(as previously observed by somebody selse, if they have a stunning new way of using search technology, google has lots of money to pay them for their ideas. I know someone that can directly connect them to google employee #14 to collect their $.)

and !Yes!, bahais and exbahais take sides and have food fights. ALL THE TIME.

foodfights look silly to people that don’t like (or care about) food fights. if they then say they think food fights are silly, then the foodfighters get “offended”. then the anti-foodfighters get offended that the foodfighters don’t understand how being an anti-foodfighter is better than foodfighting.

someone else will get offended that they are offending each other.

urgh.

in terms of “universal archetypes”:

liberal=nurturing mommy (peace/love)
conservative=strict daddy (order/structure)

guess what?

brain scans show that different areas of the human brain light up for each archetype.

both are needed.

the real problem that neither side in the liberal-conservative foodfights addresses is postmodern narcicissism/nihilism (boomeritis, “mean green meme”).

I agree TOTALLY with Mavaddat about getting out. most of the warm/fuzzy cool progressive stuff in bahai theology will be overtaken by the thought policing mentality that is found elsewhere in bahai theology.

gawd bless people that still believe in warm/fuzzy stuff, but they will lose the fight with the fascists. when being bahai is no longer fun or “meaningful”, they might realize how cr*ppy bahai theology really is. or they might go on ignoring the silliness, and drift into nothingness and go shopping.

Integral philosophy pioneer Jean Gebser talked about “paradigm regression”. (google “wiki gebser”)

postmodernists will be the worst fascists because they regress to tribal conformism and brutality in the name of compassion, tolerance and “diversity”. (talisman was a precursor)

as society regresses through postmodernism (boomeritis), it will increasingly “infect” the bahai community, and the paradigm regression will always lead back to fascism, not forward to warm/fuzzy/peace/love.

one integral philosopher, Don Beck, recently estimated that 1/2 of the human population of planet earth will be exterminated from lack of order that will result from postmodernists (liberals that revert to tribal fascism) increasingly coming to “power”.

e.g., the anti-global-warming “green fascists” are already telling poor people to stay poor, hungry and sick (no factories/cars/medicine/democracy/education) so the green fascists can enjoy their wealthy consumer economy without a bad climate.

Bye!
Eric P.
Sacramento

Why “hyper emotional”? I didn’t say you were hyper- anything. I only said your words lacked any real substance; that they were merely sophistical, aimed at evoking disdain and apathy of the current dialogue.

And in case you are wondering how you are stifling conversation and accusing others of being insincere, allow me to quote you:

What I see is a lot of mind-games being played by both “sides.”

Each “group” thinks they can pick and choose the Writings of the Faith they like, and throw them at the “others” and say “This is what the Faith REALLY teaches. You’re a bunch of stupid morons!” Mud-slinging. Politics. All against the Teachings of the Faith.

You explicitly say that we are playing “mind games,” which means we are bent on manipulating one another into submission to our particular perspective instead of actually seeking the truth. Couple this with the fact that we all would deny such a claim (that is, if anyone else cared about your ideas besides me), and what you have is an accusation of insincerity.

Lastly, I want you to notice that I write these words as someone who stands outside the target of your criticism, since I (in fact) accept that Bahá’ís really ought to accept all of the teachings, or else stop calling themselves Bahá’ís. So in a sense, I agree with you. But I don’t agree with you assesment that anyone is being insincere or playing mind games. This is because, as I said, to make such a judgement of intent is both beyond me, and is itself as political and subversive as the supposed tactics of those you are accusing.

(Cleaning the wounds from that verbal bite. I suppose those are the rules of “combat.”)

Actually, I wasn’t feeling hyper emotional while writing anything thus far. I WAS using “political” to mean something negative, but I don’t just use words with a dictionary definition to write. I also use words that have a “popular” definition. It might not be a scholar’s style of writing. But I am not a scholar, so there’s that.

Also, It is unclear to me how I am using “conversation-stifling emotional doctrines” and that I should take it elsewhere, as if I don’t want to be a part of this discussion? Just because I don’t speak in the conventional tones that you or anyone else does, does not mean that I am trying to stifle any conservation. If introducing a disliked or unpopular idea into a discussion is considered “stifling”, then that is a no different action than what the “institutions” take upon the religious liberals.

I see everyone else is going on with the conversation. Nothing has been disrupted. And I never called anyone “insincere.” By saying “Yes, you’re right” I was referring to one part of your writing. That did not go through perfectly because it wasn’t a verbal conversation. I was not calling anyone insincere.

But in any case, I am going to bed. I saw your latest video YouTube video, btw. I thought it was very stimulating.

Name one “irrelevant” website that comes up when Googling Bahai through the normal Google.

You make several excellent points here. But, unfortunately, always remember that on the present planet we are living on ignorance IS often an opinion. In fact, ignorance IS often an entire life long sustained point of view for some people. Cognitive dissonance is, in fact, a major growth industry in the present world as is witnessed every day by every one who is awake and thinking.

I am astonished every day of my life at the full spectacle of this phenomenon. My continuous inner mantra from sunrise to sunset on my life journey is “Say what?” and “WTF are you talking about?” I found the Ruhi Books just amazing and at a whole new level of Cosmic dysfunction.

So the concept of top down “pre-approved” “independent investigation of truth” is to be expected on this planet although the concept is a bit startling I must admit when you encounter it as came up on Baquia’s post.

“Stupid is as stupid does”.

-Forest Gump

This is where “pre-approved” “independent investigation of truth” always ends up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bJSwKZ8PmM

http://blogsearch.google.com/

Might want to use it next time you want to search for something in a blog. Oh and if you want to find Baha’i related stuff, just add “Bahai” to your search string.

Anything else? This is search engine usage 101

class dismissed for recess