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		<title>By: Time for Ruhi to Show Us the Money: Part I at Baha&#8217;i Rants</title>
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		<dc:creator>Time for Ruhi to Show Us the Money: Part I at Baha&#8217;i Rants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] as Latin American Baha&#8217;is love Ruhi, while North American and European Baha&#8217;is are largely ignoring it. It is no wonder then, that the Ruhi course was so successful as it grew from the small Cauca [...]</description>
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		<title>By: farhan</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe wrote : Ruhi is a tool that can be used and abused. I wasn&#039;t around when Ruhi started so I&#039;m still trying to get an idea what it&#039;s all about but one thing I&#039;ve noticed is that I have people trying to force me to do it and telling me I&#039;m no good or talking down at me because I haven&#039;t done it. 
Joe, I have seen what you describe, and even worse. These are learning problems. A mass of previously inactive and inexperienced individuals were enabled into the field of service; the more experienced believers thought that they were not needed in this field, mistakes were made and we have learnt from them and moved forwards in huge steps. Here in France things have advanced immensely and the newly acquired talents are producing wonderful fruits; I have posted documents on the Ruhi pitfalls somewhere on this blog.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe wrote : Ruhi is a tool that can be used and abused. I wasn&#039;t around when Ruhi started so I&#039;m still trying to get an idea what it&#039;s all about but one thing I&#039;ve noticed is that I have people trying to force me to do it and telling me I&#039;m no good or talking down at me because I haven&#039;t done it.<br />
Joe, I have seen what you describe, and even worse. These are learning problems. A mass of previously inactive and inexperienced individuals were enabled into the field of service; the more experienced believers thought that they were not needed in this field, mistakes were made and we have learnt from them and moved forwards in huge steps. Here in France things have advanced immensely and the newly acquired talents are producing wonderful fruits; I have posted documents on the Ruhi pitfalls somewhere on this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: farhan</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe wrote : Ruhi is a tool that can be used and abused. I wasn&#039;t around when Ruhi started so I&#039;m still trying to get an idea what it&#039;s all about but one thing I&#039;ve noticed is that I have people trying to force me to do it and telling me I&#039;m no good or talking down at me because I haven&#039;t done it. 
Joe, I have seen what you describe, and even worse. These are learning problems. A mass of previously inactive and inexperienced individuals were enabled into the field of service; the more experienced believers thought that they were not needed in this field, mistakes were made and we have learnt from them and moved forwards in huge steps. Here in France things have advanced immensely and the newly acquired talents are producing wonderful fruits; I have posted documents on the Ruhi pitfalls somewhere on this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe wrote : Ruhi is a tool that can be used and abused. I wasn&#039;t around when Ruhi started so I&#039;m still trying to get an idea what it&#039;s all about but one thing I&#039;ve noticed is that I have people trying to force me to do it and telling me I&#039;m no good or talking down at me because I haven&#039;t done it.<br />
Joe, I have seen what you describe, and even worse. These are learning problems. A mass of previously inactive and inexperienced individuals were enabled into the field of service; the more experienced believers thought that they were not needed in this field, mistakes were made and we have learnt from them and moved forwards in huge steps. Here in France things have advanced immensely and the newly acquired talents are producing wonderful fruits; I have posted documents on the Ruhi pitfalls somewhere on this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/reports-show-communities-ignoring-ruhi-482.html/comment-page-2#comment-62567</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ruhi is a tool that can be used and abused. I wasn&#039;t around when Ruhi started so I&#039;m still trying to get an idea what it&#039;s all about but one thing I&#039;ve noticed is that I have people trying to force me to do it and telling me I&#039;m no good or talking down at me because I haven&#039;t done it. Some people are thinking that it gives them a license to control others and feel superior to them and this is similar to priesthood which we don&#039;t have. I just ignore the person but they are very coercive and try to intimidate me and insult me to get me to take courses. I have already done Book 1 and almost finished book 2 but not going through this tutor. This person has already accused me of being insincere to the House of Justice and in my own mind I laugh back because they are attacking me and accusing me not knowing that I&#039;m already doing the courses!! How pathetic and fickle-minded that without any knowledge of whether I&#039;ve done any Ruhi courses or am doing any that a tutor who has &#039;done all 7 books&#039; is only too willing to fault-find, intimidate and harrass and falsely accuse!!!! I&#039;m going to keep laughing everytime I meet this person because they are making a fool out of themselves before myself and God and when I&#039;ve finished about 5 of the books then I&#039;ll tell them I&#039;ve just about done the course and that they should be more concerned about their own spiritual growth if all they can do is intimidate and threaten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruhi is a tool that can be used and abused. I wasn&#8217;t around when Ruhi started so I&#8217;m still trying to get an idea what it&#8217;s all about but one thing I&#8217;ve noticed is that I have people trying to force me to do it and telling me I&#8217;m no good or talking down at me because I haven&#8217;t done it. Some people are thinking that it gives them a license to control others and feel superior to them and this is similar to priesthood which we don&#8217;t have. I just ignore the person but they are very coercive and try to intimidate me and insult me to get me to take courses. I have already done Book 1 and almost finished book 2 but not going through this tutor. This person has already accused me of being insincere to the House of Justice and in my own mind I laugh back because they are attacking me and accusing me not knowing that I&#8217;m already doing the courses!! How pathetic and fickle-minded that without any knowledge of whether I&#8217;ve done any Ruhi courses or am doing any that a tutor who has &#8216;done all 7 books&#8217; is only too willing to fault-find, intimidate and harrass and falsely accuse!!!! I&#8217;m going to keep laughing everytime I meet this person because they are making a fool out of themselves before myself and God and when I&#8217;ve finished about 5 of the books then I&#8217;ll tell them I&#8217;ve just about done the course and that they should be more concerned about their own spiritual growth if all they can do is intimidate and threaten.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 12:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ruhi is a tool that can be used and abused. I wasn&#039;t around when Ruhi started so I&#039;m still trying to get an idea what it&#039;s all about but one thing I&#039;ve noticed is that I have people trying to force me to do it and telling me I&#039;m no good or talking down at me because I haven&#039;t done it. Some people are thinking that it gives them a license to control others and feel superior to them and this is similar to priesthood which we don&#039;t have. I just ignore the person but they are very coercive and try to intimidate me and insult me to get me to take courses. I have already done Book 1 and almost finished book 2 but not going through this tutor. This person has already accused me of being insincere to the House of Justice and in my own mind I laugh back because they are attacking me and accusing me not knowing that I&#039;m already doing the courses!! How pathetic and fickle-minded that without any knowledge of whether I&#039;ve done any Ruhi courses or am doing any that a tutor who has &#039;done all 7 books&#039; is only too willing to fault-find, intimidate and harrass and falsely accuse!!!! I&#039;m going to keep laughing everytime I meet this person because they are making a fool out of themselves before myself and God and when I&#039;ve finished about 5 of the books then I&#039;ll tell them I&#039;ve just about done the course and that they should be more concerned about their own spiritual growth if all they can do is intimidate and threaten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruhi is a tool that can be used and abused. I wasn&#8217;t around when Ruhi started so I&#8217;m still trying to get an idea what it&#8217;s all about but one thing I&#8217;ve noticed is that I have people trying to force me to do it and telling me I&#8217;m no good or talking down at me because I haven&#8217;t done it. Some people are thinking that it gives them a license to control others and feel superior to them and this is similar to priesthood which we don&#8217;t have. I just ignore the person but they are very coercive and try to intimidate me and insult me to get me to take courses. I have already done Book 1 and almost finished book 2 but not going through this tutor. This person has already accused me of being insincere to the House of Justice and in my own mind I laugh back because they are attacking me and accusing me not knowing that I&#8217;m already doing the courses!! How pathetic and fickle-minded that without any knowledge of whether I&#8217;ve done any Ruhi courses or am doing any that a tutor who has &#8216;done all 7 books&#8217; is only too willing to fault-find, intimidate and harrass and falsely accuse!!!! I&#8217;m going to keep laughing everytime I meet this person because they are making a fool out of themselves before myself and God and when I&#8217;ve finished about 5 of the books then I&#8217;ll tell them I&#8217;ve just about done the course and that they should be more concerned about their own spiritual growth if all they can do is intimidate and threaten.</p>
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		<title>By: ep</title>
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		<dc:creator>ep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;61075&quot;]&quot;O SON OF BEING! Bring thyself to account each day, ere thou art summoned to a reckoning.&quot;- Baha&#039;u&#039;llah
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FJR - bahai, like most religions, affirms the basic value of honesty and truth. it also calls up humanity to engage in self-examination.

so far so good.

unfortunately bahai culture is frequently dishonest. some of the folk versions of bahai are absurdly hostile to any expression of nonconformism. in such an atmosphere, exploitation begins to brew. all failures are projected onto the lowly followers, the leaders cultivate a false sense of perfection, and create a set of false interpretations designed to shield themselves from criticism. any further criticisms results in a vicious cycle of conflict and scapegoating where the critics are accused of being spiritually inferior or deficient. when they get angry about such accusations, this is then held up as &quot;proof&quot; that the abusive/corrupt leaders (or their apologists) are &quot;right&quot;, and the critics &quot;wrong&quot;.

in the end, the failed leaders are of course shown to be the main source of error.

this is an old, corrupt game that the leadership of all religions has descended into from time to time. it &quot;all about attachment&quot; - power, to importance.

it is a sign of the need for a new paradigm, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="61075"]&#8220;O SON OF BEING! Bring thyself to account each day, ere thou art summoned to a reckoning.&#8221;- Baha&#8217;u'llah<br />
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<p>FJR &#8211; bahai, like most religions, affirms the basic value of honesty and truth. it also calls up humanity to engage in self-examination.</p>
<p>so far so good.</p>
<p>unfortunately bahai culture is frequently dishonest. some of the folk versions of bahai are absurdly hostile to any expression of nonconformism. in such an atmosphere, exploitation begins to brew. all failures are projected onto the lowly followers, the leaders cultivate a false sense of perfection, and create a set of false interpretations designed to shield themselves from criticism. any further criticisms results in a vicious cycle of conflict and scapegoating where the critics are accused of being spiritually inferior or deficient. when they get angry about such accusations, this is then held up as &#8220;proof&#8221; that the abusive/corrupt leaders (or their apologists) are &#8220;right&#8221;, and the critics &#8220;wrong&#8221;.</p>
<p>in the end, the failed leaders are of course shown to be the main source of error.</p>
<p>this is an old, corrupt game that the leadership of all religions has descended into from time to time. it &#8220;all about attachment&#8221; &#8211; power, to importance.</p>
<p>it is a sign of the need for a new paradigm, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: ep</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/reports-show-communities-ignoring-ruhi-482.html/comment-page-2#comment-78785</link>
		<dc:creator>ep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;61075&quot;]&quot;O SON OF BEING! Bring thyself to account each day, ere thou art summoned to a reckoning.&quot;- Baha&#039;u&#039;llah
[/quote]

FJR - bahai, like most religions, affirms the basic value of honesty and truth. it also calls up humanity to engage in self-examination.

so far so good.

unfortunately bahai culture is frequently dishonest. some of the folk versions of bahai are absurdly hostile to any expression of nonconformism. in such an atmosphere, exploitation begins to brew. all failures are projected onto the lowly followers, the leaders cultivate a false sense of perfection, and create a set of false interpretations designed to shield themselves from criticism. any further criticisms results in a vicious cycle of conflict and scapegoating where the critics are accused of being spiritually inferior or deficient. when they get angry about such accusations, this is then held up as &quot;proof&quot; that the abusive/corrupt leaders (or their apologists) are &quot;right&quot;, and the critics &quot;wrong&quot;.

in the end, the failed leaders are of course shown to be the main source of error.

this is an old, corrupt game that the leadership of all religions has descended into from time to time. it &quot;all about attachment&quot; - power, to importance.

it is a sign of the need for a new paradigm, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="61075"]&#8220;O SON OF BEING! Bring thyself to account each day, ere thou art summoned to a reckoning.&#8221;- Baha&#8217;u'llah<br />
[/quote]</p>
<p>FJR &#8211; bahai, like most religions, affirms the basic value of honesty and truth. it also calls up humanity to engage in self-examination.</p>
<p>so far so good.</p>
<p>unfortunately bahai culture is frequently dishonest. some of the folk versions of bahai are absurdly hostile to any expression of nonconformism. in such an atmosphere, exploitation begins to brew. all failures are projected onto the lowly followers, the leaders cultivate a false sense of perfection, and create a set of false interpretations designed to shield themselves from criticism. any further criticisms results in a vicious cycle of conflict and scapegoating where the critics are accused of being spiritually inferior or deficient. when they get angry about such accusations, this is then held up as &#8220;proof&#8221; that the abusive/corrupt leaders (or their apologists) are &#8220;right&#8221;, and the critics &#8220;wrong&#8221;.</p>
<p>in the end, the failed leaders are of course shown to be the main source of error.</p>
<p>this is an old, corrupt game that the leadership of all religions has descended into from time to time. it &#8220;all about attachment&#8221; &#8211; power, to importance.</p>
<p>it is a sign of the need for a new paradigm, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: FJR</title>
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		<dc:creator>FJR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;O SON OF BEING! Bring thyself to account each day, ere thou art summoned to a reckoning.&quot;- Baha&#039;u&#039;llah

Ultimately, my biggest problem with intellectual discussion online, in a medium such as this, is that there is something lost in the typed response medium. Ultimately, before most of the viewers have even read my comments, there is a large chance that they already know what they believe, and will approach my post based on how it relates to what they believe. There simply is not the opportunity to demonstrate your beliefs, and to exemplify your character, the person who is speaking, over the internet. That is no means meant to sound arrogant, as if I might sway someone if we were to consult in person, but I do believe that there is no substitute for real, human interaction.

Ultimately, there will always be those who criticize the Administrative Order, and I do believe that independent investigation of the truth is extremely important. That entails that individuals will ASK QUESTIONS, when they find a situation they are not clear on. However, one area where many people I notice struggle is the process of asking a question, then fairly evaluating the responses. Rather than being caught in the dichotomy of one believing they are absolutely right, and others are wrong, we must recognize that each perspective is based out of some truth. 

I believe it was Abdul Baha who said that the belief of the individual that they are totally right, and another is totally wrong is the single greatest barrier to unity. 

As for the reference to taqlid, Baquia, I believe you are misinterpreting Baha&#039;u&#039;llah&#039;s intention in the quotation. While it is definitely warned that any individual gain too large an influence, and individuals always independently discern what is true, there also must be institutions to provide guidance, as Baha&#039;u&#039;llah and Abdul-Baha repeatedly state. If you would like to further discuss the subject, you are more than welcome to bring it to the forums to which I have linked. 

Ultimately, many people on the internet already know what they believe and are not looking to change or enhance their perspectives. Every individual must walk their own path, and I only hope that when the hour strikes, every believer can honestly say that they did all in their power to work towards the unity of mankind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;O SON OF BEING! Bring thyself to account each day, ere thou art summoned to a reckoning.&#8221;- Baha&#8217;u'llah</p>
<p>Ultimately, my biggest problem with intellectual discussion online, in a medium such as this, is that there is something lost in the typed response medium. Ultimately, before most of the viewers have even read my comments, there is a large chance that they already know what they believe, and will approach my post based on how it relates to what they believe. There simply is not the opportunity to demonstrate your beliefs, and to exemplify your character, the person who is speaking, over the internet. That is no means meant to sound arrogant, as if I might sway someone if we were to consult in person, but I do believe that there is no substitute for real, human interaction.</p>
<p>Ultimately, there will always be those who criticize the Administrative Order, and I do believe that independent investigation of the truth is extremely important. That entails that individuals will ASK QUESTIONS, when they find a situation they are not clear on. However, one area where many people I notice struggle is the process of asking a question, then fairly evaluating the responses. Rather than being caught in the dichotomy of one believing they are absolutely right, and others are wrong, we must recognize that each perspective is based out of some truth. </p>
<p>I believe it was Abdul Baha who said that the belief of the individual that they are totally right, and another is totally wrong is the single greatest barrier to unity. </p>
<p>As for the reference to taqlid, Baquia, I believe you are misinterpreting Baha&#8217;u'llah&#8217;s intention in the quotation. While it is definitely warned that any individual gain too large an influence, and individuals always independently discern what is true, there also must be institutions to provide guidance, as Baha&#8217;u'llah and Abdul-Baha repeatedly state. If you would like to further discuss the subject, you are more than welcome to bring it to the forums to which I have linked. </p>
<p>Ultimately, many people on the internet already know what they believe and are not looking to change or enhance their perspectives. Every individual must walk their own path, and I only hope that when the hour strikes, every believer can honestly say that they did all in their power to work towards the unity of mankind.</p>
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		<title>By: FJR</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;O SON OF BEING! Bring thyself to account each day, ere thou art summoned to a reckoning.&quot;- Baha&#039;u&#039;llah

Ultimately, my biggest problem with intellectual discussion online, in a medium such as this, is that there is something lost in the typed response medium. Ultimately, before most of the viewers have even read my comments, there is a large chance that they already know what they believe, and will approach my post based on how it relates to what they believe. There simply is not the opportunity to demonstrate your beliefs, and to exemplify your character, the person who is speaking, over the internet. That is no means meant to sound arrogant, as if I might sway someone if we were to consult in person, but I do believe that there is no substitute for real, human interaction.

Ultimately, there will always be those who criticize the Administrative Order, and I do believe that independent investigation of the truth is extremely important. That entails that individuals will ASK QUESTIONS, when they find a situation they are not clear on. However, one area where many people I notice struggle is the process of asking a question, then fairly evaluating the responses. Rather than being caught in the dichotomy of one believing they are absolutely right, and others are wrong, we must recognize that each perspective is based out of some truth. 

I believe it was Abdul Baha who said that the belief of the individual that they are totally right, and another is totally wrong is the single greatest barrier to unity. 

As for the reference to taqlid, Baquia, I believe you are misinterpreting Baha&#039;u&#039;llah&#039;s intention in the quotation. While it is definitely warned that any individual gain too large an influence, and individuals always independently discern what is true, there also must be institutions to provide guidance, as Baha&#039;u&#039;llah and Abdul-Baha repeatedly state. If you would like to further discuss the subject, you are more than welcome to bring it to the forums to which I have linked. 

Ultimately, many people on the internet already know what they believe and are not looking to change or enhance their perspectives. Every individual must walk their own path, and I only hope that when the hour strikes, every believer can honestly say that they did all in their power to work towards the unity of mankind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;O SON OF BEING! Bring thyself to account each day, ere thou art summoned to a reckoning.&#8221;- Baha&#8217;u'llah</p>
<p>Ultimately, my biggest problem with intellectual discussion online, in a medium such as this, is that there is something lost in the typed response medium. Ultimately, before most of the viewers have even read my comments, there is a large chance that they already know what they believe, and will approach my post based on how it relates to what they believe. There simply is not the opportunity to demonstrate your beliefs, and to exemplify your character, the person who is speaking, over the internet. That is no means meant to sound arrogant, as if I might sway someone if we were to consult in person, but I do believe that there is no substitute for real, human interaction.</p>
<p>Ultimately, there will always be those who criticize the Administrative Order, and I do believe that independent investigation of the truth is extremely important. That entails that individuals will ASK QUESTIONS, when they find a situation they are not clear on. However, one area where many people I notice struggle is the process of asking a question, then fairly evaluating the responses. Rather than being caught in the dichotomy of one believing they are absolutely right, and others are wrong, we must recognize that each perspective is based out of some truth. </p>
<p>I believe it was Abdul Baha who said that the belief of the individual that they are totally right, and another is totally wrong is the single greatest barrier to unity. </p>
<p>As for the reference to taqlid, Baquia, I believe you are misinterpreting Baha&#8217;u'llah&#8217;s intention in the quotation. While it is definitely warned that any individual gain too large an influence, and individuals always independently discern what is true, there also must be institutions to provide guidance, as Baha&#8217;u'llah and Abdul-Baha repeatedly state. If you would like to further discuss the subject, you are more than welcome to bring it to the forums to which I have linked. </p>
<p>Ultimately, many people on the internet already know what they believe and are not looking to change or enhance their perspectives. Every individual must walk their own path, and I only hope that when the hour strikes, every believer can honestly say that they did all in their power to work towards the unity of mankind.</p>
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