Comments on: The Concept of Infallibility In The Baha’i Faith http://bahairants.com/the-concept-of-infallibility-in-the-bahai-faith-399.html A personal Baha'i blog. Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:22:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Introduction at Baha’i Rants http://bahairants.com/the-concept-of-infallibility-in-the-bahai-faith-399.html#comment-45547 Introduction at Baha’i Rants Sat, 15 Mar 2008 04:30:50 +0000 http://bahairants.com/the-concept-of-infallibility-in-the-bahai-faith-399.html#comment-45547 [...] on so many aspects of our community. I believe deepening on the meaning and significance of ‘infallibility‘ - in the context of the language and culture that it was used - would go towards removing [...] […] on so many aspects of our community. I believe deepening on the meaning and significance of ‘infallibility‘ - in the context of the language and culture that it was used - would go towards removing […]

]]> By: LA Class Newsletter [#31] http://bahairants.com/the-concept-of-infallibility-in-the-bahai-faith-399.html#comment-39946 LA Class Newsletter [#31] Thu, 03 Jan 2008 00:59:09 +0000 http://bahairants.com/the-concept-of-infallibility-in-the-bahai-faith-399.html#comment-39946 [...] provide some sort of infallible oracle to which one can put all questions for the final [...] […] provide some sort of infallible oracle to which one can put all questions for the final […]

]]> By: Fritz Gormann http://bahairants.com/the-concept-of-infallibility-in-the-bahai-faith-399.html#comment-35689 Fritz Gormann Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:37:47 +0000 http://bahairants.com/the-concept-of-infallibility-in-the-bahai-faith-399.html#comment-35689 Abdul-Baha allow some men to have 3 wives after he said this. Don't know where I read it, probebly on the BahaiRant pages what a great Blob that is. Why say one thing then allow an other. Like no women on the uhj and inhardence largest share going to man. Equality of Men and women? Fritz Abdul-Baha allow some men to have 3 wives after he said this.
Don’t know where I read it, probebly on the BahaiRant pages what a great Blob that is.

Why say one thing then allow an other.

Like no women on the uhj and inhardence largest share going to man.

Equality of Men and women?

Fritz

]]> By: Baquia http://bahairants.com/the-concept-of-infallibility-in-the-bahai-faith-399.html#comment-35673 Baquia Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:58:37 +0000 http://bahairants.com/the-concept-of-infallibility-in-the-bahai-faith-399.html#comment-35673 Peyamb, Abdu'l-Baha was the interpreter, however it defies logic that one would interpret something to mean its opposite. The Master's guidance regarding this topic is misunderstood. What you've written is what most Baha'is are taught. Yet it is wrong. The truth is a <a href="http://bahairants.com/its-a-little-known-fact-4-132-132.html" rel="nofollow">"Little known fact"</a> !! Peyamb,
Abdu’l-Baha was the interpreter, however it defies logic that one would interpret something to mean its opposite. The Master’s guidance regarding this topic is misunderstood. What you’ve written is what most Baha’is are taught. Yet it is wrong.

The truth is a “Little known fact” !!

]]> By: Peyamb http://bahairants.com/the-concept-of-infallibility-in-the-bahai-faith-399.html#comment-35665 Peyamb Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:57:45 +0000 http://bahairants.com/the-concept-of-infallibility-in-the-bahai-faith-399.html#comment-35665 Bahaullah said two wives max, but conditional on treating both equally. Abdul-Baha explained that Bahaullah was stating the impossible- that you could not treat to people 100% equally in such a relationship as marriage, therefore Bahaullah was really promoting monogomy. I think it had to do also with the crowd that Bahaullah spoke to. To propose monogomy at that time would have been suicide for his young Faith. The Bahai Faith was mean to be a dynamic religion that adapts to needs of the times- with official interpreters. That's what I loved about the Faith. Unfortunately, it has become totally stagnant now. Bahaullah said two wives max, but conditional on treating both equally. Abdul-Baha explained that Bahaullah was stating the impossible- that you could not treat to people 100% equally in such a relationship as marriage, therefore Bahaullah was really promoting monogomy. I think it had to do also with the crowd that Bahaullah spoke to. To propose monogomy at that time would have been suicide for his young Faith. The Bahai Faith was mean to be a dynamic religion that adapts to needs of the times- with official interpreters. That’s what I loved about the Faith. Unfortunately, it has become totally stagnant now.

]]> By: Fritz Gormann http://bahairants.com/the-concept-of-infallibility-in-the-bahai-faith-399.html#comment-35634 Fritz Gormann Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:36:54 +0000 http://bahairants.com/the-concept-of-infallibility-in-the-bahai-faith-399.html#comment-35634 The UHJ is elected by whom. They can elect anyone they want and they have infallibility, in the Baha'i way. Why doesn't the people who elect the UHJ ever elect andone who is just an average person? I hear that there is a list of Preffered people, men ofcourse who should be considered first. They are all on the ITC, I looks like we have a fork in the road and one way is the ITC Faith and the other is the Baha'i Faith. It looks like the Baha'i Faith path isn't crowed anymore. Fritz The UHJ is elected by whom.
They can elect anyone they want and they have infallibility, in the Baha’i way.

Why doesn’t the people who elect the UHJ ever elect andone who is just an average person?

I hear that there is a list of Preffered people, men ofcourse who should be considered first.

They are all on the ITC, I looks like we have a fork in the road and one way is the ITC Faith and the other is the Baha’i Faith.

It looks like the Baha’i Faith path isn’t crowed anymore.

Fritz

]]> By: Fritz Gormann http://bahairants.com/the-concept-of-infallibility-in-the-bahai-faith-399.html#comment-35450 Fritz Gormann Fri, 19 Oct 2007 16:11:09 +0000 http://bahairants.com/the-concept-of-infallibility-in-the-bahai-faith-399.html#comment-35450 Some where Baha-u-llah said how many wifes? Abdul-Baha said no he ment only one wife. Was he wrong or was he mistaken Fritz Some where Baha-u-llah said how many wifes?

Abdul-Baha said no he ment only one wife.

Was he wrong or was he mistaken

Fritz

]]> By: Peyamb http://bahairants.com/the-concept-of-infallibility-in-the-bahai-faith-399.html#comment-35397 Peyamb Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:59:55 +0000 http://bahairants.com/the-concept-of-infallibility-in-the-bahai-faith-399.html#comment-35397 Hi Adib. Your opinion is worthwhile. The only problem is that in the Bahai community Baquia's opinion would not be worthwhile. Actually they probably would be shot down and he would be forced to leave. Probably he would be made uncomfortable enough by people suggesting that "he is not sure of his belief in the Faith". I'm assuming you are of Persian decent, well so am I. I've never understood why Iranian believers must deify Bahaullah. When Baha spoke of his powers, he was speaking of God- not the human being. He was also a man- who smoked tobacco, who married 3 women and you know who may very well have made some comments that are scientifically/historically incorrect. Given that most of his comments were directed to ignorant people in his day and age. So if proof is found that there is a scientific booboo in some of Bahaullah's words- woudl that end your Faith? It wouldn't harm mine. Hi Adib. Your opinion is worthwhile. The only problem is that in the Bahai community Baquia’s opinion would not be worthwhile. Actually they probably would be shot down and he would be forced to leave. Probably he would be made uncomfortable enough by people suggesting that “he is not sure of his belief in the Faith”. I’m assuming you are of Persian decent, well so am I. I’ve never understood why Iranian believers must deify Bahaullah. When Baha spoke of his powers, he was speaking of God- not the human being. He was also a man- who smoked tobacco, who married 3 women and you know who may very well have made some comments that are scientifically/historically incorrect. Given that most of his comments were directed to ignorant people in his day and age. So if proof is found that there is a scientific booboo in some of Bahaullah’s words- woudl that end your Faith? It wouldn’t harm mine.

]]> By: Keyvan http://bahairants.com/the-concept-of-infallibility-in-the-bahai-faith-399.html#comment-35168 Keyvan Sun, 14 Oct 2007 19:01:28 +0000 http://bahairants.com/the-concept-of-infallibility-in-the-bahai-faith-399.html#comment-35168 I think my response can best be summed by excerpting a talk by Peter Khan "Another intriguing form of questioning that's becoming more prevalent in the present day concerns the word "infallible". And this is a very interesting way to try and erode the authority of the House of Justice, because "infallible" is a pretty bad word - you know, nobody likes to talk about things that are infallible or individuals who claim infallibility, it's sort of an unsavoury concept. So in that sense, one of the forms of opposition at the moment that's being spread in a clandestine way, is to say: well, the word is mistranslated, it really doesn't mean "infallible", it means "immaculate" in terms of integrity, or sinlessness, or freedom from moral stain or anything like that, and that somehow these folk in Haifa have taken it to be "infallible" and they go around sort of parading up and down the place saying that they're free from error in their decisions. And the problem with that school of thought, whether you can speak Arabic or Persian or Turkish or any language at all, the problem is that Shoghi Effendi has, as authorised interpreter, used the word infallible over and over again, explaining that he means this, even though it doesn't mean that, and so on and so forth. So one then has to tackle Shoghi Effendi, and that leads you then to have to tackle what Abdu'l-Baha said about Shoghi Effendi and his authority as interpreter in the Will and Testament, and then you have to deal with Abdu'l-Baha and so it goes on. So, these are issues that I think we need at least a few friends, if not as many as possible, in the community to be very clear on so they can be a help and a guide to the other believers when these sorts of issues become prevalent, because they become the basis for assertions attempting to erode the authority of the House of Justice. " Talk by Peter Khan: New Zealand National Teaching Conference, June, 2000 http://bahaistudies.net/khan.html I think my response can best be summed by excerpting a talk by Peter Khan

“Another intriguing form of questioning that’s becoming more prevalent in the present day concerns the word “infallible”. And this is a very interesting way to try and erode the authority of the House of Justice, because “infallible” is a pretty bad word - you know, nobody likes to talk about things that are infallible or individuals who claim infallibility, it’s sort of an unsavoury concept. So in that sense, one of the forms of opposition at the moment that’s being spread in a clandestine way, is to say: well, the word is mistranslated, it really doesn’t mean “infallible”, it means “immaculate” in terms of integrity, or sinlessness, or freedom from moral stain or anything like that, and that somehow these folk in Haifa have taken it to be “infallible” and they go around sort of parading up and down the place saying that they’re free from error in their decisions. And the problem with that school of thought, whether you can speak Arabic or Persian or Turkish or any language at all, the problem is that Shoghi Effendi has, as authorised interpreter, used the word infallible over and over again, explaining that he means this, even though it doesn’t mean that, and so on and so forth. So one then has to tackle Shoghi Effendi, and that leads you then to have to tackle what Abdu’l-Baha said about Shoghi Effendi and his authority as interpreter in the Will and Testament, and then you have to deal with Abdu’l-Baha and so it goes on. So, these are issues that I think we need at least a few friends, if not as many as possible, in the community to be very clear on so they can be a help and a guide to the other believers when these sorts of issues become prevalent, because they become the basis for assertions attempting to erode the authority of the House of Justice. “

Talk by Peter Khan: New Zealand National Teaching Conference, June, 2000
http://bahaistudies.net/khan.html

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