About Aurora Baha, charlatan extraordinairre:

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http://dynamic.boingboing.net/profile/nezzyidy
February 5, 2008 10:59am

WARNING: BEWARE AURORA BAHA!

I attended a gathering by this person and he is creepy. I have friends who have also had bad experiences with him. A large community is now boycotting his ceremonies.

His name is Francis de La Mazza and he goes by Lobo Siete Truenos. Read this before attending his ceremony.
He has been caught lying about his past.

True Scam of the Eagle and the Condor?
http://ayahuasca.tribe.net/thread/a7b95ff8-bae1-4121-b3f5-5a2b93e9e43b

also:
http://singingtotheplants.blogspot.com/

Singing to the Plants

Shamanism and the Medicine Path
Tuesday, February 5, 2008
Ayahuasca Mainstreamed

The spirits must have granted me a momentary fit of prescience. On
February 3, I published a blog post on selling spirituality; on the
same day, the Los Angeles Times Magazine published an article on a
self-professed ayahuasquero named Lobo Siete Truenos, or Wolf Seven
Thunders, and the growing role of ayahuasca in what the article calls
the “nouveau wealth” of suburban California.

Truenos has a murky background. He gives, the article says, “few
straight answers about his background but plenty of mystic filigree.”
He has founded his own church, which he calls Aurora Bahá, presumably
to add a semblance of legitimacy to his use of a substance whose
possession remains — despite the United States Supreme Court ruling
exempting the União do Vegetal — a felony. Truenos also possesses an
eagle’s wing. If he is not a Native American, that too is illegal. But his ancestry is as murky as his history: he is, apparently, Dominican, Lebanese, Basque, and Taino. According to an email attributed to him, this means mostly Lebanese.

Lobo Siete Truenos, Wolf Seven Thunders, also known as Francis de la
Maza What purports to be email correspondence by Truenos has been published in an online discussion group called the Ayahuasca Tribe. “I am the Keeper of the Fire Bundle of Purification of the Eagle and the Condor,” he wrote, “sometimes referred to as the Altar of Unification and the Altar of the Seven Thunders. This sacred Altar is the Manifestation of a Point of Light, which Point represents the
Unification of Several Initiatic Currents on this planet.” These
initiatic currents are, unsurprisingly, united in none other than
Truenos himself. They are detailed on a Web page he has published,
where he also calls himself Francis de la Maza, meaning Francis of the Mace, a mestizo curandero, initiated by the Shipibo-Conibo in Brazil.

But there’s more. He is an Elk Dreamer and Keeper of the Fire of
Quetzalcoatl, and he has been initiated into the Khemetic Mysteries of Egypt, the Tibetan Buddhist path of Dzogchen, the Gnostic Mysteries of the Rosicrucians, the Yucatec Mayan path of Puts’yaj, and the Yoruba Ifa path of Nigeria as a Babalao. He is clearly a busy guy.

He also claims to be a pipe carrier of the Yankton Sioux, and to be
the carrier of a portion of the sacred bundle of Crazy Horse.

Now, there are thousands of ayahuasqueros who toil in obscurity in the Amazon, providing services to their communities — people of genuine learning, compassion, and integrity. My teacher don Roberto Acho works as a carpenter to support his healing work. But, of course, the Times was not interested in those ayahuasqueros. In fact, it was not all that interested in Seven Thunders. What the article was really interested in was his clientele — that is, the sort of people who read the Los Angeles Times.

These clients are pretty much as I described them in my post on
selling spirituality. They are largely white, urban, relatively
wealthy, and spiritually eclectic . They have no particular
involvement with the struggles of the indigenous community whose
healing ceremonies they are purchasing. Their goal is not an increased intellectual or scholarly understanding of the culture from which the ceremony comes, but rather their own personal spiritual growth, healing, and transformative experience. Indeed, the article repeatedly stresses that ayahuasca is the hallucinogen for smart people — liberal thinkers, academics, writers, journalists, psychiatrists, soul-searching intellectuals.

What are these people looking for? The article quotes one artist — it is not clear whether he is a client of Truenos — as saying that
“ayahuasca brings your awareness to a place where it’s understood that you are connected to everything on Earth.” Another consumer, a high school math teacher, says that ayahuasca cured his clinical
depression. He now offers ayahuasca ceremonies himself, for a
suggested donation ot $75 to $300 per person. Author Graham Hancock
credits ayahuasca with having improved his life. When pressed for
details, he says, “I’m a better husband and father.” Truenos himself
says that ayahuasca is a cure for the “cancer of indifference,” a
remedy for our “failures in integrity.”

I am glad that ayahuasca ceremonies are making these people –
talented, intellectual, privileged, rich — feel better about their
lives. I hope Truenos has strong protective spirits. I hope la diosa
holds his clients with compassion. I hope his clients are contributing their talents, their intellects, and their wealth toward the communities from which Truenos claims to have learned to heal.

Aurora Baha- fire alter of the Eagle and Condor - and the underlying
political agenda:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Plan_Condor (OPERATION
CONDOR)

“If you have any ideas outside of the top down group think you are the enemy of God in the current hyper group think.”

WOW to your post too. I can’t imagine how a Bahà’í actually feels listening to unbridled feelings. It must make them angry and sad so there really are no winners here. Keep in mind that Bahà’í’s are to worship and pray for the UHJ, the closest living body next to God, you know, they have a red phone in the marble underground vaulted office, direct line access code, that’s what makes them infallible.

You see the thing is my beloved brother, you and I fell in love with an idea, a dream of unity, peace, kindred ships, like a screen play with a happy ending. Paid our dime to get in but the show wasn’t as good as the book, the usual case… So what do we do now? Rewrite the script? Become critics? Go see another movie?

You and I my brother, we still love. We can’t loose the idea even is this screen play called the Bahà’í Faith should be shelved. There is a rainbow of hope somewhere and we’ll all find together, a place and time of unity under simple terms and no titles. No rights no wrongs just love and respect.

We humans have complicated things so greatly.

Bird in paradise

Take care.

What is all boils down to for me is faith.

Whenever My laws appear like the sun in the heaven of Mine utterance, they must be faithfully obeyed by all, though My decree be such as to cause the heaven of every religion to be cleft asunder. He doth what He pleaseth. He chooseth; and none may question His choice. Whatsoever He, the Well-Beloved, ordaineth, the same is, verily, beloved. Bahá’u’lláh, The Kitab-i-Aqdas, paragraph 7

AMAN wrote:

Wow that was quick.

AMAN,

Sorry I have been off the site for a couple of days. I have been under the weather. I needed a good rest over the long weekend and needed it.

I read you long post in answer to me. Please know that I appreciate your effort very much. People are spending a lot of time here of late over the last few months writing from their guts. So I do honor your effort.

Reading it has caused a change in me somewhat. You revealed that you are 25 years old. That has taken the fire out of anything I have to say. I now feel compassion for you and your wife also. I am 61 years old. EP here is either late 40’s or early 50’s. This is much of the difference in viewpoint so there is no sense in arguing anything. Life is the great teacher and giver of discourse. There are many things you do not know yet in life and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. We’ll see how you see it in 30 years.

One thing you definitely are not picking up on is that both myself and EP were once you. This is our anguish. I put more years of dedicated service into the Baha’i Faith than you have been alive on the planet! This is probably true of many people on this forum. You come across as someone strangely lost in time who seems to have no context as to what has gone before you. I looked into my father’s eyes and saw something of what World War II was like. I have had a lifetime to think about what I have seen in the eyes of many people and what it has told me of their soul’s journey. You do not seem to have developed that yet. But perhaps you will. My observation has been that all people of the Persian gene pool are born incredibly naturally self centered and arrogant. It must be the karma of being of the first top down world empire of human slaughter and that karma is still within one’s ethnic DNA. That is the thing that seems to really annoy people in your posts. But you are a true believer so you should be very happy. People like you own the Baha’i Faith now. It is yours for keeps. There is no place for people like myself or EP in the amazing group think Comintern Politburo Faith. The Institutions of the Faith at every level are going to be nine versions of you! So you should be happy. You will have a long run ahead of you and you are a Pharaoh of all you survey. I truly do wish you well. You own the Faith. It is yours hands down.

It took me some time to understand EP’s anguish from our interaction in other forums. I now have a profound and deep respect for him. I think the Integralist system of thought is one of the most useful systems of insight into the evolution of human consciousness that certainly is taking place across the planet. I think at one time EP loved the ideas of the Baha’i Faith as much or even more than anyone here.

I, like EP, no longer believe the Baha’i Faith is a player in this evolution of human consciousness. It certainly could have been. But it was all murdered by incredibly thoughtless and incredibly talentless people. The Baha’i Faith at this moment in time is a criminal organization. That could change and I honestly think at some point it will change over the next 300-500 years. But at the present time it is even less than a zero sum game. Many people have had to leave it to save their mental health. That is the bottom line. And I think both you and even everyone running the AO in their limitless lifetime incumbency has to respect that. Every soul has the right not to be destroyed by other people and their organization.

I wish you well. I thank you for your discourse. But I just do not see the Baha’i Faith as being a factor in anything now. It is just too dysfunctional. The cognitive dissonance has reached critical mass. From what I learned when I worked for DDI as I said, when the disconnects become too massive in an organization a point of no return is reached and organizational death is inevitable and even necessary. The Baha’i Faith does not want people who can think for themselves in any way. Such people will always eventually be identified, denounced, and hounded out of the Faith. If you have any ideas outside of the top down group think you are the enemy of God in the current hyper group think. I do not think any organization in that mindset can survive. It is a mindset in direct Cosmic opposition to the individual spiritual Cosmic empowerment of the New World Age Cycle. Such an organization cannot mobilize and sustain the human energies that originate from the individual human soul and the powers of the individual God given human consciousness. That is how I see it based upon my observations in life.

I myself will tone down my discourse with you here in the future. I will be friendly and more compassionate. You are 25 years old. You are also of the unfortunate genetic disabilities of Persian heritage. It was, after all, the nation that invented crucifixion as a means of top down state execution. Indeed, there is some heavy karma there. If you work on your hotheadedness, I’ll work on my rapier keyboard. Maybe EP can work on his brilliant “sharp tongue” as you call it.

You think the Baha’i Faith is going to be successful. I say it is a planetary electorate of people dumber than a bag of depleted uranium hammers that has elected a tiny clique of lifetime incumbent people dumber than a bag of depleted uranium hammers to lead itself. To me it is one of the great tragedies of human history and most certainly one of the great tragedies of the 20th century. But maybe the 21st century will see a sea change of some kind? Especially if some kind of system of fierce grass roots accountability emerges. The Internet certainly holds that potential for suddenly developing at any minute of every hour for the next 1,000 years.

We’ll see who history proves right. I will be dead before you. So you will have to make the call for both of us.

Again, I do appreciate your effort in writing your long post in answer to my post and I honor that. Thank you.

Now that was thought provoking dialog. I am a former Bahà’í (Certified un-enrolled) going on 5 months now after 14 active years. WHOOOOOO HOOOOO boy have these 5 months been quite the ride. I initially didn’t think I could really walk away from the whole self brainwashing so embedded in my heart and thinking processes, but alas I have!!! BTGOG! In fact it was here in these Bahairants.com pages I viewed an article on the “Bahà’í’s in my Backyard” a real must see perspective of how other religions view the Bahà’í Center in the area of the BWC, where I have found my new spiritual direction, Judaism, the founders / authors of all main religions. Why not see what went wrong where it started?

I say let all the people in the world use what ever word they want to describe their religious beliefs. The Bahà’í religion is doomed anyway you look at it along will all “organized” religions.

It is with such great empathy I weep for the followers of organized religions who think they are building a better world but instead more ornate palaces via the sacrifices of the slaves they own by their hearts, willing offered in a search and suggestive nearness to God. Heck Ep, they are about to glamorize martyrdom via the story of a young girl. How low can they go?

Anyways… Baquia’s open mindedness and willingness to allow all opinions to participate has been a really pleasant change in exchanges with Bahà’í’s.

Your sister, daughter of Lilith, regaurdless of your spiritual title..

Bird out of the Cage

You keep making assumptions with that sharp tongue of yours. You assume that I do not see some of the mistakes that have been made, you assume that I am oblivious to what *actually* goes on. Well I guess I am a realist and I will admit, I am an optimist. You are putting words in my mouth by assuming I deny the issues present in all human endeavors and interactions. Of course their are issues and problems when people are involved, but when they work together they are better off when they go at it alone…Its that simple. You have dismissed the teachings of the Baha’i faith as fanciful, that’s fine and your choice to make. But, what makes me answer you is your belligerent attempt at forcing your view on other people. Now, given, we all like to be right, but your view is really dark and gloomy…I would rather try to paint a prettier picture and work toward something bigger than my own view.

You also assume things about my education. Just because I do not like to regurgitate secular Wikipedia views composed by jaded opinions and un-cited accusations doesn’t make me unversed in the ways of the World. Indeed, something are helpful that the Baha’is as individuals can use to promote the message of peace. But, based upon the few views that discount the message and model of the Baha’i method you happily cling to them to support your destructive opinion. Frankly, your attitude stinks. I appreciate and welcome dialog and criticism in a constructive way, but you would think that after 30yrs of anything, this would have been learned by anyone. Sadly this is not the case…We see people pissed off at the World and there are just too many factors in play to assume its the World that has to change. We must be the change we want to see in the World and I am confident when I say I would rather take the high road of hard work and good thoughts, then the low road of negativity and self pity.

If you want to take it up a notch and stop the dueling, we can talk like normal people…politely and put forward evidence and observation free from emotion and opinion grounded in the fact that we are both not know-it-alls who have all the answers. What do you say?

I went back and read your entire boring and predictable response to Craig. It is full of the same platitudes I heard for 30 years that are childlike , utopian fantasies and myths about the “purity” of the faith and its leaders.

UTTER DRIVEL.

DESIGNED TO COVER UP CORRUPTION AND INCOMPETENCE.

ONLY A STOOGE OR DUPE WOULD BELIVE SUCH MANURE.

I understand that you are incapable of comprehending anything that is nonconformist, and as a result have to resort to lies, distortions, insults and character attacks when faced with information that invalidates what you believe.

You have a moderately intelligent, firm, conformist, orthodox grasp of what passes for bahai thought. In other words, the fairy-tale, kool-aid, what have you, version of bahai. Utterly lacking in an understanding of how real human beings operate.

I did come to an understanding of “bahai concepts at their core”, and it became obvious to me that they do not work, and are stupid.

You do not understand any of that because you were apparently brainwashed growing up in a bahai family, and have not seen the predictable pattern of dysfunctional, abusive behavior that exists behind the scenes at various levels in bahai organization and culture. You have rose-colored glasses on.

The myths and dysfunctional stuff in bahai culture are “anti-patterns”, and as such, will always end up accomplishing the exact opposite of what they intended on the surface level.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-pattern#Organizational_anti-patterns

What happens with people over time when faced with dysfunctional aspects of bahai organization is usually one of three things:

1) deniers: they learn to ignore the lies, deception, abuse because of family and peer pressure. no one wants to be the person that farts in church during a quiet moment and cause everyone to squirm about the truth. the worst version of this is the fundamentalist, a spreading thing in the bahai community apparently. the worst fundamentalists are usualy in the following category.

2) sociopaths: they are clever and learn how to play into the myths in order to get into power and live out their tendencies to become control-freaks. their stock-in-trade is manipulating the weak with honey-tongued lies and deception. they attack anyone that tells the truth. they use hate and try to destroy critics by projecting their own hate onto the critics.

3) drifter: the rest of the people usually just drift away and become uninvolved.

There is of course a fourth very small group: the skeptics, rebels, discontents, dissidents, nonconformists, etc.

You state that you are a student of political theory/philosophy, but it is not apparent that you have studied organizational theory or consciousness theory, AT ALL.

It is not apparent that you know ANYTHING about the history of dissent in the bahai community for the last 30-50 years.

You DEMAND that others provide “evidence” for their views, but spout vast quantities of completely unverifiable bahai myth and insist that anyone that does not agree with such myth “never learned core baahi belief”.

Your arrogance is as appalling as is your hypocrisy.

Your tactics follow the obvious pattern used by bahai polemicists against critics:

1) ignore specific questions or information that is inconvenient to your position,
2) insult people,
3) bait them into getting p*ssed off, then
4) accuse them of being morally inferior for getting mad at your for being an *sshole, finally:
5) state that your opponent’s supposed moral inferiority “proves” that you are right about silly bahai myths.

Regards,
Eric P.
(ex-bahai, after 30+ years)
Sacramento

Sorry EP still don’t see what you are talking about. What I do see is a common characteristic among dissidents is their pure bitterness and hatred. In your 30yrs it is clear you really never ever grasped the concepts of the Baha’i Faith at their core. You are better off though, and that’s ok. Trust me, I don’t hate anyone nor anyone’s point of view, I do however have a right to voice my view and when I see or read something I disagree with you’re darn tootin I will call it out….hmmm…just like you are doing. I haven’t stooped to slandering, at least I try not to, but you keep using words that are out of context and inappropriate, not in a sense that they are abusive, but they simply don’t apply. You throw around fascism and thought police but you fail to see the truth in that all the administration that you so vehemently oppose simply attempts to maintain the UNITY that is central to the Baha’i belief system. I don’t expect you to understand, but what I want you to expect is that as long as there is one view, there will always be another…People like me will always be around…get used to it. The reason is this: although more than 98% of the Baha’i population doesn’t waste their time bickering with dense people like yourself on line, there will always be the few who feel it necessary to counter your groundless claims. Its actually quite fun for me. How easy it is to come back when all you bring is nasty and groundless allegations based off a distraught and trouble mind’s experience. I don’t not hold anything against you for doing this and the things you say have all been said before (see Ahmad Sohrab and Ibrahim Kheyirullah). It is part of your experience as a soul and the broken tools you use to judge the World. You think too much with Michael Moore (completely one-sided) type outlook and I can sense through your conversing that you pray little…OK…I’ll lay off…I feel I am treading into “none of my business” territory.

Let me just say one last thing, or I should say…ask. What do you believe now? Since you have left the Baha’i Faith what is your new belief system?

PS-Sorry if I made you angry.

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Let me just say one last thing, or I should say…ask. What do you believe now? Since you have left the Baha’i Faith what is your new belief system?

PS-Sorry if I made you angry.