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		<title>By: The Trouble with the World &#124; Baha'i Rants</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/the-biggest-mistake-bahais-make-254.html/comment-page-1#comment-67784</link>
		<dc:creator>The Trouble with the World &#124; Baha'i Rants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 04:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that we can simply put away questions and do without further investigation of truth is the biggest mistake that Baha&#8217;is make.   var addthis_pub = &#039;&#039;; var addthis_brand = &#039;Baha&#039;i Rants&#039;;var addthis_language = &#039;en&#039;;var [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that we can simply put away questions and do without further investigation of truth is the biggest mistake that Baha&#8217;is make.   var addthis_pub = &#39;&#39;; var addthis_brand = &#39;Baha&#39;i Rants&#39;;var addthis_language = &#39;en&#39;;var [...]</p>
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		<title>By: If Infallible, Why Do We Need to Elect the UHJ? at Baha&#8217;i Rants</title>
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		<dc:creator>If Infallible, Why Do We Need to Elect the UHJ? at Baha&#8217;i Rants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 07:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] For Pete&#8217;s sake! As Baha&#8217;is we have a whole month named after them&#8230; but how often do we really devote time and mental space to explore really good questions? Not enough. This is the biggest mistake that Baha&#8217;is make. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] For Pete&#8217;s sake! As Baha&#8217;is we have a whole month named after them&#8230; but how often do we really devote time and mental space to explore really good questions? Not enough. This is the biggest mistake that Baha&#8217;is make. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Is the Universal House of Justice Infallible? (part II) at Baha&#8217;i Rants</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is the Universal House of Justice Infallible? (part II) at Baha&#8217;i Rants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you are missing one of the most important and cherished characteristics of the Baha&#8217;i Faith: independant investigation of truth. And further, I&#8217;m saddened that you have not been able to cast aside the Shi&#8217;ite [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] you are missing one of the most important and cherished characteristics of the Baha&#8217;i Faith: independant investigation of truth. And further, I&#8217;m saddened that you have not been able to cast aside the Shi&#8217;ite [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Pre-Approved&#8221; Individual Investigation of Truth? at Baha&#8217;i Rants</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;Pre-Approved&#8221; Individual Investigation of Truth? at Baha&#8217;i Rants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Among the most powerful animating principles of the Baha&#8217;i Faith is the unfettered individual investigation of truth. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Among the most powerful animating principles of the Baha&#8217;i Faith is the unfettered individual investigation of truth. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bird out of the Cage</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/the-biggest-mistake-bahais-make-254.html/comment-page-1#comment-47729</link>
		<dc:creator>Bird out of the Cage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 07:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TY Baquia I really enjoyed the links to the squiggles.  I think my quest is to see where it has been interprted by a non-vested party.  But is was quite lovely viewing the site.  

You are an abundant resource.

Most sincerely</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TY Baquia I really enjoyed the links to the squiggles.  I think my quest is to see where it has been interprted by a non-vested party.  But is was quite lovely viewing the site.  </p>
<p>You are an abundant resource.</p>
<p>Most sincerely</p>
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		<title>By: Baquia</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/the-biggest-mistake-bahais-make-254.html/comment-page-1#comment-47714</link>
		<dc:creator>Baquia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 05:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BooC, the Baha&#039;i administration was put in place by Baha&#039;u&#039;llah, and refined by Abdu&#039;l-Baha and Shoghi Effendi. It serves a purposes, although not what most Baha&#039;is think it to be.

I&#039;m not sure what you mean by &quot;originals&quot;. Revelation writing was &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bahaullah.org/tablets/revelation-writing/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;illegible squiggles&lt;/a&gt; to all but Baha&#039;u&#039;llah&#039;s amanuensis. And even he couldn&#039;t read it sometimes!

We do have originals written by the Bab&#039;s own hand and Baha&#039;u&#039;llah also (as well as the Master). They are on display in the Archives and in a secure bunker-like archive underground underneath.

In any case, only those who read Arabic and Farsi could read the originals. Is this what you were asking? because I&#039;m not sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BooC, the Baha&#8217;i administration was put in place by Baha&#8217;u'llah, and refined by Abdu&#8217;l-Baha and Shoghi Effendi. It serves a purposes, although not what most Baha&#8217;is think it to be.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you mean by &#8220;originals&#8221;. Revelation writing was <a href="http://www.bahaullah.org/tablets/revelation-writing/" rel="nofollow">illegible squiggles</a> to all but Baha&#8217;u'llah&#8217;s amanuensis. And even he couldn&#8217;t read it sometimes!</p>
<p>We do have originals written by the Bab&#8217;s own hand and Baha&#8217;u'llah also (as well as the Master). They are on display in the Archives and in a secure bunker-like archive underground underneath.</p>
<p>In any case, only those who read Arabic and Farsi could read the originals. Is this what you were asking? because I&#8217;m not sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Bird out of the Cage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bird out of the Cage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 21:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Baquia for posting this link.

Does anyone have the answer to why there requires an AO?

How about where Baha&#039;u&#039;llah wrote something to the effect, &quot;My people shall call themselves Bahai&quot;?

Does anyone know why the actual writings are not published in originals, you know actual photo copies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Baquia for posting this link.</p>
<p>Does anyone have the answer to why there requires an AO?</p>
<p>How about where Baha&#8217;u'llah wrote something to the effect, &#8220;My people shall call themselves Bahai&#8221;?</p>
<p>Does anyone know why the actual writings are not published in originals, you know actual photo copies?</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 03:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m 44 and been a Baha&#039;i for 20 years. Played some roles in the admin order and outside it. Seen some arguments come and go, and some people to.

To me it&#039;s a matter of the Valleys - back to the question of the right/duty of independent search - Search/Love/Knowledge.... at first questions are all that matter and answers kind of don&#039;t; then *the* answer matters and the questions are meaningless; then questions and answers mutually evolve....  &quot;and enter The Valley of Knowledge and come out of doubt into certitude....&quot; If they now come out of doubt and into certitude they must have had doubts before. Searched but were impatient, loved but felt forgetfulness more than pain.... 

It&#039;s also described in the Valley of Unity - 

&quot;In sum, the differences in objects have now been made plain. Thus when the wayfarer gazeth only upon the place of appearance—that is, when he seeth only the many-colored globes—he beholdeth yellow and red and white; hence it is that conflict hath prevailed among the creatures, and a darksome dust from limited souls hath hid the world. And some do gaze upon the effulgence of the light; and some have drunk of the wine of oneness and these see nothing but the sun itself.

Thus, for that they move on these three differing planes, the understanding and the words of the wayfarers have differed; and hence the sign of conflict doth continually appear on earth. For some there are who dwell upon the plane of oneness and speak of that world, and some inhabit the realms of limitation, and some the grades of self, while others are completely veiled. Thus do the ignorant people of the day, who have no portion of the radiance of Divine Beauty, make certain claims, and in every age and cycle inflict on the people of the sea of oneness what they themselves deserve. “Should God punish men for their perverse doings, He would not leave on earth a moving thing! But to an appointed term doth He respite them….” &quot;

I see no reason the Baha&#039;i Faith would be exempt from this analysis. We are far form the Most Great Peace when something huge has to change. But we make that group effort with steps forward and back, dealing with where people are at and pushing onward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m 44 and been a Baha&#8217;i for 20 years. Played some roles in the admin order and outside it. Seen some arguments come and go, and some people to.</p>
<p>To me it&#8217;s a matter of the Valleys &#8211; back to the question of the right/duty of independent search &#8211; Search/Love/Knowledge&#8230;. at first questions are all that matter and answers kind of don&#8217;t; then *the* answer matters and the questions are meaningless; then questions and answers mutually evolve&#8230;.  &#8220;and enter The Valley of Knowledge and come out of doubt into certitude&#8230;.&#8221; If they now come out of doubt and into certitude they must have had doubts before. Searched but were impatient, loved but felt forgetfulness more than pain&#8230;. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s also described in the Valley of Unity &#8211; </p>
<p>&#8220;In sum, the differences in objects have now been made plain. Thus when the wayfarer gazeth only upon the place of appearance—that is, when he seeth only the many-colored globes—he beholdeth yellow and red and white; hence it is that conflict hath prevailed among the creatures, and a darksome dust from limited souls hath hid the world. And some do gaze upon the effulgence of the light; and some have drunk of the wine of oneness and these see nothing but the sun itself.</p>
<p>Thus, for that they move on these three differing planes, the understanding and the words of the wayfarers have differed; and hence the sign of conflict doth continually appear on earth. For some there are who dwell upon the plane of oneness and speak of that world, and some inhabit the realms of limitation, and some the grades of self, while others are completely veiled. Thus do the ignorant people of the day, who have no portion of the radiance of Divine Beauty, make certain claims, and in every age and cycle inflict on the people of the sea of oneness what they themselves deserve. “Should God punish men for their perverse doings, He would not leave on earth a moving thing! But to an appointed term doth He respite them….” &#8221;</p>
<p>I see no reason the Baha&#8217;i Faith would be exempt from this analysis. We are far form the Most Great Peace when something huge has to change. But we make that group effort with steps forward and back, dealing with where people are at and pushing onward.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig parke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig parke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 01:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steven,

Thanks for that link.

It looks very good.

I am very busy in my work right now  writing some pretty tricky Java objects that essentially not only make the lady and the tiger dsappear, but the stage, the audience, the city, the continent, and the hemisphere too and then make them re-appear essentially on another planet in space-time metaphorically speaking. So my mental energy is being pretty much used up every day by the time I get home. So it will take me a few days to read those essays. But I will and post back here some thoughts.

I feel you are a young man. The irony here I think is that I was once you. But I have been a Bahai&#039;s for 36 years now. I have seen too much staggering loss that can never be regained, recovered, or put back in any way. The system was a mystery and a cypher. And it still is to me. The depth psychologies involved are immense. Really archetypal and, therfore, of Cosmic proportions.

But I still feel that in the next 300-500 years there still could be a sea change in fortune on this planet as more and more people in all the electorates on Earth (including the Baha&#039;i electorate) understand depth psychology in power seekers, narcissists, passive-aggressive personalities, and obsessive-compulsive personalities before they go into a voting booth or vote in a Baha&#039;i election.

That level of psychological insight will eventually come for every man, woman, and child on this planet. And when it does only highly limited power will be given to very spiritually advanced adepts in life for very short highly fixed periods of time. And people will sense people&#039;s true motives with greater and greater acumen everywhere in the world. I think the Writings of Baha&#039;u&#039;llah clearly foretell this level of development appearing in human beings.

You write:

I would say “once you have found Baha’u’llah your search is over” is as true as “once you have found Baha’u’llah your search has just begun”.

Hummm. 

I will have to think about this.

Best regards,

Craig</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steven,</p>
<p>Thanks for that link.</p>
<p>It looks very good.</p>
<p>I am very busy in my work right now  writing some pretty tricky Java objects that essentially not only make the lady and the tiger dsappear, but the stage, the audience, the city, the continent, and the hemisphere too and then make them re-appear essentially on another planet in space-time metaphorically speaking. So my mental energy is being pretty much used up every day by the time I get home. So it will take me a few days to read those essays. But I will and post back here some thoughts.</p>
<p>I feel you are a young man. The irony here I think is that I was once you. But I have been a Bahai&#8217;s for 36 years now. I have seen too much staggering loss that can never be regained, recovered, or put back in any way. The system was a mystery and a cypher. And it still is to me. The depth psychologies involved are immense. Really archetypal and, therfore, of Cosmic proportions.</p>
<p>But I still feel that in the next 300-500 years there still could be a sea change in fortune on this planet as more and more people in all the electorates on Earth (including the Baha&#8217;i electorate) understand depth psychology in power seekers, narcissists, passive-aggressive personalities, and obsessive-compulsive personalities before they go into a voting booth or vote in a Baha&#8217;i election.</p>
<p>That level of psychological insight will eventually come for every man, woman, and child on this planet. And when it does only highly limited power will be given to very spiritually advanced adepts in life for very short highly fixed periods of time. And people will sense people&#8217;s true motives with greater and greater acumen everywhere in the world. I think the Writings of Baha&#8217;u'llah clearly foretell this level of development appearing in human beings.</p>
<p>You write:</p>
<p>I would say “once you have found Baha’u’llah your search is over” is as true as “once you have found Baha’u’llah your search has just begun”.</p>
<p>Hummm. </p>
<p>I will have to think about this.</p>
<p>Best regards,</p>
<p>Craig</p>
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