Those Naughty, Naughty “Baha’i Dissidents”

A few weeks ago, fellow Baha’i blogger J. A. McLean wrote an article titled “Dissidents and the Baha’i Faith”. It attracted a lot of attention, especially from quite of few of those naughty, naughty “dissidents”.

So much so that Jack seems to have changed his mind about the whole thing and decided to call it all off… by erasing his post from his blog.

Before the self-censorship, the blog post was featured on Baha’is Online. And Allison also wrote a commentary on her own blog. As for this humble blogger, for now I’m withholding any comments.

However, the internet and the technologies it contains allows us to punch a few buttons and take a ride in our own time machine (also known as, Google Cache) to retrieve Jack’s original post.

In all its effulgent glory (minus the holy numbered comments), behold:

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Thursday, August 23, 2007
DISSIDENTS AND THE BAHA’I FAITH

On the Internet today one may find webpages, websites and member lists that contain disgruntled views and/or bitter attacks, usually against the Bahá’í Administrative Order, from a relatively small number of so-called dissident and ex-Bahá’ís. A dissident is not, of course, an ex-Bahá’í, but someone who still claims to be a follower who has serious grievances against the Bahá’í Faith and who continues to militate for their acceptance. A dissident must be distinguished from the individual, who for personal reasons, chooses not to associate with the community, and from the person who, for one reason or another, drifts away from the Faith. Surprisingly, some of these attacks are made even by “Bahá’ís in good standing.”

In the early 1990’s, I gained first-hand experience of this phenomenon when I was a temporary member of the original Talisman list, hosted by ex-Bahá’í, Dr. Juan Ricardo Cole. I subsequently resigned from Talisman I when Dr. Cole, in his grand design to be the “gadfly” reformer of the Bahá’í Faith, made direct, frontal attacks on the Universal House of Justice. What is perhaps not so well-known was that by that time Dr. Cole had been remonstrating with the Universal House of Justice more or less steadily for about 20 years.

It is not the purpose of this message to reanimate the specifics of Cole’s case which are well-known to those who once belonged to Talisman I and who are familiar with his articles that attempted to blacken the reputation of the Bahá’í Administrative Order. He has since found new enemies: his blog is largely devoted to attacking the foreign policy of the United States government. However, I would like to make some general comments about dissidents and ex-Bahá’ís, whether it be Juan Cole, Francesco Ficicchia in German-speaking Europe in the 1980’s and ‘90’s, and/or the like-minded Internet club of present or past hostile critics.

The behaviour of these individuals, if one wants to step back and observe it, reveals a negative dynamic or pattern of behaviour that continues to be dismally instructive. I am submitting the following observations, consequently, not to revive some old grudges, nor to perpetuate present ones, but because I seriously doubt that the Bahá’í community has seen the end of the complaints of the constantly disgruntled, the doctrinally innovative and the permanently embittered. While space is lacking here to set out fully the entire dynamic of this pattern, I would like to comment briefly on the climate of sympathy that seems to be created, at least momentarily, for the grievances of these individuals.

Allow me to preface these observations with this comment: I do not doubt for a moment that these persons have been hurt or that some have been betrayed by a fellow believer or that some decision by an administrative body has not gone their way. Most Bahá’ís, if they live long enough, will experience betrayal, or be subject to an administrative decision that has not been in their favour. The latter phrase applies sometimes to members of these very same institutions. These experiences contribute to our awakening to the stark realities of the human condition.

One of the keys to the sympathetic ear temporarily lent to the disgruntled has to do with the way that organized religion is generally perceived in contemporary society. In modernity, religion and spirituality have gone their separate ways. Individuals may willingly affirm their theism or spirituality but many disavow being official members of an “organized religion.” Of course, the whole notion of being against organized religion per se is a strange one, when one thinks about it. People, generally, do not object to organized government, to an organized judiciary, to organized political parties, to organized education, to organized medicine, clubs, associations and societies. But except for official members, the religious “organization” in a secular age has become definitely suspect.

And for good reason. This climate of suspicion has been created by a long history of the violent repression of doctrinal minorities, and other past or present moral travesties. Uninformed observers, consequently, tend to be predisposed to accept the viewpoint of the dissident without further reflection or investigation. If she has dissented from a religious institution, ergo, the charges must be true and she must be a victim: at least, that is the hasty conclusion. This predisposition was clearly at work for a time in Juan Cole’s case, just as it was for another ex-Bahá’í, Francesco Ficicchia.

What the dissidents fail to realize, and do not accept, is that the Bahá’í Faith, while it allows for a fair and reasonable largesse of individual interpretation, has nonetheless its own doctrinal boundaries and ethical norms. But in the final analysis, these doctrinal boundaries and ethical norms are simply not accepted by these individuals who, driven by frustration at the non-acceptance of the perceived moral rightness of their cause, ego-mania, hyper-individualism and the principles of “liberal democracy,” engage in corrosive attacks which by definition are beyond the ethical norms and the principles of consultation which Bahá’u’lláh has mandated to replace acrimonious and divisive debate.

The founders of the Bahá’í Faith have repeatedly warned their followers—some individuals even balk at the very notion of a warning–of the grave moral and spiritual consequences that accompany such hostile, confrontational approaches. But these individuals, unless they disaffiliate themselves from the religion to which they belong, and although they have knowingly accepted these doctrinal boundaries and ethical norms, imagine that these standards do not apply to them. They clearly view themselves as belonging to a different category. Dissidents believe somehow that they are fully within their rights to violate these norms with impunity.

Yet, just like the perpetrators who claim to be victims, they act shocked and surprised, and charge betrayal and harassment, when the government of their religion finally asks them to withdraw or takes measures to remove them permanently from the membership list. This removal, I should add, usually takes place after a lengthy and patient hearing and exchange of views, counselling and, final warnings. This careful process, however, has sometimes resulted in charges of fascism and religious fundamentalism being levelled against the institutions of the Bahá’í Faith. Of course, neither Bahá’í doctrine nor covenants gives any one a licence to radically alter Bahá’í belief or ethical practice to the point of making it unrecognizable to the community itself and to the institutions of the Bahá’í Faith. But for these individuals, this seems to be quite beside the point.

As sequitur to this last sentence: the point of this message is not, as might be supposed, simple justification, the basic preoccupation of theology, of administrative sanctions taken against these individuals. Methodologically, the confrontational, heavy-handed approach is also unsound. It is both strange and ironic when this defective, ineffective tool originates with the learned. Phenomenologist of religion, William Brede Kristensen, the Norwegian-Dutch scholar (1867-1953), in his instructive essay “What is Phenomenology?” was perhaps the first to make the point that serious students and scholars of religion must identify with the faith of others to the extent that they “must therefore be able to forget themselves, to be able to surrender themselves to others” (p. 49). The respected comparative religionists, Wilfred Cantwell Smith and Huston Smith have since made the same point both in their writings and in their lives by profound study and congenial practice with followers of faiths outside the Christian tradition.

Kristensen is promoting here, not some objective and detached study of a particular religion—let alone an inflammatory one–but rather a process of initiation into the sympathetic understanding of “the faith of other men,” as the title of Cantwell Smith’s 1962 comparative study of Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, Chinese philosophy, Christians and Jews put it. Smith’s innovative little book aimed to elucidate, not only the beliefs of these world religions, but also and especially, how these religions formed the personal values of the men and women who practiced them, and how their personal beliefs motivated their lives. In other words, Cantwell Smith recommended that the observer be willing to be taught by the participants of the tradition he or she was investigating, and to assume their point of view, without necessarily adopting their faith. In the academic study of religion, then, the testimony of believers is consequently the starting point and the meeting place of authentic understanding and must necessarily carry great weight.

Some may think that this argument is irrelevant and has no bearing on the present case; these individuals are, after all, already Bahá’ís, and are no longer studying the faith to which they belong. But Kristensen’s views are pertinent to this discussion. The point is that with Cole, Ficicchia, and present-day dissenters, the testimony, sacred writings, history and ethical norms of believers were either ignored or distorted to the extent that members of the Bahá’í Faith were no longer able to recognize their own religion in the distorted or hostile depictions by these critics. So much for the elementary protocol advocated by Brede Kristensen, Cantwell Smith and Huston Smith and other respected scholars of religion.

What one sometimes reads from these poisoned pens is even more surprising since some of them claimed, or still claim, to be Bahá’ís. It is no wonder that the appointed and elected institutions of the Bahá’í Faith ultimately came to the intellectually defensible conclusion that they were not. Neither is it a wonder that the Universal House of Justice has written that character, that is, active spirituality, ethics, values and norms, and methodology cannot, and should not, be separated. In this, as in all things Bahá’í, character and methodology are one.

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Posted by J.A. McLean at 11:45 AM 9 comments

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  • Sincere Friend

    The essence of our Faith is Unity. Consultation is the process whereby unity is achieved. Argument, debate, contention, all seek to defeat, divide and conquer. That is not the way of unity, nor of consultation.

  • Sincere Friend

    The essence of our Faith is Unity. Consultation is the process whereby unity is achieved. Argument, debate, contention, all seek to defeat, divide and conquer. That is not the way of unity, nor of consultation.

  • Andrew

    Sincere Friend writes:

    “The essence of our Faith is Unity. Consultation is the process whereby unity is achieved. Argument, debate, contention, all seek to defeat, divide and conquer. That is not the way of unity, nor of consultation.”

    Uniformity of organization under the banner of visible unity is merely a façade of unity. It is a uniformity of automatons.

    The belief that argument, debate, and contention all seek to divide and conquer is convenient to those who have found it to be convenient. That does not, however, make it true. Far from it.

    `Abdu’l-Bahá writes:

    “The shining spark of truth comes forth only from the clash of differing opinions.”

    I’m certain Sincere Friend will find a way to explain away the words of `Abdu’l-Bahá. Nothing I haven’t read before, of course.

  • Andrew

    Sincere Friend writes:

    “The essence of our Faith is Unity. Consultation is the process whereby unity is achieved. Argument, debate, contention, all seek to defeat, divide and conquer. That is not the way of unity, nor of consultation.”

    Uniformity of organization under the banner of visible unity is merely a façade of unity. It is a uniformity of automatons.

    The belief that argument, debate, and contention all seek to divide and conquer is convenient to those who have found it to be convenient. That does not, however, make it true. Far from it.

    `Abdu’l-Bahá writes:

    “The shining spark of truth comes forth only from the clash of differing opinions.”

    I’m certain Sincere Friend will find a way to explain away the words of `Abdu’l-Bahá. Nothing I haven’t read before, of course.

  • Sincere Friend

    Dear Friend Andrew,

    It has been my experience that consultation, when undertaken in a spirit of loving kindness, truth seeking and service does produce true unity.

    For consultation to be successful this spirit must first be present, and that is why prayer is such an important part of the consultative process.

    When differences of opinion that are divisive arise then they must be resolved in this same spirit or by further discussion to remove misunderstandings.

    It is my observation that argument, debate, and contention come from traditions, systems, or cultures where the intended result is that there is a clear winner or loser and therefore a division of the community in which the argument, debate or contention occurred. This produces the unsavory effect of simmering resentments and undercurrents of hatred for particular personalities or entities as a result of the pain of defeat suffered by the particular egos who lost the argument, debate, or contention.

    It is true, as you so rightly quote Abdul Baha as saying “The shining spark of truth comes forth only from the clash of differing opinions.”,
    but then what? How is unity then achieved?

    What I also observe is that often when persons engage in a discussion and do not find immediate agreement that there is a tendency to begin a process of assumption about the other person, accusation, and dismissal, that can eventually lead to provocation, insult, and violence (whether verbal or physical). This obviously is not the way of unity.

    I think the comment you make about the facade of unity and the conformity of automatons is a perception that implies dissatisfaction with what seems to be the current state of the Bahai community. I perceive this current state, which I concede may be accurate in some jurisdictions, as a stage of adjustment between cultures of conflict and the emergence of a culture of true unity where the ideals of adversarial systems which seek to use conflict to bring about truth and the ideals of the Bahai Faith for unity can both be realized.

    I really do think that we as a world community are really still learning how to achieve true unity, and that when we do, under the guidance of Baha u llahs teachings and His Covenant and whatever relevant science can be applied, that it will fulfill both the desire of those like you who seek for individuality and explicit truth such as the better parts of the traditional adversarial cultures have provided, and those who are seeking to achieve the practical institutional goals of true unity in diversity.

    In the spirit of loving kindness,
    Sincerely

  • Sincere Friend

    Dear Friend Andrew,

    It has been my experience that consultation, when undertaken in a spirit of loving kindness, truth seeking and service does produce true unity.

    For consultation to be successful this spirit must first be present, and that is why prayer is such an important part of the consultative process.

    When differences of opinion that are divisive arise then they must be resolved in this same spirit or by further discussion to remove misunderstandings.

    It is my observation that argument, debate, and contention come from traditions, systems, or cultures where the intended result is that there is a clear winner or loser and therefore a division of the community in which the argument, debate or contention occurred. This produces the unsavory effect of simmering resentments and undercurrents of hatred for particular personalities or entities as a result of the pain of defeat suffered by the particular egos who lost the argument, debate, or contention.

    It is true, as you so rightly quote Abdul Baha as saying “The shining spark of truth comes forth only from the clash of differing opinions.”,
    but then what? How is unity then achieved?

    What I also observe is that often when persons engage in a discussion and do not find immediate agreement that there is a tendency to begin a process of assumption about the other person, accusation, and dismissal, that can eventually lead to provocation, insult, and violence (whether verbal or physical). This obviously is not the way of unity.

    I think the comment you make about the facade of unity and the conformity of automatons is a perception that implies dissatisfaction with what seems to be the current state of the Bahai community. I perceive this current state, which I concede may be accurate in some jurisdictions, as a stage of adjustment between cultures of conflict and the emergence of a culture of true unity where the ideals of adversarial systems which seek to use conflict to bring about truth and the ideals of the Bahai Faith for unity can both be realized.

    I really do think that we as a world community are really still learning how to achieve true unity, and that when we do, under the guidance of Baha u llahs teachings and His Covenant and whatever relevant science can be applied, that it will fulfill both the desire of those like you who seek for individuality and explicit truth such as the better parts of the traditional adversarial cultures have provided, and those who are seeking to achieve the practical institutional goals of true unity in diversity.

    In the spirit of loving kindness,
    Sincerely

  • Robert Clifton

    Sometimes it is difficult to reconcile apparently conflicting statements in the writings.
    “The shining spark of truth comes forth only from the clash of differing opinions.”
    “Nothing whatsoever can, in this Day, inflict a greater harm upon this Cause than dissension and strife, contention, estrangement and apathy, among the loved ones of God.”
    Gauged by standards current amongst us these are contradictory statements. However reading further we find:
    “With the utmost friendliness and in a spirit of perfect fellowship take ye counsel together,”
    “consultation is the lamp of guidance”
    Entering consultation in a spirit of cooperation to find that shining spark of truth will produce results while entering discussion or debate to prove a point is doomed to produce division.

    Sincere Friend and I are definately not in the same Bahai cult but we just as assuredly agree that consultation will bring about peace and unity.

    Robert Clifton

  • Robert Clifton

    Sometimes it is difficult to reconcile apparently conflicting statements in the writings.
    “The shining spark of truth comes forth only from the clash of differing opinions.”
    “Nothing whatsoever can, in this Day, inflict a greater harm upon this Cause than dissension and strife, contention, estrangement and apathy, among the loved ones of God.”
    Gauged by standards current amongst us these are contradictory statements. However reading further we find:
    “With the utmost friendliness and in a spirit of perfect fellowship take ye counsel together,”
    “consultation is the lamp of guidance”
    Entering consultation in a spirit of cooperation to find that shining spark of truth will produce results while entering discussion or debate to prove a point is doomed to produce division.

    Sincere Friend and I are definately not in the same Bahai cult but we just as assuredly agree that consultation will bring about peace and unity.

    Robert Clifton

  • Sincere Friend

    Well said dear Friend Robert.

    I am not sure what you mean by “Sincere Friend and I are definately not in the same Bahai cult” but the Spirit of Bah ullah is greater than any difference that may exist and when we keep that foremost in mind we will undoubtedly all attain to the city of Unity.

  • Sincere Friend

    Well said dear Friend Robert.

    I am not sure what you mean by “Sincere Friend and I are definately not in the same Bahai cult” but the Spirit of Bah ullah is greater than any difference that may exist and when we keep that foremost in mind we will undoubtedly all attain to the city of Unity.

  • Andrew

    “It has been my experience that consultation, when undertaken in a spirit of loving kindness, truth seeking and service does produce true unity.”

    And who, pray tell, defines what constitutes “truth seeking”? Those who accuse dissidents of suffering from “ressentiment”? When the well has already been poisoned by years of adversarial propaganda (much of it inflammatory and grossly inaccurate) by those who claim sole ownership of its contents, it takes more than good intentions left over from paving the road to Hell.

    “It is my observation that argument, debate, and contention come from traditions, systems, or cultures where the intended result is that there is a clear winner or loser and therefore a division of the community in which the argument, debate or contention occurred.”

    I think your observation is biased in favor of a religious culture of control and intimidation in which public dissidence is strongly disapproved of, not to mention caricatured, derided, and ridiculed.

    “What I also observe is that often when persons engage in a discussion and do not find immediate agreement that there is a tendency to begin a process of assumption about the other person, accusation, and dismissal, that can eventually lead to provocation, insult, and violence (whether verbal or physical).”

    Indeed: witness the the latest article to come out in “Religion,” writren by Moojan Momen, called “Marginality and Apostasy in the Baha’i Community.” I can’t think of a better example than this of assumption, accusation, and dismissal.

    “I perceive this current state, which I concede may be accurate in some jurisdictions, as a stage of adjustment between cultures of conflict and the emergence of a culture of true unity where the ideals of adversarial systems which seek to use conflict to bring about truth and the ideals of the Bahai Faith for unity can both be realized.”

    I don’t think this will fly. The Baha’i Faith has been in existence for almost 150 years. Unlike Christianity or Islam, it developed in the industrial age and has matured (as much as it ever will, I suspect) in the information age. When Baha’i dissidents present knowledge and insights in support of their positions, they’re simply dismissed as malcontents who suffer from “ressentiment.” This is like trying to lock the barn door after the horse has bolted.

    “I really do think that we as a world community are really still learning how to achieve true unity.”

    I would like to believe this is true. I really would. But it seems to me that when presented with every opportunity to acquire new insights and alter their perceptions, the upholders of Baha’i orthodoxy consistently express a shared intransigence and distrust of dissidence and modernity. This does not bode well for the development of a mature religious faith, and virtually ensures that the Baha’i religion will remain a marginal phenomenon, limited to a relatively small cadre of devout adherents who are unable to accept the evolving social environment or culture. In other words: at best, a sect; at worst, a cult.

  • Andrew

    “It has been my experience that consultation, when undertaken in a spirit of loving kindness, truth seeking and service does produce true unity.”

    And who, pray tell, defines what constitutes “truth seeking”? Those who accuse dissidents of suffering from “ressentiment”? When the well has already been poisoned by years of adversarial propaganda (much of it inflammatory and grossly inaccurate) by those who claim sole ownership of its contents, it takes more than good intentions left over from paving the road to Hell.

    “It is my observation that argument, debate, and contention come from traditions, systems, or cultures where the intended result is that there is a clear winner or loser and therefore a division of the community in which the argument, debate or contention occurred.”

    I think your observation is biased in favor of a religious culture of control and intimidation in which public dissidence is strongly disapproved of, not to mention caricatured, derided, and ridiculed.

    “What I also observe is that often when persons engage in a discussion and do not find immediate agreement that there is a tendency to begin a process of assumption about the other person, accusation, and dismissal, that can eventually lead to provocation, insult, and violence (whether verbal or physical).”

    Indeed: witness the the latest article to come out in “Religion,” writren by Moojan Momen, called “Marginality and Apostasy in the Baha’i Community.” I can’t think of a better example than this of assumption, accusation, and dismissal.

    “I perceive this current state, which I concede may be accurate in some jurisdictions, as a stage of adjustment between cultures of conflict and the emergence of a culture of true unity where the ideals of adversarial systems which seek to use conflict to bring about truth and the ideals of the Bahai Faith for unity can both be realized.”

    I don’t think this will fly. The Baha’i Faith has been in existence for almost 150 years. Unlike Christianity or Islam, it developed in the industrial age and has matured (as much as it ever will, I suspect) in the information age. When Baha’i dissidents present knowledge and insights in support of their positions, they’re simply dismissed as malcontents who suffer from “ressentiment.” This is like trying to lock the barn door after the horse has bolted.

    “I really do think that we as a world community are really still learning how to achieve true unity.”

    I would like to believe this is true. I really would. But it seems to me that when presented with every opportunity to acquire new insights and alter their perceptions, the upholders of Baha’i orthodoxy consistently express a shared intransigence and distrust of dissidence and modernity. This does not bode well for the development of a mature religious faith, and virtually ensures that the Baha’i religion will remain a marginal phenomenon, limited to a relatively small cadre of devout adherents who are unable to accept the evolving social environment or culture. In other words: at best, a sect; at worst, a cult.

  • CRAIG PARKE

    PLEASE search your own conscience and support this anti-war
    measure even though such a stance is completely against the
    current Teachings of the Baha’i Faith.

    “You’ll recall that the U.S. was ‘dragged’ into WWII with the attack on Pearl Harbor. Our boys were sleeping off Saturday night while the enemy schemed — but America soon woke up. So when you see the U.S. in Cambodia or in Vietnam — or when you see America’s young men in Lebanon, or knocking around in the Balkans — ‘please, will you be quiet and let God do His work!’”

    - Glenford Mitchell

    Member of the Universal House of Justice

    “We have inherited a dangerous delusion from Christianity that our
    individual conscience is supreme. This is not a Baha’i belief. In the end, in the context of both our role in the community and our role in the greater world, we must be prepared to sacrifice our personal convictions or opinions. The belief that individual conscience is supreme is equivalent to ‘taking partners with God’ which is abhorrent to the Teachings of the Faith.”

    - Douglas Martin

    Former Member of the Universal House of Justice

    I have been a dedicated card carrying Baha’i for 36 years and I
    know that whatever the individual members of the Universal House
    of Justice say has great weight AMONG ALL MANKIND. In fact many
    current members of the rank and file hold that what any member of
    the Universal House of Justice thinks, believes, or feels is the
    actual Voice of God on Earth.

    Even though the Central Figures of the Faith all taught the importance of World Peace and the terrible human tragedy and monumental catastrophic sadness of war for both individuals and nations as well as the sanctity of the individual human conscience (Shoghi Effendi even said that members of the Universal House of Justice THEMSELVES should actually use their own individual conscience to make decisions for the Faith!!!), I would not want to suggest anything counter to what Glenford Mitchell or Douglas Martin said to large Baha’i audiences and risk being branded an “apostate” Baha’i as I am currently very much a Baha’i in good standing.

    But for the hope of World Peace in accordance with what I feel
    Baha’u'llah and Abdu’l-Baha actually taught and in accordance with
    my own individual conscience even though this is now deemed
    “taking partners with God” I am asking here on the PUBLIC INTERNET WORLDWIDE for the Universal House of Justice of the Baha’i Faith and the National Spiritual Assembly of the Baha’is of the United States to support this important legislation now proposed in the Congress of the United States. Our Institutions MUST ACT and make a spiritual and moral statement for posterity even though it is
    against the current version of our Teachings.

    Further, even though we are not to participate in political issues
    (unless it involves the civil rights of Iranian Baha’is) I ask
    that we as a worldwide community VIGOROUSLY SUPPORT this proposed very strong legislation even if it is vetoed by President Bush.

    Sometimes one has to make a stand on spiritual and moral principle
    even though some Baha’is might deem it “political”.

    PLEASE SUPPORT THIS POLITICAL LEGISLATION EVEN THOUGH USING YOUR OWN CONSCIENCE IS A VIOLATION OF THE CURRENT TEACHINGS OF THE BAHA’I FAITH AS STATED BY MEMBERS OF THE UHJ. PLEASE. FOR THE SAKE OF HUMANITY IN THESE TROUBLED TIMES – WE MUST ACT.

    http://tinyurl.com/yv8hcw

  • CRAIG PARKE

    PLEASE search your own conscience and support this anti-war
    measure even though such a stance is completely against the
    current Teachings of the Baha’i Faith.

    “You’ll recall that the U.S. was ‘dragged’ into WWII with the attack on Pearl Harbor. Our boys were sleeping off Saturday night while the enemy schemed — but America soon woke up. So when you see the U.S. in Cambodia or in Vietnam — or when you see America’s young men in Lebanon, or knocking around in the Balkans — ‘please, will you be quiet and let God do His work!’”

    - Glenford Mitchell

    Member of the Universal House of Justice

    “We have inherited a dangerous delusion from Christianity that our
    individual conscience is supreme. This is not a Baha’i belief. In the end, in the context of both our role in the community and our role in the greater world, we must be prepared to sacrifice our personal convictions or opinions. The belief that individual conscience is supreme is equivalent to ‘taking partners with God’ which is abhorrent to the Teachings of the Faith.”

    - Douglas Martin

    Former Member of the Universal House of Justice

    I have been a dedicated card carrying Baha’i for 36 years and I
    know that whatever the individual members of the Universal House
    of Justice say has great weight AMONG ALL MANKIND. In fact many
    current members of the rank and file hold that what any member of
    the Universal House of Justice thinks, believes, or feels is the
    actual Voice of God on Earth.

    Even though the Central Figures of the Faith all taught the importance of World Peace and the terrible human tragedy and monumental catastrophic sadness of war for both individuals and nations as well as the sanctity of the individual human conscience (Shoghi Effendi even said that members of the Universal House of Justice THEMSELVES should actually use their own individual conscience to make decisions for the Faith!!!), I would not want to suggest anything counter to what Glenford Mitchell or Douglas Martin said to large Baha’i audiences and risk being branded an “apostate” Baha’i as I am currently very much a Baha’i in good standing.

    But for the hope of World Peace in accordance with what I feel
    Baha’u'llah and Abdu’l-Baha actually taught and in accordance with
    my own individual conscience even though this is now deemed
    “taking partners with God” I am asking here on the PUBLIC INTERNET WORLDWIDE for the Universal House of Justice of the Baha’i Faith and the National Spiritual Assembly of the Baha’is of the United States to support this important legislation now proposed in the Congress of the United States. Our Institutions MUST ACT and make a spiritual and moral statement for posterity even though it is
    against the current version of our Teachings.

    Further, even though we are not to participate in political issues
    (unless it involves the civil rights of Iranian Baha’is) I ask
    that we as a worldwide community VIGOROUSLY SUPPORT this proposed very strong legislation even if it is vetoed by President Bush.

    Sometimes one has to make a stand on spiritual and moral principle
    even though some Baha’is might deem it “political”.

    PLEASE SUPPORT THIS POLITICAL LEGISLATION EVEN THOUGH USING YOUR OWN CONSCIENCE IS A VIOLATION OF THE CURRENT TEACHINGS OF THE BAHA’I FAITH AS STATED BY MEMBERS OF THE UHJ. PLEASE. FOR THE SAKE OF HUMANITY IN THESE TROUBLED TIMES – WE MUST ACT.

    http://tinyurl.com/yv8hcw

  • Robert Clifton

    Hello SF,
    For clarification–
    I understand that there are several “groups” of Baha’i.
    Consensus of concept forms people into clubs, groups, cults, sects, political parties and so on. As long as a person wants to be in a group she is welcome until she begins to question that consensus of concept. The Baha’is have conceptual groups such as the UHJ, The Tarbiyat, the Orhtodox, the Jensenites, the Shoghomonians, Reform, BUPC and a few other formed groups as well as the unformed groups unenrolled, disenrolled, and maybe a couple more.
    I am of the opinion that if there is any organization of the faith it is to be done from the bottom up starting from a local house of justice in every village or area. Collectively, probably over the net in forums such as this a Universal Consensus develops from those local houses interchanges and consultation.
    That universal consenus of the current local houses of justice has as a base that irrespective of their world view or no matter what group a person is in they are in fact a Baha’i. (in good standing). Over the coming years consultation will sort out the true stuff.
    Thus I can state with confidence that you and I are in different cubby holes.

    Keep up your good work,
    Robert

  • Robert Clifton

    Hello SF,
    For clarification–
    I understand that there are several “groups” of Baha’i.
    Consensus of concept forms people into clubs, groups, cults, sects, political parties and so on. As long as a person wants to be in a group she is welcome until she begins to question that consensus of concept. The Baha’is have conceptual groups such as the UHJ, The Tarbiyat, the Orhtodox, the Jensenites, the Shoghomonians, Reform, BUPC and a few other formed groups as well as the unformed groups unenrolled, disenrolled, and maybe a couple more.
    I am of the opinion that if there is any organization of the faith it is to be done from the bottom up starting from a local house of justice in every village or area. Collectively, probably over the net in forums such as this a Universal Consensus develops from those local houses interchanges and consultation.
    That universal consenus of the current local houses of justice has as a base that irrespective of their world view or no matter what group a person is in they are in fact a Baha’i. (in good standing). Over the coming years consultation will sort out the true stuff.
    Thus I can state with confidence that you and I are in different cubby holes.

    Keep up your good work,
    Robert

  • Sincere Friend

    To quote Edward Markham,

    He drew a circle that shut me out,
    Heretic, rebel, a thing to flout.
    But love and I had the wit to win,
    We drew a circle that took him in.

  • Sincere Friend

    To quote Edward Markham,

    He drew a circle that shut me out,
    Heretic, rebel, a thing to flout.
    But love and I had the wit to win,
    We drew a circle that took him in.

  • fubar

    the ideals of fairness and objectivity, selflessness, holism/transcendence, are hardly unique to bahaism.

    it is a typical “tactic” of bahai polemicists/apologists to try to “falsely appropriate” such ideals. so much for “detachment”.

    anyways…..

    Part of McClean's argument (which I also made while still a bahai and a talisman1 participant), that there were predictable, ideological and operational flaws in some aspects of the dissident's “agenda(s)”, really DOES NOT support the larger issue of the illegitimacy and un-necessity of dissent.

    andrew's analysis is brilliant

    in intgral theory, the premodern, authoritarian, conformist “mythic” forms of metaphysics, such as have been revived in haifan bahaism, tend to become seen as the “organizing centers” for radical forms of traditionalism and fundamentalism.

    It really is shocking that “scholars” such as Momen and McClean have written so much distortionary, unwise drivel and frufru about the “talisman1″ dissidents, and the dissent in general.

    the conformist version of haifan bahaism that McClean, Momen are “defending” and promoting can easily be described with one word:

    BACKWARD.

    I'll add one more word: UNENLIGHTENED

  • fubar

    RC,

    You are trying to coerce belief by forcing people into accepting a mythic-conformist paradigm.

    This is the essence of haifan bahai apologetics and polemics.

    You fail the test of modernity, which is why haifan bahaims is an insignificant religion, and will remain so until outmoded bahai metaphyscial baggage is jettisoned as part of deep reforms.

  • fubar

    RC,

    The actual evidence is that there is a long pattern of injustices, lies and deception in haifan bahaism.

    In haifan-bahai-speak “unity” = “conformity”, and “peace” is really “coersion”.

    the scriptural statements about converting the people of the world to haifan bahaism are clearly just a very poorly rehased form of colonialism/imperialism. both abdul-baha and shoghi effendi made some big mistakes in not putting in place principles, policies and practices to stop haifan bahaism from becoming authoritarian and fundamentalist. (sliding backward into tribalism)

  • fubar

    the “spirit of bahaullah” excludes the vast majority of spiritual traditions, including shamanism, much of the vedic and buddhist traditions, and many others.

    it is a complete delusion to think that bahaullah was doing anything other than seeking a mesh of christian and islamic cultural imperialism against all/most other spiritual traditions.

  • Realist !

    Sincere Friend,

    Your post is standard answer that baha’ies give, as if it has written in some handbook as standard procedure.

    No, people do not feel important or expect any entitlements as you put it.

    They do have thier opinion and grivensses and instead of poo-poo and
    wishy-washy them, thier grivensses need to be addressed other-wise
    the questions get piled up !

    Thanks

  • Maureen

    Thank you, Sincere friend

  • Maureen

    Thank you, Sincere friend

  • Realist !

    And point of the story is ?!?

  • Maureen

    I posted in the wrong place…I have no idea what the point is. I happened to arrive at this site this morning, saw that you, Realist, had posted on this thread and ended up reading all the posts. In light of the past several days that I’ve spent on another site participating in a very animated discussion involving LGBT issues, I found this thread to be somehow relevent to the other discussion on the other site. That’s my excuse ! ( I think I actually meant to thank you, Realist ). 

  • Jack McLean

    Hello All,

    It is strange that my post on ‘Baha’i dissidents” should have ended up here on Baha’i Rants, an oxymoron if there ever was one. The reason I erased my blog was not because I changed my mind about its contents–I haven’t–but because I think it’s rather pointless to argue with those whose claws are sharp and whose minds are made up. My blog wasn’t a rant; it was an argument. And as someone who has been a Baha’i for 50 years, it wasn’t coming from “left-field”, but was based on a long experience with the issues I discussed. My main point was the following: a religion has to be recognizable, first and foremost, from the inside-out, not from the outside-in, the position that most ranters and critics of the Baha’i Faith, even if they call themselves Baha’is, usually take. By the way, the pervasive use of irony by your moderator, as in “naughty, naughty”, and the use of innuendo, weakens, not strengthens, the positions you take. When name-calling takes over, and is used a tool to degrade the interlocutor, you have left the domain of the rational and reasonable, and have entered the world of gesticulation and theater. Best regards, Jack McLean 

  • Amado

    Dear Jack – Thanks for your contribution – and for the article. Seeing your comment, I re-read it. 
    It’s well written – I’m not trying to slip by your guard by way of your ego, so I’ll say that another way: it’s better written than the long-winded efforts we periodically get out of Haifa lately…
    You are, I think (with all due respect and the possibility that I may have missed everyone’s point at once) neglecting one aspect:
    If a whole series of “infallible” statements are actually imperfect, and a whole string of decisions are taking the least miniscule group of the Bahai Faith the wrong direction in significant ways, maybe we “dissidents” can help fix it! 
    Trusting the Lord but trying to wake up our camel, rather than sitting in a darkening room praying for someone to turn on the lights, even people who are currently Bahais can be quite reasonably “just as Bahai as you are” – without agreeing with 100% of what you consider to be revealed, perfect doctrine.
    You object to the irony of putting the word “naughty” in your mouth. If that is a confession of having no better rebuttal, then so is your changing the subject to argue about the other party’s attitude!
    Let’s admit it – forget about the claws, but your mind is made up, too! However, if we dissidents get some changes to happen, our Bahai Faith will have fewer untenable tenets.
    Amado

  • JS

    Jack, 

    Well I guess the left wing is now getting so much right wing as the so called Dissidents did grow so much that they are now majority. Any body who have quick look at the participation rates, see’s that almost no-one turning up or listen to rants coming out of administration. 

  • Desir0101

    Dear Mc Lean,

    One thing is sure the Faith is withering and is dying in every land.

    Bahais are just clinging to the hem of HOPE that tomorrow will be better.

    Iam sure that a long time dedicated Bahai will admit this fact.

    People are athirst of unity and peace but when presented to them the Bahai teaching they are reticent.Why???

    Bahais are squeezed between one Muslim believe in the finality of his religion and others are not ready to accept a teaching sourced from far or near to Islam.

    According to the Writings only after a global destruction will the rest of humanity will turn towards Bahai faith.

    So where will be the appropriate time to the famous Entry by Troops.???

    Before or after the catastrophe.???

    REligion are made for those spiritually feeble people.
    I believe that spirituallity are beyond borders of all these rituals and paradigm.
    Spirituality is the music of the soul.
    And i firmly believe that ‘s no need to be submitted to such and such dogme and doctrines.

    An AWARE consciousness is the root of all good.

    People are losing their precious moment of their life in shunning, hating others.

    A candle will light up a thousand candles without  diminish in intensity.
    It will light up the environment but will remain in the shade, it’s own shadow, this is humility.

    You turn towards the candle your shadow will be behind you and will not affect but turn away your shadow will be in front of you and will embarass your footsteps. you may stumble and fall.

    Naturals or artificial light all is good.
    Light is good from any lamp it may come from.

    I

  • Fubar

    re: McClean shows everyone, once again, why bahai leaders are out of touch with reality.

    Jack McClean said: “The behaviour of these individuals, if one wants to step back and
    observe it, reveals a negative dynamic or pattern of behaviour that
    continues to be dismally instructive. ”

    While it is clear that there were many dysfunctional PC/left issues with the various bahai dissidents (ex-bahais, etc.) I stopped reading Mr. McClean’s archived commentary at the above. Classic psychological projection. Mr. McClean’s commentary reveals the negative dynamic commonly found in the haifan bahai community about criticism, nonconformance and dissident.

    Mr. McClean has no credibility (as a critic of the critics) unless he describes the not only his own negative attitude about nonconformism, but the vast, overwhelming level of negative/dysfunctional behavior that is common in many bahai communities, and most of bahai administration.

    Haifan bahai culture is what is dismal, not MOST of what MOST of the dissidents had to say.

    A typical sick tactic for those in denial of the dysfunctional aspects of bahai culture, or more the more disturbed apologists/polemicists, is to accuse a nonconformist, critic or dissident of “spiritual inferiority”.

    Haifan bahaism is a grotesque cult-like religion that based on a mythic-conformist paradigm.

    There is a long dreary history of autocratic leaders and cult infighting in bahai history, in both Iran and the USA/N.Am.

    That said, Mr. Mcclean is right in that the many well intentioned bahais (who started out populists, progresives, utopians, etc.), most of whom are victims of the disgusting behavior of bahai leadership, were not presented with a coherent reform message by most of the PC/Left elements of the bahai dissident movement(s) and leaders, rather many of them (the PC/Left) were grinding axes and pursuing other agendas.

    This is a classic case of “two wrings don’t make a right”.

    Unfortunately Mr. McClean (an accomplished scholar) is only interested in promoting the old, tired and irrelevant haifan bahai “party line”, not the whole truth.

    And that is exactly why bahaism is a silly religion, and also why not all, but most of what the “dissidents” said was correct.

    If Mr. McClean produces ANY evidence that the original problematic conditions that gave rise to the legitimate criticisms of the “dissidents” have gotten better, PLEASE LET ME KNOW so I can read more of his dreary stuff.

    I’m assuming that to the contrary, the wildly inaccurate, vile example of attacks from BAO apologists and fundamentalists, such as Momen’s even more silly article on “dissidents”, shows how bahaism has utterly failed to address dissidents’ concerns in a significant manner, or used them as the basis for meaningful, constructive reforms.

    Other than that, I can’t see any reason to read all of McClean’s commentary. At this time.

    The overwhelming experience I had, and most of the people I’ve known for 30+ years, is that bahai administration is irrelevant at best. At worst, it is a religion that is run by horrible people (many are evil liars, probably psychopaths, or deeply into groupthink) that exploit and demean the spiritual yearnings of most of the people that join up.

    (ex-bahai, originally coerced into signing a bahai declaration card in the early 70s.)

  • Fubar

     haifan bahai administration is a dysfunctional organization. bahai scripture says that the foundation of virtue is honesty, but bahai administration/leadership is a system of lies and distortions.

    if one observes the nasty underbelly of bahai culture and administration, it is all about autocrats blaming their failures on “believers” who are spiritually inadequate, incapable of sufficient “sacrifice”, etc.

    it is simply a dismal, medieval and utterly pointless way of running a religion.

    McClean is brainwashed and incapable of seeing the truth.

    And that is all anyone needs to know about what is wrong with bahaism.

    It is a religion in which the psychological needs of psychopaths and dysfunctional people come first.

    From this, we can make some assumptions about McClean’s personality, and why he defends dysfunctional bahai culture.

  • Fubar

     Human beings are wired by evolution to function in tribes (of one form or another). The human world is one of tribe vs. tribe (Kingdoms and Empires/”civilizations” are scaled up supertribes). Bahaism attempts to assert a form of spirituality that transcends tribalism, but it ultimately fails to escape the gravity well of tribalism/Shi’ism. Bahai universalism isn’t as universal as its adherents claim.

    This is probably as much a failure of human DNA as it is a given religious system.

    It is however ironic, and perhaps sad, the a few molecules of genetic material so easily defeat the grandiose claims of some of humanity’s most so called “enlightened” people.

  • JS

    @fubar – Well Yes I can not agree more that baha’i admin is dysfunctional and it has caused a huge amount of damage to baha’i members & the faith itself. I am a Iranian baha’i and seen a-lot of this cultism gang attitude. Always had issues with it, eventually did stopped to participate in any baha’i gathering and do rarely associate with baha’is. Personally I think that baha’i admin is irrelevant. The main question is what is next ? does baha’i faith dies soon because its admin betrayed us or does it evolve to something else? current baha’i admin does not see itself responsible and is not responding to any concerns or questions. They are so lost that if you push the question, they first, oh you know, we have so much problems ?!?, and if you push more, you get attacked and threaten with all kind of accusations. Attitude is to  total conform party lines under the pretext of unity and do only serves the interest (wealth, prestige and ego) of few individuals at the top. Young are lost and indifferent. Were old have no clue [they never had, including my own parents]. My hope is that as number of vocal disgruntle members grow, and these old members die, may some younger baha’i eventually take over whom will inject some new blood in this dieing body. what is your thoughts ?

  • JS

    @fubar – Well Yes I can not agree more that baha’i admin is dysfunctional and it has caused a huge amount of damage to baha’i members & the faith itself. I am a Iranian baha’i and seen a-lot of this cultism gang attitude. Always had issues with it, eventually did stopped to participate in any baha’i gathering and do rarely associate with baha’is. Personally I think that baha’i admin is irrelevant. The main question is what is next ? does baha’i faith dies soon because its admin betrayed us or does it evolve to something else? current baha’i admin does not see itself responsible and is not responding to any concerns or questions. They are so lost that if you push the question, they first, oh you know, we have so much problems ?!?, and if you push more, you get attacked and threaten with all kind of accusations. Attitude is to  total conform party lines under the pretext of unity and do only serves the interest (wealth, prestige and ego) of few individuals at the top. Young are lost and indifferent. Were old have no clue [they never had, including my own parents]. My hope is that as number of vocal disgruntle members grow, and these old members die, may some younger baha’i eventually take over whom will inject some new blood in this dieing body. what is your thoughts ?