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	<title>Comments on: Three Baha&#8217;is Jailed in Iran</title>
	<link>http://bahairants.com/three-bahais-jailed-in-iran-267.html</link>
	<description>A personal Baha'i blog.</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Baha&#8217;i Administrative Body of Iran Arrested at Baha&#8217;i Rants</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/three-bahais-jailed-in-iran-267.html#comment-50609</link>
		<dc:creator>Baha&#8217;i Administrative Body of Iran Arrested at Baha&#8217;i Rants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 18:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Three Baha&#8217;is jailed in Iran Intensifying persecutions in Iran Return of the Hojjatieh Society Those &#8220;devious&#8221; Baha&#8217;is Iran steps up monitoring of Baha&#8217;is Persecution of Baha&#8217;is linked to Hojjatieh Society [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Three Baha&#8217;is jailed in Iran Intensifying persecutions in Iran Return of the Hojjatieh Society Those &#8220;devious&#8221; Baha&#8217;is Iran steps up monitoring of Baha&#8217;is Persecution of Baha&#8217;is linked to Hojjatieh Society [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Sectarian Violence: Explosion in Shiraz Mosque at Baha&#8217;i Rants</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/three-bahais-jailed-in-iran-267.html#comment-48108</link>
		<dc:creator>Sectarian Violence: Explosion in Shiraz Mosque at Baha&#8217;i Rants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 00:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] year, Bahai communities abroad reported that a group of followers were detained in Shiraz while helping poor communities [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] year, Bahai communities abroad reported that a group of followers were detained in Shiraz while helping poor communities [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan Cook</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/three-bahais-jailed-in-iran-267.html#comment-42155</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendan Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 14:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt,

I agree with you all the way.  Persecution is always wrong, whether practiced in the name of a country, a religion, or in the case of Iran, a religious country.  One type of persecution is only worse than another -- and what's happening in Iran is very bad indeed -- in terms of how serious it is.  Those Persian Baha'is who don't hide their faith, who let their light shine in the open, they're very brave and I admire them.  That doesn't mean I approve of the Baha'i Faith's treatment of gays, but compared to what's happening in Iran, that pales into irrelevance.

Brendan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,</p>
<p>I agree with you all the way.  Persecution is always wrong, whether practiced in the name of a country, a religion, or in the case of Iran, a religious country.  One type of persecution is only worse than another &#8212; and what&#8217;s happening in Iran is very bad indeed &#8212; in terms of how serious it is.  Those Persian Baha&#8217;is who don&#8217;t hide their faith, who let their light shine in the open, they&#8217;re very brave and I admire them.  That doesn&#8217;t mean I approve of the Baha&#8217;i Faith&#8217;s treatment of gays, but compared to what&#8217;s happening in Iran, that pales into irrelevance.</p>
<p>Brendan</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/three-bahais-jailed-in-iran-267.html#comment-42126</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 04:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bahairants.com/three-bahais-jailed-in-iran-267.html#comment-42126</guid>
		<description>"Why oh why should we care about some Iranians that can’t follow the laws of their country?"

...Because the laws (at least this one) of their country are persecutory, and disregard human conscience. It does not allow students graduate High-School, or enter University if they are known Baha'is. Of course they would have a chance of living a decent life if they remained in the (Baha'i) closet, but no person should be asked or coerced into pretending to be someone or something they're not.

...Unfortunately, the Baha'i Faith (like all Major Religions) only allows that type of logic to a certain degree. If I were to promote Gay Marriage Rights in a Baha'i context, I may have gotten a "talking to" by one of the institutions and if I kept misbehaving that way, I could have had religious sanctions put upon me. But it's only wrong when governments persecute religions. It's not wrong when religions persecute some of its own members. It's called protecting the community. That seems to be the logic I hear from the Major Religions. 

It all goes down to the famous saying, "I hate what you say, but I will die defending your right to say it."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why oh why should we care about some Iranians that can’t follow the laws of their country?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;Because the laws (at least this one) of their country are persecutory, and disregard human conscience. It does not allow students graduate High-School, or enter University if they are known Baha&#8217;is. Of course they would have a chance of living a decent life if they remained in the (Baha&#8217;i) closet, but no person should be asked or coerced into pretending to be someone or something they&#8217;re not.</p>
<p>&#8230;Unfortunately, the Baha&#8217;i Faith (like all Major Religions) only allows that type of logic to a certain degree. If I were to promote Gay Marriage Rights in a Baha&#8217;i context, I may have gotten a &#8220;talking to&#8221; by one of the institutions and if I kept misbehaving that way, I could have had religious sanctions put upon me. But it&#8217;s only wrong when governments persecute religions. It&#8217;s not wrong when religions persecute some of its own members. It&#8217;s called protecting the community. That seems to be the logic I hear from the Major Religions. </p>
<p>It all goes down to the famous saying, &#8220;I hate what you say, but I will die defending your right to say it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/three-bahais-jailed-in-iran-267.html#comment-42027</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What vexes me the most about this whole situation is the thought that if Baha'is were the rulers of the land, they would probably be persecuting their own religionists who spoke their own consciences that conflicted with the official Teachings of their Faith. Sure, they would probably not send them to prisons. But inflicting emotional and spiritual damage by taking away voting rights and other administrative rights, causes pain and suffering as well.

I'm not defending the Iranian Government for their actions. I think the Baha'is should be allowed to do what they want. It's just the double-speak that enrages me. When the Baha'is appeal to peoples' consciences when they, themselves are persecuted. But when It's Administration threatens and sanctions some of its own members for misbehaving our saying the wrong things, and then tells its own followers that it was in the best interest of the community--I have to shake my head---because isn't that what the Iranian Government is saying about the Baha'is themselves?

At any rate, my heart is to those who suffer persecution anywhere, and in this case the Baha'is of Iran. I hope they receive their human rights, and upon receiving them--not persecuting their own members whenever they speak the "wrong" ideas..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What vexes me the most about this whole situation is the thought that if Baha&#8217;is were the rulers of the land, they would probably be persecuting their own religionists who spoke their own consciences that conflicted with the official Teachings of their Faith. Sure, they would probably not send them to prisons. But inflicting emotional and spiritual damage by taking away voting rights and other administrative rights, causes pain and suffering as well.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not defending the Iranian Government for their actions. I think the Baha&#8217;is should be allowed to do what they want. It&#8217;s just the double-speak that enrages me. When the Baha&#8217;is appeal to peoples&#8217; consciences when they, themselves are persecuted. But when It&#8217;s Administration threatens and sanctions some of its own members for misbehaving our saying the wrong things, and then tells its own followers that it was in the best interest of the community&#8211;I have to shake my head&#8212;because isn&#8217;t that what the Iranian Government is saying about the Baha&#8217;is themselves?</p>
<p>At any rate, my heart is to those who suffer persecution anywhere, and in this case the Baha&#8217;is of Iran. I hope they receive their human rights, and upon receiving them&#8211;not persecuting their own members whenever they speak the &#8220;wrong&#8221; ideas..</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald</title>
		<link>http://bahairants.com/three-bahais-jailed-in-iran-267.html#comment-42023</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baquia, thanks for posting this and requesting prayers, they have mine.

I don't think it sounds like Ruhi, if it was for children I bet it was more informal, //like// the Virtues Project. Plus I doubt these guys could actually get Ruhi books or Virtues Project books. Unless they available online...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baquia, thanks for posting this and requesting prayers, they have mine.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it sounds like Ruhi, if it was for children I bet it was more informal, //like// the Virtues Project. Plus I doubt these guys could actually get Ruhi books or Virtues Project books. Unless they available online&#8230;</p>
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