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		<title>By: Bird</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no justice left in this world.  Indeed it sounds unfair to utter such a statement but show me some and I&#039;ll start believing in it again.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;PS Baquia- I miss you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no justice left in this world.  Indeed it sounds unfair to utter such a statement but show me some and I&#39;ll start believing in it again.</p>
<p>PS Baquia- I miss you</p>
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		<title>By: AmadodeDios</title>
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		<dc:creator>AmadodeDios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 07:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a shameful travesty of justice, the Iranian court has been doing its best / worst with our Yaran friends. We have prayed, written countless letters, and expected something more sensible, but they refuse to budge – their word is the last word.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Some of the Star chamber are already angry at me for suggesting that sometimes one doesn’t make the right decision perfectly the first time, and asking them to adjust their actions to make them fairer (more “just”), just as they visibly revise their own plans and systems. If I venture to draw any parallels between these two cases of injustice, they will surely be even angrier – and of course, ruder in person.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, I think one comparison might be made. When Persian Bahá’ís are jailed under trumped-up charges and denied any recourse, what is our reaction? Do we say “Good for them! They get to suffer and become more spiritual!” Do we reflect that if they had just kept a lower profile and inspired less envy among the mediocre, they might be “free” today? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Actually, who knows what goes through anyone else’s mind, but I suspect that these “central ornaments”, like anyone else who cares about other people, and about justice, want to do what they can to find justice for these unfairly treated people, punished on the basis of lies.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, for those of us who are victims of “infallible” rulings, the best we get is the interesting opportunity to learn from the results of unjust (and un-appealable) mistreatment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a shameful travesty of justice, the Iranian court has been doing its best / worst with our Yaran friends. We have prayed, written countless letters, and expected something more sensible, but they refuse to budge – their word is the last word.</p>
<p>Some of the Star chamber are already angry at me for suggesting that sometimes one doesn’t make the right decision perfectly the first time, and asking them to adjust their actions to make them fairer (more “just”), just as they visibly revise their own plans and systems. If I venture to draw any parallels between these two cases of injustice, they will surely be even angrier – and of course, ruder in person.</p>
<p>However, I think one comparison might be made. When Persian Bahá’ís are jailed under trumped-up charges and denied any recourse, what is our reaction? Do we say “Good for them! They get to suffer and become more spiritual!” Do we reflect that if they had just kept a lower profile and inspired less envy among the mediocre, they might be “free” today? </p>
<p>Actually, who knows what goes through anyone else’s mind, but I suspect that these “central ornaments”, like anyone else who cares about other people, and about justice, want to do what they can to find justice for these unfairly treated people, punished on the basis of lies.</p>
<p>However, for those of us who are victims of “infallible” rulings, the best we get is the interesting opportunity to learn from the results of unjust (and un-appealable) mistreatment.</p>
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		<title>By: wahidazal66</title>
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		<dc:creator>wahidazal66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 01:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Democratic Imperialism”: Tibet, China &amp; the National Endowment for Democracy (2007)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/democratic-imperialism-tibet-china-the-national-endowment-for-democracy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Project For A New American Humanitarianism&lt;br&gt;Olympian Ambitions from Darfur to Tibet and Beijing &lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.swans.com/library/art14/barker04.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.swans.com/library/art14/barker04.html&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Democratic Imperialism”: Tibet, China &#038; the National Endowment for Democracy (2007)</p>
<p><a href="http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/democratic-imperialism-tibet-china-the-national-endowment-for-democracy/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/.." rel="nofollow">http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/..</a>.</p>
<p>The Project For A New American Humanitarianism<br />Olympian Ambitions from Darfur to Tibet and Beijing <br /><a href="http://www.swans.com/library/art14/barker04.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.swans.com/library/art14/barker04.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: wahidazal66</title>
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		<dc:creator>wahidazal66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 01:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t mind posting my email here: &lt;a href=&quot;mailto:wahidazal66@gmail.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wahidazal66@gmail.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Don&#039;t worry, old friend. I won&#039;t be feeding you any conspiracy theories about Reptilians or the Rothschild domination of the world or even anything about Bohemian Grove and the Federal Reserve. We are talking about good old fashioned &quot;special interest&quot; big money politiking and the plutocratic &#039;agenda&#039; manipulation in purportedly democratic systems and the money behind such endeavours. Ever heard about the NED (National Endowment for Democracy)? They are to Neo-Liberals what the Project for a New American Century is/was to Neo-Cons.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Baha&#039;i culture, I would argue, went down the drain long, long ago, before even Cole, Walbridge and talisman1. But there are forces in your country and in Western Europe who are indeed using the Haifan organization - as well as the entire human rights regime - for their own largely economic and geopolitical purposes, since human rights itself has lately become a big business money making enterprise just like anything else, not about saving lives nor advocating against tyrants of the left or the right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t mind posting my email here: <a href="mailto:wahidazal66@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">wahidazal66@gmail.com</a></p>
<p>Don&#39;t worry, old friend. I won&#39;t be feeding you any conspiracy theories about Reptilians or the Rothschild domination of the world or even anything about Bohemian Grove and the Federal Reserve. We are talking about good old fashioned &#8220;special interest&#8221; big money politiking and the plutocratic &#39;agenda&#39; manipulation in purportedly democratic systems and the money behind such endeavours. Ever heard about the NED (National Endowment for Democracy)? They are to Neo-Liberals what the Project for a New American Century is/was to Neo-Cons.</p>
<p>The Baha&#39;i culture, I would argue, went down the drain long, long ago, before even Cole, Walbridge and talisman1. But there are forces in your country and in Western Europe who are indeed using the Haifan organization &#8211; as well as the entire human rights regime &#8211; for their own largely economic and geopolitical purposes, since human rights itself has lately become a big business money making enterprise just like anything else, not about saving lives nor advocating against tyrants of the left or the right.</p>
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		<title>By: fubar</title>
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		<dc:creator>fubar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wahid/Nima,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I can take small doses of conspiracy theory, but that is about all.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;iirc, I was booted off T2000 for questioning the PC/left status quo, academic elitism... and so forth.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is ironic that the BAO is represented in the institutions you mention, while at the same time, the bahai institutions are going into the toilet. such is the world of postmodern &quot;style/image over substance&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Please feel free to get baquia to give you my email address, or forward yours to mine, etc. whatever works.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wahid/Nima,</p>
<p>I can take small doses of conspiracy theory, but that is about all.</p>
<p>iirc, I was booted off T2000 for questioning the PC/left status quo, academic elitism&#8230; and so forth.</p>
<p>It is ironic that the BAO is represented in the institutions you mention, while at the same time, the bahai institutions are going into the toilet. such is the world of postmodern &#8220;style/image over substance&#8221;.</p>
<p>Please feel free to get baquia to give you my email address, or forward yours to mine, etc. whatever works.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: wahidazal66</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/the-trouble-with-the-world-363.html/comment-page-4#comment-68397</link>
		<dc:creator>wahidazal66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;if, as farhans says, the ruhist PK-inspired bahais have increased by 2 million in the last several years, people need to think about organizing a larger scale of resistance to the evils of the current, corrupt bahai system - beyond the current blog-resistance.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Fubar, my old &lt;a href=&quot;mailto:talisman@indiana.edu&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;talisman@indiana.edu&lt;/a&gt; mate! My how father/mother time changes things. Where were you 9 years ago when I started saying these things blatantly, unashamedly and explicitly all over public Baha&#039;i cyberspace? Remember T2000 and Ian Kluge? What happened to you?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Anyway, you may be happy to know that such a resistance is already fully in organized progress. We are also not dealing with braindead Ruhi-drones. We are also dealing with cynical career plutocrats who are positioning themselves in private and public international institutions everywhere, be it the media, the global banking system or the government bureaucracies of Western governments. Add to that the fact that the Haifan BAO has a lot of money and investment at its disposal, not to mention that  in Washington DC and Londonthey are behaving more and more as a full blown lobby group and PAC, and you are dealing with a menace that needs to be checked -- and soon! -- in a far more decisive manner than just blowing off steam on internet chat boards.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I give you one example of the kind of political skullduddgery that the Haifan BAO has been involved with on the international scene, and that, is the Egyptian ID case. The Liberals here might shed their bleeding hearts for their Egyptian comrades, but when you delve into the actual configurations of this case certain glaring and sinister discrepancies jump out.  That BAO managed through its intense lobbying efforts from behind the scenes to twist the arm of both the ostensibly sovereign Egyptian government and judicial system says volumes about the kind of raw power and global political manipulation these people are positioning themselves to accomplish.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Do drop me a private line sometime, bro. We have a LOT -- and I mean a LOT! -- to catch up on. It delights the heart (and gives me infinite satisfaction) to see where you are at these days; and, as you know well, I always liked the heck of you.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Keep socking it to &#039;em, dude, and let me hear from your good self sometime...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Tintin, Snowy, Captain Haddock, Professor Calculus and the Thompson Twins ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;if, as farhans says, the ruhist PK-inspired bahais have increased by 2 million in the last several years, people need to think about organizing a larger scale of resistance to the evils of the current, corrupt bahai system &#8211; beyond the current blog-resistance.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fubar, my old <a href="mailto:talisman@indiana.edu" rel="nofollow">talisman@indiana.edu</a> mate! My how father/mother time changes things. Where were you 9 years ago when I started saying these things blatantly, unashamedly and explicitly all over public Baha&#39;i cyberspace? Remember T2000 and Ian Kluge? What happened to you?</p>
<p>Anyway, you may be happy to know that such a resistance is already fully in organized progress. We are also not dealing with braindead Ruhi-drones. We are also dealing with cynical career plutocrats who are positioning themselves in private and public international institutions everywhere, be it the media, the global banking system or the government bureaucracies of Western governments. Add to that the fact that the Haifan BAO has a lot of money and investment at its disposal, not to mention that  in Washington DC and Londonthey are behaving more and more as a full blown lobby group and PAC, and you are dealing with a menace that needs to be checked &#8212; and soon! &#8212; in a far more decisive manner than just blowing off steam on internet chat boards.</p>
<p>I give you one example of the kind of political skullduddgery that the Haifan BAO has been involved with on the international scene, and that, is the Egyptian ID case. The Liberals here might shed their bleeding hearts for their Egyptian comrades, but when you delve into the actual configurations of this case certain glaring and sinister discrepancies jump out.  That BAO managed through its intense lobbying efforts from behind the scenes to twist the arm of both the ostensibly sovereign Egyptian government and judicial system says volumes about the kind of raw power and global political manipulation these people are positioning themselves to accomplish.</p>
<p>Do drop me a private line sometime, bro. We have a LOT &#8212; and I mean a LOT! &#8212; to catch up on. It delights the heart (and gives me infinite satisfaction) to see where you are at these days; and, as you know well, I always liked the heck of you.</p>
<p>Keep socking it to &#39;em, dude, and let me hear from your good self sometime&#8230;</p>
<p>Tintin, Snowy, Captain Haddock, Professor Calculus and the Thompson Twins <img src='http://bahairants.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: wahidazal66</title>
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		<dc:creator>wahidazal66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Interesting, Fubar, but your spiritual fiction film is way out of reality. Have you seen one locality or site on internet where Baha&#039;is waste their time harassing or “making war” against other believers, non believers or ex-believers?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, I can name a few: Talk.Religion.Bahai on USENET, Iranian.Com, etc.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You do live in la-la land as Fubar asserts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Interesting, Fubar, but your spiritual fiction film is way out of reality. Have you seen one locality or site on internet where Baha&#39;is waste their time harassing or “making war” against other believers, non believers or ex-believers?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, I can name a few: Talk.Religion.Bahai on USENET, Iranian.Com, etc.</p>
<p>You do live in la-la land as Fubar asserts.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Parke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Parke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 01:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know how to use the &quot;Reply&quot; button on the Disqus page when I am trying to reply to one of you? Do you have to have an account to login to reply that way? I will tell you right now, I don&#039;t like this Disqus thing! It seems totally Orwellian. I post in various places on many different topics (mostly economics) and I don&#039;t want people following me all over the Web! I don&#039;t like this thing at all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know how to use the &#8220;Reply&#8221; button on the Disqus page when I am trying to reply to one of you? Do you have to have an account to login to reply that way? I will tell you right now, I don&#39;t like this Disqus thing! It seems totally Orwellian. I post in various places on many different topics (mostly economics) and I don&#39;t want people following me all over the Web! I don&#39;t like this thing at all!</p>
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		<title>By: Concourse on Low</title>
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		<dc:creator>Concourse on Low</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 05:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had never heard of Beaky Buzzard. Thanks for the introduction. That was actually pretty friggin&#039; funny! &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yeah, that sort of stubborn dopiness is the product of certainty-mongering. In contrast to the religious believer, we seek to operate in a provisional, tentative way, prepared to change our beliefs in the light of new evidence, ideally at least. The religious believer only seeks the psychological comfort of certainty. Everything else be damned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had never heard of Beaky Buzzard. Thanks for the introduction. That was actually pretty friggin&#39; funny! </p>
<p>Yeah, that sort of stubborn dopiness is the product of certainty-mongering. In contrast to the religious believer, we seek to operate in a provisional, tentative way, prepared to change our beliefs in the light of new evidence, ideally at least. The religious believer only seeks the psychological comfort of certainty. Everything else be damned.</p>
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