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		<title>By: Wahid Azal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wahid Azal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 02:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emphasis on _claim_. </description>
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		<title>By: Stephen Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 21:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does this count as a form of liberal Christianity?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Christianity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_libertarianism

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this count as a form of liberal Christianity?</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Christianity" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_Christianity</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_libertarianism" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_libertarianism</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Gray</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/the-trouble-with-the-world-363.html/comment-page-4#comment-83460</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 21:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Technically, there are only bureaucrats who claim to administer on behalf of God.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Technically, there are only bureaucrats who claim to administer on behalf of God.  </p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 21:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are such a thing as Old Catholics and Traditionalist Catholics that are an exception to that. </description>
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		<title>By: Craig Parke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Parke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 01:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what do you think is the future course of the Baha&#039;i Faith?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what do you think is the future course of the Baha&#8217;i Faith?</p>
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		<title>By: Roosterpen</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/the-trouble-with-the-world-363.html/comment-page-4#comment-83452</link>
		<dc:creator>Roosterpen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 16:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well look. I think what you are saying is you and others know better than a Body divinely guided by the Bab and Baha&#039;u&#039;llah! This is what the Baha&#039;i Covenant says about it and those who cannot accept it should revaluate whether they want to be Baha&#039;is or not, You&#039;re membership is voluntary so you&#039;re free to leave if you decide you don&#039;t want to agree with the Covenant but coming here and trying to discredit the Covenant is sinister.

Humanity has never ever had an Infallible Body to guide it nor past religions and look at the mess they&#039;re in  because of that. In the Most Holy Book Baha&#039;u&#039;llah said that in some cases He allowed freedom and in others forbade it. We are not free as Baha&#039;is to do a lot of harmful things and one of them is to challenge the Covenant. If we don&#039;t or can&#039;t accept that then we should do the honest thing an resign.

&quot;The sacred and youthful Branch, the Guardian of the Cause of God, as well as 
the Universal House of Justice to be universally elected and established, are 
both under the care and protection of the Abhá Beauty, under the shelter and 
unerring guidance of the Exalted One (the Báb) (may my life be offered up for 
them both). Whatsoever they decide is of God.&quot; 

(Shoghi Effendi: World Order of 
Bahá&#039;u&#039;lláh, p. 149)

Now Whatsoever they decide is of GOD. FULL STOP. The Ruhi Courses are of GOD. The advice they give is of GOD. This is what the Centre of the Covenant tells us. So you&#039;re ideas and interpreations and arguments are better than ones GOD revelas through the House of Justice?

This is the Covenant which Bahá&#039;u&#039;lláh made. If a person shall deviate, he is 
not acceptable at the Threshold of Bahá&#039;u&#039;lláh. In case of differences, 
Abdu&#039;l-Baha must be consulted. They must revolve around his good pleasure. After 
Abdu&#039;l-Baha, whenever the Universal House of Justice is organized it will ward 
off differences. 

(&#039;Abdu&#039;l-Baha: The Covenant, p. 
117)

The House of Justice has the last say and those who disagree and try to infer error or cast doubt on the clear Infallibility of the House of Justice are according to Abdul-Baha &#039;not acceptable at the Threshold of Baha&#039;u&#039;llah.


Unto the Most Holy  Book every one must turn, and all that is not expressly recorded  therein must be referred to the Universal House of Justice.   That which this body, whether unanimously or by a majority  doth carry, that is verily the truth and the purpose of God  Himself.  Whoso doth deviate therefrom is verily of them that  love discord, hath shown forth malice, and turned away from  the Lord of the Covenant (Will and Testament)

and 

Beware lest anyone falsely interpret these words, and like unto them that have broken the  Covenant after the Day of Ascension (of Bahá’u’lláh) advance  a pretext, raise the standard of revolt, wax stubborn and open  wide the door of false interpretation.  To none is given the right  to put forth his own opinion or express his particular conviction.   All must seek guidance and turn unto the Center of the Cause  and the House of Justice.  And he that turneth unto whatsoever  else is indeed in grievous error.  	

What&#039;s going on here is not the independent investigation of truth but opposition to the Covenant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well look. I think what you are saying is you and others know better than a Body divinely guided by the Bab and Baha&#8217;u'llah! This is what the Baha&#8217;i Covenant says about it and those who cannot accept it should revaluate whether they want to be Baha&#8217;is or not, You&#8217;re membership is voluntary so you&#8217;re free to leave if you decide you don&#8217;t want to agree with the Covenant but coming here and trying to discredit the Covenant is sinister.</p>
<p>Humanity has never ever had an Infallible Body to guide it nor past religions and look at the mess they&#8217;re in  because of that. In the Most Holy Book Baha&#8217;u'llah said that in some cases He allowed freedom and in others forbade it. We are not free as Baha&#8217;is to do a lot of harmful things and one of them is to challenge the Covenant. If we don&#8217;t or can&#8217;t accept that then we should do the honest thing an resign.</p>
<p>&#8220;The sacred and youthful Branch, the Guardian of the Cause of God, as well as<br />
the Universal House of Justice to be universally elected and established, are<br />
both under the care and protection of the Abhá Beauty, under the shelter and<br />
unerring guidance of the Exalted One (the Báb) (may my life be offered up for<br />
them both). Whatsoever they decide is of God.&#8221; </p>
<p>(Shoghi Effendi: World Order of<br />
Bahá&#8217;u'lláh, p. 149)</p>
<p>Now Whatsoever they decide is of GOD. FULL STOP. The Ruhi Courses are of GOD. The advice they give is of GOD. This is what the Centre of the Covenant tells us. So you&#8217;re ideas and interpreations and arguments are better than ones GOD revelas through the House of Justice?</p>
<p>This is the Covenant which Bahá&#8217;u'lláh made. If a person shall deviate, he is<br />
not acceptable at the Threshold of Bahá&#8217;u'lláh. In case of differences,<br />
Abdu&#8217;l-Baha must be consulted. They must revolve around his good pleasure. After<br />
Abdu&#8217;l-Baha, whenever the Universal House of Justice is organized it will ward<br />
off differences. </p>
<p>(&#8216;Abdu&#8217;l-Baha: The Covenant, p.<br />
117)</p>
<p>The House of Justice has the last say and those who disagree and try to infer error or cast doubt on the clear Infallibility of the House of Justice are according to Abdul-Baha &#8216;not acceptable at the Threshold of Baha&#8217;u'llah.</p>
<p>Unto the Most Holy  Book every one must turn, and all that is not expressly recorded  therein must be referred to the Universal House of Justice.   That which this body, whether unanimously or by a majority  doth carry, that is verily the truth and the purpose of God  Himself.  Whoso doth deviate therefrom is verily of them that  love discord, hath shown forth malice, and turned away from  the Lord of the Covenant (Will and Testament)</p>
<p>and </p>
<p>Beware lest anyone falsely interpret these words, and like unto them that have broken the  Covenant after the Day of Ascension (of Bahá’u’lláh) advance  a pretext, raise the standard of revolt, wax stubborn and open  wide the door of false interpretation.  To none is given the right  to put forth his own opinion or express his particular conviction.   All must seek guidance and turn unto the Center of the Cause  and the House of Justice.  And he that turneth unto whatsoever  else is indeed in grievous error.  	</p>
<p>What&#8217;s going on here is not the independent investigation of truth but opposition to the Covenant.</p>
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		<title>By: Fubar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fubar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 13:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sar-Mad,

You said: &quot;I&#039;m certainly suffering pain and distress in reading all this appalling contention. &quot; 

You should talk to someone that understands treatment of the psychology (psychopathology) of religious brainwashing, you will do damage to many people&#039;s lives until you become a real human being again.

What you believe in is a large pile of garbage wrapped in illusions that on the surface are appealing utopianisms. bahaism is a trap for weak minds. Make you mind strong, reject dysfunctional religion and make a real contribution to improving the world, your family, etc.

there are many many many groups that help people find authentic forms of spiritual transformation, break out of the mental and psychological prison that bahaism has held you in. become a real human being, and learn how to be decent, compassionate and altruistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sar-Mad,</p>
<p>You said: &#8220;I&#8217;m certainly suffering pain and distress in reading all this appalling contention. &#8221; </p>
<p>You should talk to someone that understands treatment of the psychology (psychopathology) of religious brainwashing, you will do damage to many people&#8217;s lives until you become a real human being again.</p>
<p>What you believe in is a large pile of garbage wrapped in illusions that on the surface are appealing utopianisms. bahaism is a trap for weak minds. Make you mind strong, reject dysfunctional religion and make a real contribution to improving the world, your family, etc.</p>
<p>there are many many many groups that help people find authentic forms of spiritual transformation, break out of the mental and psychological prison that bahaism has held you in. become a real human being, and learn how to be decent, compassionate and altruistic.</p>
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		<title>By: Fubar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fubar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 13:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> Sar-Mad,





Your ideas are irrational and silly, and a perfect reflection of the 
brainwashing and groupthink that has &quot;infected&quot; haifan bahaism and made 
it a dysfunctional religion full of empty promises.





haifan bahaism is culturally imperialistic and exploits the people that are converted to it.





haifan bahaism in france and swiss is a very small number of people that are irrelevant.



the bahai world center promotes ruhi brainwashing on a wide level.



why are you trying to deceive people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Sar-Mad,</p>
<p>Your ideas are irrational and silly, and a perfect reflection of the<br />
brainwashing and groupthink that has &#8220;infected&#8221; haifan bahaism and made<br />
it a dysfunctional religion full of empty promises.</p>
<p>haifan bahaism is culturally imperialistic and exploits the people that are converted to it.</p>
<p>haifan bahaism in france and swiss is a very small number of people that are irrelevant.</p>
<p>the bahai world center promotes ruhi brainwashing on a wide level.</p>
<p>why are you trying to deceive people?</p>
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		<title>By: Sarmad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarmad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 22:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m certainly suffering pain and distress in reading all this appalling contention.  I wish I could force myself away from this execrable website.   I&#039;ve been foolishly wasting my time on this site all evening, making myself depressed.  Yes, the Faith has a glorious destiny, but the moment of its realisation can be postponed.  This site is helping to postpone it.  How can people identify themselves as Baha&#039;is and then embarrass themselves in public discourse.  Have you not read the Hidden Word? &quot;The comb, too, have I given thee that thou mayest dress My raven locks, and not lacerate My throat.&quot;

The mind boggles!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m certainly suffering pain and distress in reading all this appalling contention.  I wish I could force myself away from this execrable website.   I&#8217;ve been foolishly wasting my time on this site all evening, making myself depressed.  Yes, the Faith has a glorious destiny, but the moment of its realisation can be postponed.  This site is helping to postpone it.  How can people identify themselves as Baha&#8217;is and then embarrass themselves in public discourse.  Have you not read the Hidden Word? &#8220;The comb, too, have I given thee that thou mayest dress My raven locks, and not lacerate My throat.&#8221;</p>
<p>The mind boggles!</p>
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