round and round we go!
    There are ways we can break this vicious cycle. But expecting people to simply ‘vote better’ is naive. An effective way is to introduce incremental improvements to the Baha’i election process that would eliminate incumbency. These include term limits, cumulative voting and others.

    These are merely a few ideas but I do not pretend to have the final answer. I merely suggest that it is important that we begin consultation on this issue.

    Another method is for the individuals who are being elected again and again continuously for 20 years on to recognize the deleterious effect of this on the community and to simply bow out. Unfortunately this is as naive as expecting the Baha’i community to ‘vote better’.

  • Justice

     Elections are really not all that transparent, and operate more on trust within BF. I know locally, people were counted on the roles as voters when they didn’t even live in the district, and therefore certain people got ‘elected’? But what do elections mean when it is all about ‘appointment’ these days and at the end of the day?

  • nickp

    Well you may call it naive but from what I have seen in a number of communities, the believers lack the knowledge or the will. Some do not know that LSA decisions can be appealed to the NSA and from the NSA to the UHJ. When I tell them this, I get all kinds of excuses why they will not exercise this right.
    After all LSA’s and NSA’s are not infallible.
    Disputes between believers are never referred to the Local Assemblies because of embarrassment, yet this is the very thing that is encouraged to help the institutions develop .
    How many people do you see at your feasts or people getting to know the members of their communities so that when election time roles around they can vote intelligently.
    On the other hand I have heard people slag the Assemblies because they did not get what they wanted, which is pretty immature – much like the person who loses a court case and then goes on to demean the judge etc.
    Any system of governance will work but that depends on the electorate and their willingness to participate wholeheartedly and intelligently. Considering we are less than 200 years old, and even less than that in the Administrative order, it is no surprise that we are apathetic.