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		<title>By: Chanadahl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chanadahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 03:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Wow, thanks. I knew Roger White fairly well &quot;back in the day&quot; and he was, above all things, a fun guy.</description>
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		<title>By: RonPrice</title>
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		<dc:creator>RonPrice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger White was considered &quot;the unofficial poet laureate&quot; back in the 1980s and into the 1990s before he died in 1993.  The Baha&#039;i community at the international level has not had an official poet laureate, as far as I know.&lt;br&gt;-------SOME COMMENTS ON A POETRY READING ROGER GAVE----------&lt;br&gt;                                     ---LIPSTICK AND BRUISES----&lt;br&gt;--------------------------------------------------------------&lt;br&gt;My book on Roger White is devoted primarily to his poetry, but I have also added special chapters to focus on a small selection of his letters, on his books of prose and in one chapter on some of his other activities involving writing and poetry.  I have done this to place his poetry in additional perspectives, those of a creative and imaginative life. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In a book celebrating the first hundred years of Hansard in Canada&#039;s parliament, John Ward wrote that Roger White was &quot;acknowledged by his colleagues as one of the finest shorthand writers ever to serve his country.&quot;   He also served as the official reporter for the Supreme Court of British Columbia.  These were some of the skills White brought to the Publishing Department at the Baha&#039;i World Centre where he was editor-in-chief of several volumes of The Baha&#039;i World in the 1980s.   He wrote the lyrics for &#039;Songs for Solo Voice&#039; by Jean South in Luxembourg and the text of a book  Forever in Bloom: The Lotus of Bahapur.  I am confident White had many other talents and abilities that are not mentioned in this book, devoted as it is to a study of White&#039;s poetry not his life&#039;s activites.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In 1989 White gave a poetry reading in Haifa. He had been at the Baha&#039;i World Centre for eighteen years by that time.  The evening&#039;s program was called &#039;Lipstick and Bruises.&#039;  The tone was entertaining with a gentle satire in the air as he read and spoke. White was a sit-down, not a stand-up, comedian.  He really was quite funny, not a surprising quality to anyone who knew his poetry and had received some of his letters.  White satirized almost everything that the Baha&#039;i World stood for but, in the end, everything and everyone&#039;s emotions and standards were left intact.  His was a gentle voice, although I have come across many in the last thirty years who found his poetry far from gentle and far too difficult for their literary tastes.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Many really successful contemporary comedians who have gained popularity, at least in the last half century, leave not a stone or an institution standing after a thoroughgoing evening of satirical work is done.  Not so with White. He certainly turned stones over with his satire but the process was gentle and embodied an etiquette, a refinement, of expression. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I was reminded, as I listened, of the Jews who for centuries have been &#039;the funny guys,&#039; the comedians.  There seems to be something about suffering that brings out the lighter side of life as a survival mechanism.  It seemed most fitting that two hundred Baha&#039;is should join White in an evening of laughter and pure delight. Somehow it was a sign of the maturity of the Baha&#039;i community, so often measured in blood, sweat and tears, dogged persistence in the face of massive indifference and a faith which it was their hope and belief would move mountains, if not tomorrow, then over the centuries. One way of characterizing the Baha&#039;i experience, White&#039;s experience, perhaps, was with, as White put it in the title he gave to the program, &#039;Lipstick and Bruises.&#039;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; White read many of his old favourites and the audience&#039;s.  He also read some new material: from letters he had received, from his experiences and those of others.  He joked; he played the raconteur, the provocateur, the stimulator, the titillator, the poet-who-lived-there, the kind man that he was.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I was not present at the evening&#039;s entertainment which was organized, White informed us, by the Department of Organization and Personnel.  I was one of those who received a cassette-tape with the background music of the Iranian musician Masoud Rowshan who played the santour. I was one of those who heard the voice of the poet, I think for the first time, after enjoying his many voices in poetry.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There was a dryness in his voice, a little like the dry humour that comes out of Canada. But there was that kindness, the kindness that &#039;Abdu&#039;l-Baha had pointed to when He visited Canada in 1912. White was one of those &#039;kind friends&#039; that &#039;Abdu&#039;l-Baha had raised up just about the time when Canada was forming its first National Spiritual Assembly in 1948. With a lifetime of service, over forty years, and the experiences of lipstick and bruises behind him, White was a veteran. He was also greatly loved.  There would be four years of &#039;lipstick and bruises&#039; to go before his innings were to be completed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I wish I could have been there, although I was able to savour each line as it came off my cassette tape. I felt as if I finally had White to myself after all these years, such are the illusions of technology.  Nineteen months after this poetry reading White would leave the Baha&#039;i World Centre.  With a quadruple bypass operation under his belt, so to speak, which he likened to &quot;being struck down by a herd of stampeding rogue elephants or perhaps a small Sherman tank,&quot;  he still had a little left. He put that little into three books of poetry which were published within three years of this public reading at the Baha&#039;i World Centre.  &lt;br&gt;----------------&lt;br&gt;One of the ways award-winning Inder Manocha handles hecklers when he is onstage doing stand-up comedy is this response: &quot;Sir, if I embarrass you it&#039;s called comedy. If you embarrass me it&#039;s racism.&quot; The retort works because of Mr. Manocha&#039;s diverse heritage - and its play on political correctness.  This stand-up commedian is very different than Roger White. &lt;br&gt;-------------&lt;br&gt;Then there is: Eslam Anthony Shams is an Iranian-American comedian and successful actor. His comedy routine switches between English and Farsi and he&#039;s got some harsh words for those Iranians in America who go to his shows and don&#039;t enjoy the 40% of it that&#039;s in English.&lt;br&gt;------------&lt;br&gt;And on and on one could go in this vein of contemporary humour, but I have said far too much here for threads that usually have shorter posts.-Ron Price, Tasmania</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger White was considered &#8220;the unofficial poet laureate&#8221; back in the 1980s and into the 1990s before he died in 1993.  The Baha&#39;i community at the international level has not had an official poet laureate, as far as I know.<br />&#8212;&#8212;-SOME COMMENTS ON A POETRY READING ROGER GAVE&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />                                     &#8212;LIPSTICK AND BRUISES&#8212;-<br />&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />My book on Roger White is devoted primarily to his poetry, but I have also added special chapters to focus on a small selection of his letters, on his books of prose and in one chapter on some of his other activities involving writing and poetry.  I have done this to place his poetry in additional perspectives, those of a creative and imaginative life. </p>
<p>In a book celebrating the first hundred years of Hansard in Canada&#39;s parliament, John Ward wrote that Roger White was &#8220;acknowledged by his colleagues as one of the finest shorthand writers ever to serve his country.&#8221;   He also served as the official reporter for the Supreme Court of British Columbia.  These were some of the skills White brought to the Publishing Department at the Baha&#39;i World Centre where he was editor-in-chief of several volumes of The Baha&#39;i World in the 1980s.   He wrote the lyrics for &#39;Songs for Solo Voice&#39; by Jean South in Luxembourg and the text of a book  Forever in Bloom: The Lotus of Bahapur.  I am confident White had many other talents and abilities that are not mentioned in this book, devoted as it is to a study of White&#39;s poetry not his life&#39;s activites.</p>
<p>In 1989 White gave a poetry reading in Haifa. He had been at the Baha&#39;i World Centre for eighteen years by that time.  The evening&#39;s program was called &#39;Lipstick and Bruises.&#39;  The tone was entertaining with a gentle satire in the air as he read and spoke. White was a sit-down, not a stand-up, comedian.  He really was quite funny, not a surprising quality to anyone who knew his poetry and had received some of his letters.  White satirized almost everything that the Baha&#39;i World stood for but, in the end, everything and everyone&#39;s emotions and standards were left intact.  His was a gentle voice, although I have come across many in the last thirty years who found his poetry far from gentle and far too difficult for their literary tastes.</p>
<p>Many really successful contemporary comedians who have gained popularity, at least in the last half century, leave not a stone or an institution standing after a thoroughgoing evening of satirical work is done.  Not so with White. He certainly turned stones over with his satire but the process was gentle and embodied an etiquette, a refinement, of expression. </p>
<p>I was reminded, as I listened, of the Jews who for centuries have been &#39;the funny guys,&#39; the comedians.  There seems to be something about suffering that brings out the lighter side of life as a survival mechanism.  It seemed most fitting that two hundred Baha&#39;is should join White in an evening of laughter and pure delight. Somehow it was a sign of the maturity of the Baha&#39;i community, so often measured in blood, sweat and tears, dogged persistence in the face of massive indifference and a faith which it was their hope and belief would move mountains, if not tomorrow, then over the centuries. One way of characterizing the Baha&#39;i experience, White&#39;s experience, perhaps, was with, as White put it in the title he gave to the program, &#39;Lipstick and Bruises.&#39;</p>
<p> White read many of his old favourites and the audience&#39;s.  He also read some new material: from letters he had received, from his experiences and those of others.  He joked; he played the raconteur, the provocateur, the stimulator, the titillator, the poet-who-lived-there, the kind man that he was.</p>
<p>I was not present at the evening&#39;s entertainment which was organized, White informed us, by the Department of Organization and Personnel.  I was one of those who received a cassette-tape with the background music of the Iranian musician Masoud Rowshan who played the santour. I was one of those who heard the voice of the poet, I think for the first time, after enjoying his many voices in poetry.</p>
<p>There was a dryness in his voice, a little like the dry humour that comes out of Canada. But there was that kindness, the kindness that &#39;Abdu&#39;l-Baha had pointed to when He visited Canada in 1912. White was one of those &#39;kind friends&#39; that &#39;Abdu&#39;l-Baha had raised up just about the time when Canada was forming its first National Spiritual Assembly in 1948. With a lifetime of service, over forty years, and the experiences of lipstick and bruises behind him, White was a veteran. He was also greatly loved.  There would be four years of &#39;lipstick and bruises&#39; to go before his innings were to be completed.</p>
<p>I wish I could have been there, although I was able to savour each line as it came off my cassette tape. I felt as if I finally had White to myself after all these years, such are the illusions of technology.  Nineteen months after this poetry reading White would leave the Baha&#39;i World Centre.  With a quadruple bypass operation under his belt, so to speak, which he likened to &#8220;being struck down by a herd of stampeding rogue elephants or perhaps a small Sherman tank,&#8221;  he still had a little left. He put that little into three books of poetry which were published within three years of this public reading at the Baha&#39;i World Centre.  <br />&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />One of the ways award-winning Inder Manocha handles hecklers when he is onstage doing stand-up comedy is this response: &#8220;Sir, if I embarrass you it&#39;s called comedy. If you embarrass me it&#39;s racism.&#8221; The retort works because of Mr. Manocha&#39;s diverse heritage &#8211; and its play on political correctness.  This stand-up commedian is very different than Roger White. <br />&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />Then there is: Eslam Anthony Shams is an Iranian-American comedian and successful actor. His comedy routine switches between English and Farsi and he&#39;s got some harsh words for those Iranians in America who go to his shows and don&#39;t enjoy the 40% of it that&#39;s in English.<br />&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />And on and on one could go in this vein of contemporary humour, but I have said far too much here for threads that usually have shorter posts.-Ron Price, Tasmania</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Parke</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/roger-white-applesauce-575.html/comment-page-1#comment-61781</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Parke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 14:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baquia, 
 
It appears this is what to do if  you click on a link and it does not take you there. I think it means that it takes you to the topic comment page for that link and then you have to go to the bottom of that page and click on &quot;NEXT PAGE&quot;. There you will find the comment you are trying to reach. This is how I could reach the comment I posted last night on greg&#039;s report after I posted it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baquia, </p>
<p>It appears this is what to do if  you click on a link and it does not take you there. I think it means that it takes you to the topic comment page for that link and then you have to go to the bottom of that page and click on &quot;NEXT PAGE&quot;. There you will find the comment you are trying to reach. This is how I could reach the comment I posted last night on greg&#039;s report after I posted it.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Parke</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/roger-white-applesauce-575.html/comment-page-1#comment-81092</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Parke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 14:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baquia, 
 
It appears this is what to do if  you click on a link and it does not take you there. I think it means that it takes you to the topic comment page for that link and then you have to go to the bottom of that page and click on &quot;NEXT PAGE&quot;. There you will find the comment you are trying to reach. This is how I could reach the comment I posted last night on greg&#039;s report after I posted it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baquia, </p>
<p>It appears this is what to do if  you click on a link and it does not take you there. I think it means that it takes you to the topic comment page for that link and then you have to go to the bottom of that page and click on &quot;NEXT PAGE&quot;. There you will find the comment you are trying to reach. This is how I could reach the comment I posted last night on greg&#039;s report after I posted it.</p>
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		<title>By: Baquia</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/roger-white-applesauce-575.html/comment-page-1#comment-61777</link>
		<dc:creator>Baquia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 10:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, ok thanks. You should be able to see it now. If not, try  
&lt;a href=&quot;http://bahairants.com/uhj-calls-for-41-regional-conferences-534.html#IDComment14844305&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this link&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, ok thanks. You should be able to see it now. If not, try<br />
<a href="http://bahairants.com/uhj-calls-for-41-regional-conferences-534.html#IDComment14844305" rel="nofollow">this link</a></p>
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		<title>By: Baquia</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/roger-white-applesauce-575.html/comment-page-1#comment-81091</link>
		<dc:creator>Baquia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 10:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, ok thanks. You should be able to see it now. If not, try  
&lt;a href=&quot;http://bahairants.com/uhj-calls-for-41-regional-conferences-534.html#IDComment14844305&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this link&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, ok thanks. You should be able to see it now. If not, try<br />
<a href="http://bahairants.com/uhj-calls-for-41-regional-conferences-534.html#IDComment14844305" rel="nofollow">this link</a></p>
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		<title>By: SteveMarshall</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/roger-white-applesauce-575.html/comment-page-1#comment-61772</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveMarshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 20:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That link to Greg&#039;s comment seems to be broken. I couldn&#039;t find the comment in Google cache, either. Using Opera 9 here. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That link to Greg&#039;s comment seems to be broken. I couldn&#039;t find the comment in Google cache, either. Using Opera 9 here.</p>
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		<title>By: SteveMarshall</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/roger-white-applesauce-575.html/comment-page-1#comment-81090</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveMarshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 20:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That link to Greg&#039;s comment seems to be broken. I couldn&#039;t find the comment in Google cache, either. Using Opera 9 here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That link to Greg&#039;s comment seems to be broken. I couldn&#039;t find the comment in Google cache, either. Using Opera 9 here.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Parke</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/roger-white-applesauce-575.html/comment-page-1#comment-61767</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Parke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 16:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baquia, 
 
I click on &quot;gregg&quot; to get the report about the Australian Conference and it goes no where. This happened a few weeks back too. I would click and then do a page refresh and then search the page and find the comment. But this won&#039;t work either. I am using Firefox 3.0. I hate IE7 but maybe I will try it to see if it is my browser. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baquia, </p>
<p>I click on &quot;gregg&quot; to get the report about the Australian Conference and it goes no where. This happened a few weeks back too. I would click and then do a page refresh and then search the page and find the comment. But this won&#039;t work either. I am using Firefox 3.0. I hate IE7 but maybe I will try it to see if it is my browser.</p>
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