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		<title>By: Paz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 13:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HAHAHAH this is funny cause i live in Vanuatu, where we have a famous cargo cult in the island of Tanna...and the people that are most touched by ruhi and the baha&#039;i faith are those same cargo cult members...&lt;br&gt;So i guess it does work like how you said it should... lol&lt;br&gt;okay jokes aside, i think the thing with ruhi, is you have to try it.  and not just sit through a class. you have to be scientific about it. there are 7 books and there are there for certain reasons, and each have a practice component. Now like any experiement, if you carry it out and you don&#039;t follow the procedure properly, the experiment fails. But in the area&#039;s where the experiements are carried out at a high quality, the success is plain to see. This is the same with Ruhi. If you carry it out, but fail to generate quality, fail to apply the practice components, its effect is limited. On the other hand, when all the peices fall into place, its transforming power is amazing! I live in Australia now, and i just got back from 2 ruhi books lesson today actually. And they have been amazing. We have friends that are not baha&#039;is that are part of the classes, all who have previously had either never heard of the faith before, or just had a friend that was &#039;baha&#039;i, what ever that is...&#039; After a few lessons on Book 1 their transformation is amazing. They think about how they can apply these teachings to their lives, their communities and even the world. Heck in one of the study circles one of the friends himself stopped us at one of the quotes about prayer and he himself said &#039;guys, prayer is so unifying, thats what i get from the quote, and we need to have a space where people can just come and pray with their friends. It will bring us all together...&#039; Thats the effect that it can have. That someone can read these words and have see to the crux of the matter....thats the power of ruhi...&lt;br&gt;So yeah, i guess its something you have to experience yourself i guess,... maybe you haven&#039;t had that chance...maybe if you have the quality wasn&#039;t there...thats fine, the Baha&#039;i world is still learning, and we as slowly starting to understand what the UHJ means in their messages...we&#039;ll get there. I hope you&#039;re up for giving it another shot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HAHAHAH this is funny cause i live in Vanuatu, where we have a famous cargo cult in the island of Tanna&#8230;and the people that are most touched by ruhi and the baha&#39;i faith are those same cargo cult members&#8230;<br />So i guess it does work like how you said it should&#8230; lol<br />okay jokes aside, i think the thing with ruhi, is you have to try it.  and not just sit through a class. you have to be scientific about it. there are 7 books and there are there for certain reasons, and each have a practice component. Now like any experiement, if you carry it out and you don&#39;t follow the procedure properly, the experiment fails. But in the area&#39;s where the experiements are carried out at a high quality, the success is plain to see. This is the same with Ruhi. If you carry it out, but fail to generate quality, fail to apply the practice components, its effect is limited. On the other hand, when all the peices fall into place, its transforming power is amazing! I live in Australia now, and i just got back from 2 ruhi books lesson today actually. And they have been amazing. We have friends that are not baha&#39;is that are part of the classes, all who have previously had either never heard of the faith before, or just had a friend that was &#39;baha&#39;i, what ever that is&#8230;&#39; After a few lessons on Book 1 their transformation is amazing. They think about how they can apply these teachings to their lives, their communities and even the world. Heck in one of the study circles one of the friends himself stopped us at one of the quotes about prayer and he himself said &#39;guys, prayer is so unifying, thats what i get from the quote, and we need to have a space where people can just come and pray with their friends. It will bring us all together&#8230;&#39; Thats the effect that it can have. That someone can read these words and have see to the crux of the matter&#8230;.thats the power of ruhi&#8230;<br />So yeah, i guess its something you have to experience yourself i guess,&#8230; maybe you haven&#39;t had that chance&#8230;maybe if you have the quality wasn&#39;t there&#8230;thats fine, the Baha&#39;i world is still learning, and we as slowly starting to understand what the UHJ means in their messages&#8230;we&#39;ll get there. I hope you&#39;re up for giving it another shot</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 19:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The good news is that more recent data demonstrates pretty clearly the efficacy of the core activities and practices.  Growth, as defined by either new registrations or the new-found vibrancy of the community, is up dramatically in many of the clusters with &quot;intensive programs of growth.&quot;  The pattern was particularly clear in 2009 in which U.S. enrollments rose, IIRC, 400% nationally over 2007 when this post was made.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Among the biggest learnings in this global endeavor is that merely going through the motions of Ruhi has no apparent positive effect.  In fact it drives away some folks, as evidenced in this thread.  The positive effects only occur if the friends apply the skills that study circles are intended to develop (hosting devotional gatherings; teaching children&#039;s classes; animating junior youth groups; visiting friends, family, neighbors, and co-workers; giving firesides; etc.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And of course, the secret ingredient is the light of the spirit.  Any pattern of human affairs is doomed to failure unless the hearts of the participants are joyful and enkindled.  (Which is not to say that it guarantees growth, just that you can&#039;t have success without it.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I got to spend some time in the Phoenix community recently (which is growing at a redonkulous pace) and I can testify that the spirit of love for each other and for the greater community is palpable.  These are not automatons.  These are loving Baha&#039;is, like us, doing what has been asked of them and receiving many blessings in return.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The good news is that more recent data demonstrates pretty clearly the efficacy of the core activities and practices.  Growth, as defined by either new registrations or the new-found vibrancy of the community, is up dramatically in many of the clusters with &#8220;intensive programs of growth.&#8221;  The pattern was particularly clear in 2009 in which U.S. enrollments rose, IIRC, 400% nationally over 2007 when this post was made.</p>
<p>Among the biggest learnings in this global endeavor is that merely going through the motions of Ruhi has no apparent positive effect.  In fact it drives away some folks, as evidenced in this thread.  The positive effects only occur if the friends apply the skills that study circles are intended to develop (hosting devotional gatherings; teaching children&#39;s classes; animating junior youth groups; visiting friends, family, neighbors, and co-workers; giving firesides; etc.)</p>
<p>And of course, the secret ingredient is the light of the spirit.  Any pattern of human affairs is doomed to failure unless the hearts of the participants are joyful and enkindled.  (Which is not to say that it guarantees growth, just that you can&#39;t have success without it.)</p>
<p>I got to spend some time in the Phoenix community recently (which is growing at a redonkulous pace) and I can testify that the spirit of love for each other and for the greater community is palpable.  These are not automatons.  These are loving Baha&#39;is, like us, doing what has been asked of them and receiving many blessings in return.</p>
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		<title>By: Concourse on Low</title>
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		<dc:creator>Concourse on Low</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 22:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SevenIQPoints reminds me of the lobotomized zealotry that&#039;s produced by Bahai youth conferences.</description>
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		<title>By: Grover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote post=&quot;370&quot;]Sevenraindrops

Its a systematic way of deepening and learning to develop one´s capacities and skills. Period. I will not go on cause its pointless. Have fun retards  [/quote]

lolololol, Sevenraindrops, there is a lovely little university in Afghanistan called OBL university, that would be ideal for person of soaring intelligence such as yourself.  Your career would be quite explosive, messy, and mercifully brief, but you&#039;d need to change religions to get the 40 virgins feeding you grapes in the afterlife.  I think you&#039;d be ideally suited.  Would you like us to write a recommendation for you?</description>
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<p>Its a systematic way of deepening and learning to develop one´s capacities and skills. Period. I will not go on cause its pointless. Have fun retards  [/quote]</p>
<p>lolololol, Sevenraindrops, there is a lovely little university in Afghanistan called OBL university, that would be ideal for person of soaring intelligence such as yourself.  Your career would be quite explosive, messy, and mercifully brief, but you&#8217;d need to change religions to get the 40 virgins feeding you grapes in the afterlife.  I think you&#8217;d be ideally suited.  Would you like us to write a recommendation for you?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eureka! I&#039;ve found it!

As I continue to compile material for my projected blog series, I&#039;ve been wondering what to call it. Several rather exotic titles have been suggested to me, but none of them seemed to embody the essence of what I wish to blog about.

Now, however, and from a Baha&#039;i source, nonetheless (and presumably a BIGS), I&#039;ve finally found it:

&quot;Have Fun Retards: A Blog About Baha&#039;i Spirituality.&quot;

Thank you so much! You&#039;ve given me the inspiration I need to continue!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eureka! I&#8217;ve found it!</p>
<p>As I continue to compile material for my projected blog series, I&#8217;ve been wondering what to call it. Several rather exotic titles have been suggested to me, but none of them seemed to embody the essence of what I wish to blog about.</p>
<p>Now, however, and from a Baha&#8217;i source, nonetheless (and presumably a BIGS), I&#8217;ve finally found it:</p>
<p>&#8220;Have Fun Retards: A Blog About Baha&#8217;i Spirituality.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you so much! You&#8217;ve given me the inspiration I need to continue!</p>
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		<title>By: Werdna the Wizard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Werdna the Wizard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sevenraindrops wrote:

&quot;You are quite retarded, all of you. Im sorry, its just true ... Have fun retards.&quot;

Abdu&#039;l-Baha has said:

&quot;I adjure you by the Ancient Beauty not to insult anyone or wish humiliation on any soul. Never repudiate anyone, who either specifically, or by allusion or by insinuation ascribes charges of heresy, blasphemy, atheism, loss, error or wickedness.&quot;

Abdu&#039;l-Baha was not Baha&#039;i (in the modern sense of the word) but he was once the Head of something that was once known as the Bahaist Movement. Since, clearly, he practiced a very different religion, Baha&#039;is are free to ignore his advice (as, it seems, they usually do), but they might find something of value in his words, from time to time.

On the other hand, &quot;have fun retards&quot; seems to reflect the current articulation of the mainstream Baha&#039;i Faith very well indeed. Thank you for continuing to enlighten the world with the splendor of the Faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sevenraindrops wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;You are quite retarded, all of you. Im sorry, its just true &#8230; Have fun retards.&#8221;</p>
<p>Abdu&#8217;l-Baha has said:</p>
<p>&#8220;I adjure you by the Ancient Beauty not to insult anyone or wish humiliation on any soul. Never repudiate anyone, who either specifically, or by allusion or by insinuation ascribes charges of heresy, blasphemy, atheism, loss, error or wickedness.&#8221;</p>
<p>Abdu&#8217;l-Baha was not Baha&#8217;i (in the modern sense of the word) but he was once the Head of something that was once known as the Bahaist Movement. Since, clearly, he practiced a very different religion, Baha&#8217;is are free to ignore his advice (as, it seems, they usually do), but they might find something of value in his words, from time to time.</p>
<p>On the other hand, &#8220;have fun retards&#8221; seems to reflect the current articulation of the mainstream Baha&#8217;i Faith very well indeed. Thank you for continuing to enlighten the world with the splendor of the Faith.</p>
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		<title>By: P</title>
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		<dc:creator>P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 10:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will not go on cause its pointless
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Of course you won&#039;t go on 7dripdrops. &#039;Cause that&#039;s what most &quot;loyal&quot; Bahais do on these boards- hit and run. You can&#039;t make any real arguments to refute posts, so you get fed up and run back to your cozy, isolated communities where everybody pats each other on the back for a ruhi-job well-done. I have to admit though, yours was one of the quickest hit and runs I&#039;ve seen in a while. Surely Baquia must have an award for that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will not go on cause its pointless<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Of course you won&#8217;t go on 7dripdrops. &#8216;Cause that&#8217;s what most &#8220;loyal&#8221; Bahais do on these boards- hit and run. You can&#8217;t make any real arguments to refute posts, so you get fed up and run back to your cozy, isolated communities where everybody pats each other on the back for a ruhi-job well-done. I have to admit though, yours was one of the quickest hit and runs I&#8217;ve seen in a while. Surely Baquia must have an award for that!</p>
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		<title>By: Baquia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baquia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 05:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LoL

7raindrops, thanks for stopping by and gracing us with your charm. It seems that Ruhi definitely worked for you. Your capacity for empathy and unity seem to be at a bursting point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LoL</p>
<p>7raindrops, thanks for stopping by and gracing us with your charm. It seems that Ruhi definitely worked for you. Your capacity for empathy and unity seem to be at a bursting point.</p>
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		<title>By: sevenraindrops</title>
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		<dc:creator>sevenraindrops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are quite retarded, all of you. Im sorry, its just true. Oh wait, it seems you dont understand the point in ruhi either. In no place does it say Ruhi is supposed to bring masses to the faith, does it? Is it supposed to convert the world? no. Its a systematic way of deepening and learning to develop one´s capacities and skills. Period. I will not go on cause its pointless. Have fun retards :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are quite retarded, all of you. Im sorry, its just true. Oh wait, it seems you dont understand the point in ruhi either. In no place does it say Ruhi is supposed to bring masses to the faith, does it? Is it supposed to convert the world? no. Its a systematic way of deepening and learning to develop one´s capacities and skills. Period. I will not go on cause its pointless. Have fun retards <img src='http://bahairants.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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