Nicholas,

The whole idea of "divine revelation" is a pure "middle man" SCAM that has only been perpetuated for reasons of "political expediency".

Judeo-Christian-Islamic culture, including bahai, simply seeks to turn the masses of people into "slaves of god" to be manipulated by elites whose egos are inflated far beyond any natural talent they might have in the areas of spirituality or enlightenment (much less government).

The impulse toward transcendence, the human yearning for meaning and belonging, love, compassion, beauty, truth, and the good, existed long before religion was "invented" by the so called "prophets".

Religion was simply a way to control people by scaring them into thinking that if they didn't allow priests to control irrigation canals in ancient times that some thundering sky god(s) would "zap" the "sinners" (non-conformists).

(Religion "appropriated" transcendence for economic, political and military reasons.)

Homosexuality amongst the "slaves of god" (the masses) was prohibited by the (wealthy) priestly elites (who themselves gladly paid for homo-sex) precisely because it was seen as a "competing" belief system based on "sex mystique". Same reason for (stupidly) "banning" worship of the "divine feminine".

The world is sick and tired of the kind of dreary stuff that bahai tradition tries to keep alive.

bahai will never be able to deliver on the promise of being a movement of spiritual transformation and healing if it doesn't THROW OUT THIS KIND OF JUNK in bahai scripture.

all of the resulting lies and deception doom bahai to be an irrelevant, dysfunctional attempt at building a "better bureaucratic mousetrap". mindless. heartless.

bye, bye!

–
http://www.bhavanasociety.org//main/quotes_full_p…

"There is, monks, an unborn, unbecome, unmade, unconditioned. If, monks, there were no unborn… no escape would be discerned from what is born, become, made, conditioned. But because there is an unborn…, therefore an escape is discerned from what is born, become, made, conditioned.”
~ The Buddha
Ud 8:3

Translator: Bhikkhu Bodhi
Udana 8:3

Nicholas,

The whole idea of "divine revelation" is a pure "middle man" SCAM that has only been perpetuated for reasons of "political expediency".

Judeo-Christian-Islamic culture, including bahai, simply seeks to turn the masses of people into "slaves of god" to be manipulated by elites whose egos are inflated far beyond any natural talent they might have in the areas of spirituality or enlightenment (much less government).

The impulse toward transcendence, the human yearning for meaning and belonging, love, compassion, beauty, truth, and the good, existed long before religion was "invented" by the so called "prophets".

Religion was simply a way to control people by scaring them into thinking that if they didn't allow priests to control irrigation canals in ancient times that some thundering sky god(s) would "zap" the "sinners" (non-conformists).

(Religion "appropriated" transcendence for economic, political and military reasons.)

Homosexuality amongst the "slaves of god" (the masses) was prohibited by the (wealthy) priestly elites (who themselves gladly paid for homo-sex) precisely because it was seen as a "competing" belief system based on "sex mystique". Same reason for (stupidly) "banning" worship of the "divine feminine".

The world is sick and tired of the kind of dreary stuff that bahai tradition tries to keep alive.

bahai will never be able to deliver on the promise of being a movement of spiritual transformation and healing if it doesn't THROW OUT THIS KIND OF JUNK in bahai scripture.

all of the resulting lies and deception doom bahai to be an irrelevant, dysfunctional attempt at building a "better bureaucratic mousetrap". mindless. heartless.

bye, bye!

–
http://www.bhavanasociety.org//main/quotes_full_p…

"There is, monks, an unborn, unbecome, unmade, unconditioned. If, monks, there were no unborn… no escape would be discerned from what is born, become, made, conditioned. But because there is an unborn…, therefore an escape is discerned from what is born, become, made, conditioned.”
~ The Buddha
Ud 8:3

Translator: Bhikkhu Bodhi
Udana 8:3

New discoveries or cultural perceptions will not be problematic for Baha'is. On the contrary, as the Baha'i Faith expands and becomes a state religion in country after country, the position of people around the world will change. Methods, whether psychological or medical will be devised so that homosexuality, among many other disorders, can be finally eradicated.

Those that believe that homosexuality will ever be welcomed into the Baha'i community, or that the infallible House of Justice will change its position, are fooling themselves. They are choosing their own passions over the revelations of God. Religious morality will always be conservative. To think that the House can give up Shoghi Effendi's interpretations is foolish. Whether or not members of the House are "open-minded", the House is inspired by Baha'u'llah, not by the inclinations of its members. Whoever the members of the House are, it would make the same decision. The law against homosexuality will never change, not in this Revelation, not in any Revelation throughout all time.

New discoveries or cultural perceptions will not be problematic for Baha'is. On the contrary, as the Baha'i Faith expands and becomes a state religion in country after country, the position of people around the world will change. Methods, whether psychological or medical will be devised so that homosexuality, among many other disorders, can be finally eradicated.

Those that believe that homosexuality will ever be welcomed into the Baha'i community, or that the infallible House of Justice will change its position, are fooling themselves. They are choosing their own passions over the revelations of God. Religious morality will always be conservative. To think that the House can give up Shoghi Effendi's interpretations is foolish. Whether or not members of the House are "open-minded", the House is inspired by Baha'u'llah, not by the inclinations of its members. Whoever the members of the House are, it would make the same decision. The law against homosexuality will never change, not in this Revelation, not in any Revelation throughout all time.